Khayr Posted November 1, 2003 Salaamz, I just saw something on the news about some Anglican priests that are splitting from the church b/c the Anglican Church is Accepting Homosexuals and blessing homosexual marriages. A few decades back, this church permitted Female Priests/Ministers. The few priests that broke away from the Anglican Church are receiving hell for it b/c they are employed by it and risk to be socially cut off as well as financially broke. Allahu Akbir! I really respect people who stand up for the TRUTH even it means that it will damage their Dunya and make more enemies. Mashallah The Pope was trying to Unite the Church but b/c of the Anglican Church's acceptance of Homosexuality, this attempt at unification was hampered. There are parallels to this for a Muslim b/c this is about Truth and Evil and that is in all religions and can be seen inshallah through all of Allah's creations. Fi Amanallah Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Macalin Posted November 2, 2003 I really woudlnt give a hoot abt a GAY priest..... Anglican or no,they are a twisted LOT Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Khayr Posted November 2, 2003 Salaamz, Well I don't think that some people see what this means and how it can relate to them. Its basically the call of other Modernist within the Anglican Church trying to change Christanity to accept Gays and Gay Marriage b/c times have changed and God is "All Compassionate" and more Loving then Venegful or Harsh. I can see a day not too distant in the future when new generations of muslims who have been born and raised in the West, will make similiar arguments for gays and having Women Imams in the Masjids. There are Parallels and inshallah its good to spot them so thought we can combat them and give people the proper responses they deserve Diplomatically or Not. Fi Amanallah Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tony_Montana Posted November 13, 2003 Catholic bishops condemn same-sex unions - - - - - - - - - - - - By Rachel Zoll Nov. 12, 2003 | WASHINGTON (AP) -- America's Roman Catholic bishops overwhelmingly approved a statement Wednesday that urges states to withhold recognition for same-sex marriages. The bishops said they did not intend to offend homosexuals, and they called discrimination against gays unjust. But the church leaders said they had an obligation to "give witness to the whole moral truth" and reinforce Catholic teaching that gay sex is a sin. "Marriage is in crisis and will be further devalued and eroded unless we're strong in pointing out that same-sex unions are not the equivalent of marriage," said Bishop J. Kevin Boland of the Diocese of Savannah, Ga., who led a committee that drafted the statement. The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops in September gave its general support to amending the Constitution to define marriage as a union of a man and woman. Pope John Paul II also spoke out last summer against gay marriage. Today's Daypass sponsored by JFK: A Presidency Revealed Enter to win Cuervo Clásico Contest The prelates said they felt a need to make another public statement now -- as gay couples gain greater acceptance in society and seek the same benefits as heterosexual couples. Vermont allows civil unions between gays, and laws in California and Hawaii extend some economic benefits to same-sex couples. Two Canadian provinces recently legalized gay marriage. Last summer, gay rights groups scored a major victory when the Supreme Court struck down bans on gay sex. Last week, voters in Cleveland Heights, Ohio, approved a proposal allowing same-sex couples -- and also unmarried heterosexual couples -- to officially register as domestic partners. While courts will not have to recognize those couples, supporters hope the measure will make it easier for them to share some benefits. The bishops approved the statement by a vote of 234-3, with three abstentions. The prelates finished their work and decided to end their meeting Wednesday night, one day early. The interfaith gay advocacy group Soulforce said the statement was "confusing, harmful and spiritually violent." Said a group spokeswoman, Laura Montgomery Rutt: "When will the Catholic Church learn that this kind of spiritual violence leads to great pain, suffering and even death?" Bishop Wilton Gregory, president of the bishops conference, acknowledged that some may question how Catholic leaders can make statements on sexual morality following nearly two years of scandal over priests who molested children. But he said the church must speak out "in season and out of season. "Yes, the church is human, but she must run by the passion and the prophetic office given her by Christ," Gregory said. The document, called "Between Man and Woman: Questions and Answers About Marriage and Same-Sex Unions," defines marriage as a "lifelong union of a man and a woman." It states that approving a union of a same-gender couple "contradicts the nature of marriage." "It is not based on the natural complementarity of male and female. It cannot cooperate with God to create new life," the statement says. The document says authorizing same-sex marriage "would grant official public approval to homosexual activity and would treat it as if it were morally neutral." The bishops said it would be wrong to redefine marriage to provide benefits for gay couples. Homosexual couples can obtain benefits, such as designating each other as beneficiaries of their wills, without granting them special status, the bishops said. In a separate matter, the bishops directed a committee to draft a document aimed at teaching Catholics about the church's ban on artificial contraception. Surveys have found Catholics use artificial contraception at the same rate as non-Catholics. A committee of bishops also presented a document to be used in dioceses for certifying that a priest from outside the United States is suitable for ministry. The authors said conducting background checks on foreign-born priests was difficult, and the document would help ensure that sexually abusive clergy are not transferred between U.S. dioceses. About 16 percent of the nation's 46,000 priests are from other countries, the bishops said. The prelates also revised instructions for Sunday services in parishes that have no priest. The changes include language emphasizing that holding the celebration without a clergyman should not be the norm. About 3,000 of the 19,000 U.S. parishes do not have a resident priest, according to Georgetown University researchers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
N.O.R.F Posted November 13, 2003 This particular story made me think, but not about the issues they have but our issues as muslims. Do we have at least one recognised Imam world wide or even within a country, do we have a system of bringing masjids throughout our towns, cities, countries and worldwide together under one umbrella and integrating to form a strong ummah??? No we just insult eachother and are focused on bringing down our scholars instead of being geared towards establishing a common goal. Being to establish one recognised body which is representative of all muslims worldwide. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Modesty Posted November 23, 2003 Northener- Muslims aren't members of Masajids such that Christains are members of so and so church. We don't have priests telling us what to do, we are independent. P.S. Khayr I don't think that Islam(also Islam is more disciplined) will have the same issues as Chirstian churches b/c we have almost nothing in common in the way of life of Christians. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
N.O.R.F Posted November 24, 2003 Modesty, with all due respect, i think you have misinterpreted my point. My point being that we dont even know any RECOGNISED Imams on the world stage. No doubt we know of Imams and their work, but without a recognised Islamic body that represents ALL muslims worldwide, then we will not get anywhere. In your home town, do the asians work with the arabs? do the masjids promote unity with other mosques within yr city? at your local masjid do you hear about events held at others masjids? if so this will probably be limited. My point is if there is no confidence and guidance between us, then where are we heading? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Modesty Posted November 27, 2003 ohh okay then! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Khayr Posted November 28, 2003 Salaamz, North Star that avatar reminds of the other nomad 'Ayoub Shiekh', so its hard to imagine u otherwise. In anycase, the fact that we don't have one body of ulama that sits down together throughout the ummah is a BLESSING in disguise cause then it means that no body of people can have a monopoly of the Deen. No group of Ulama can fully know what the rasul (salallahu caliyhe wasalim) meant in his statement or truely understand ALLAH cause only ALLAH knows ALLAH. Now this problem that is happening with acceptance of homosexual bishops in the anglican church is a sad testimony to any religion b/c it is showing how the Shaytan can come in btwn people's love for ALLAH and the Divine Law and their Sentimental attachments to people and compassion. Fi Amanallah Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vanquish_V12 Posted December 10, 2003 just as they did with the original reformation christians will soon abandon some of their basic beliefs. p.s. did u know usary (interest) used to be banned in the christian world but thanx to calvanist, n their capitalist ideas, somehow urged a free market needs to grow on the backs of borrowers. nways enough said. i hope some of u know what am talkin about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gediid Posted December 10, 2003 Is this the Anglican forum mise SOL....... Just wondering what this debate will contribute to the NOMADS? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
