Islam, Democracy, Tribalism!!! which is the solution to ourproblems?

[Miskin]

Islam, Democracy, Tribalism!!! Which is the solution to our problems?

 

As Somalis we are born Muslims as well born tribal men and women, each Somali person you speak to will tell you how great his own tribe is. Take for example the tribe based self declared regions of Somaliland and puntland. Somalis talk about a democratic government based on tribal power sharing as the future to our problems, but this asks for the question “is Democracy compatible with tribalism and the vice-versa? Islam on the hand is certainly not compatible with democracy or tribalism.

 

Now I ask you my fellow Somalis which one of these do you see as the solution to our problems?

[sayfulaah-almasluul]

miskin it absolutely wrong qestion you are asked, simply because we all know what was main cause of somali destruction!! was it democracy!!! or islam!!! or triblism??? it is clear and ther is no confusion.get yourself up and try your best to revive islam in your country

[murefu]

allah knows that..we got tired for that..but one day i will be ok..i blv the main cause of our distruction is trablism..and it will never be end..i may call it "never end deseases"

[Haseena]

Our solution is Islam, and not the islam so many of us seem to claim- the islam people know by name one that've been mixed with culture. No we need pure islam, our faith is destined to lead those willing to be lead- if we want a political system- islam will provide, if we want economical system- islam will provide, if we want social system- islam will provide.

 

democracy is by name very good- but practically it never reaches its full potential.

 

Tribalism- will never work,

[Maxamed Caday]

Haseena is right. Pure Islam is the only answer. Allah is the best of planners. All else is destruction.

[biG mOm]

Now I ask you my fellow Somalis which one of these do you see as the solution to our problems?

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koran

wa

sunnah

[LixAfar iyo Nus]

democracy and islam are compatible. Where did u hear that the two are not compatible from. Qardaawi once said, "whoever says islam and democracy are not compatible neither understands islam nor islam."

[The Observer.]

hey all

well u see, the reallity of the matter is we can say islam is the solution, and we all know it, but then the question lies, will it be the islam from what allah(sw) has advised or again be a manifestation of wat the human potrays in their own benefits. which this brings in the issue of tribalism, tribalism is very misunderstood interms of power and humanity, and i think is one of the major causes of the world devestation, because it is a human psychological weakness that we have, and face, and unntil we learn to know wat is the difference of culture and religion is, then we can move forward, there is nothing like the truth from within, when u have power, and see your brother right beside you who has no credibilities or ways of knowing how to operate something etc, compared to someone who you don't know, from out there, and knows his thing, you will prefer your brother, and take that risk, of taking time and money to teach him, and so we all have that, and unless we learn how to actually lead and follow the right way of things, if it be islam, or the so called democracy

[codetalker]

For the pro-democracy people, I wonder why you choose to ignore the perils that this notion of 'democracy' has caused across the African continent. In search of this European ideal, African governments have ended up becoming even more corrupt than, let's say, governments who practice socialism. I think that the solution to the Somali problem is within us. We're a freedom loving people who uphold our kinship ties with blood. If these to criterion are protected, then the solution should come easy.

 

Islam is ALWAYS the solution. The question is: do we have the necessary Iman to follow the words of Allah and his prophet Mohamed (SCW)?

[lol]

Let me be controvertial and say " TRIBALISM". It is quite evident within the Somali society that nothing else will ever bond them but tribe. I am certain that if we have every tribe ruling his own people than peace and harmony will soon emerge. Majority of Somali people believe deeply in tribalism and its crap, and this disease has proven to be contagious. Even the youth seem to be posting questions such as, " What is ur qabiil? or Where r u from since now everyone has his own territory besides Mog?" If we breainwash all Somalis and then bring on Islam as way of life than only will we be able to eradicate this Ignorance that has saturated our homeland for more than decade now.

 

And this my two cents of course.

[LixAfar iyo Nus]

Hibo I thought I would never agree with you but you were very insightful in analyzing this century old enmity between the somalis. I guess the only way to attain peace in somalia is the clan division.............Bunch of ******* igrant ppl the somalis are.

[LANDER]

Interesting question you bring Miskin, and also a very complex question. What is the best path for Somali people? If there was an easy answer there wouldn’t be so many problems today. Islam however is the cure to all issues and can overcome any obstacles. However we must beware those who would like to use it as a means of manipulation to advance a political objective (i.e. Nationhood e.g.Somalia).

That being said, the question of Islam bringing together those who believe in this common faith is much broader then we would like it to be. Some Somalis argue for unity in the name of Islam, but what really is Islamic Unity? I would say it would have to encompass all the peoples that believe in this faith and not just the Somalis. Before the arrival of the prophet (pbuh) the arabs where nothing more then a feuding tribal nation very much like Somalis today, but Islam cured that problem. More importantly though, It went beyond arab unity but an Islamic unity formed of many different races. Good example would be of Bilaal the Abyssinian slave who was freed by the will of ALLAH through the arrival of Islam. Therefore Islam cured more than just tribal issues but all injustices plaguing any race. Case point of all of this being that if we are to come together as muslims, it should not be just the Somali nation coming together but a broader Islamic nation, with borders extending from Morroco to Malaysia and from Bosnia to Tanzania. It could be argued that Somalis coming together as an Islamic nation, would be a form of tribalism or “ethnicisme” if you will. Why differentiate Somali muslims from Pakistanis, Bosnians, Arabs etc…? Do we not all believe in the same God? Are we not equal in his eyes? Wouldn’t the true definition of an Islamic nation encompass all these believers?

 

The odd thing about philosophical discussions is that the more we answer questions, the more questions derive from that same answer. In other words, the more answers you get the more questions you have.

 

To answer your question, NO tribalisme is not the answer and I also don’t agree with your tribaliste characterization of Somaliland. However I believe STATEHOOD and those who can achieve statehood are heading in the right direction. That is the Short term answer to the Somali problems. Let us worry about Somali unity when the time is appropriate and even further in the future Islamic Unity in its due time inshallah.

 

As for Democracy and its compatibility with Islam, that is a discussion for another day……

[Blessed]

Lander,

 

Well said. That was bang on

 

We're a freedom loving people who uphold our kinship ties with blood. If these to criterion are protected, then the solution should come easy.

That is also true family. We are a tribal society, we need a system that is not going to supress Somalis tribal nature but one that will work for them. I would say Islam gives us that felexibilty, since it acknowledges differences and dictates justice regardless.

 

'Democracy' on the other hand, is open to interpretation and is the cause of Africas' problems. You only have to look at the actions of its advocates to see that it isn't really what it seems. However, in theory its basic principles are based on Islaimc fundamentals so I don't understand why we are even considering it over the Shariiyah :confused:

 

 

Somalia and many muslim states need an Islamic revolution. Otherwise as Lander pointed out, we will be going arround in circles trying to find answers to never ending questions. Man-made laws such as 'democracy' as we exprience it in this day only serve the needs of its creators. Industrial states like the west can make democracy work for them .. nomads may face some difficulties (perhaps).

 

We need a revolution. And you know that starts on a personal level ...... I could go on all day.. but I'll leave it at that

[Matkey]

asalaama alaykum my bros and sists

 

I couldn't have put it better than all of you |

 

As most of you stated, it is true that democracy in western context can never be compatible with our culture and religion. The system is intended to undermine religious and the cultural values. Today our worldviews are defined by these western notion that democracy is the only avenue to attain prosperity, workable political system and so on. they purport that islam is detrimental to human exitence. In contrast, Islam is the only way in which we can end all these atrocities, injustices, and corruption in our country.

 

As for the whole continent who are still in pursue of western lies and deception, we need complete disengagement from what they have been preaching to us for past forty or fifty years||

 

 

May Allah (SW) make us those who help one another.

 

wa alaykum salaam

[LANDER]

Ameenah,

Vey well put.

I couldn't agree more with you sis. Specially your mentioning of democracy being compatible with Islamic law.