(Unsubstantiated) Disgraced Minister Beyle embezzled $193 Million

[Dhagax-Tuur]

This is theatrical and witch-hunt.  I can't believe that some are falling for this show of humiliation.  Dr. Beyle has more education and experience than all the thugs trying to tarnish his reputation.  Not mention,  genuine Somalinimo to change things for the better.  

 

This is BS. Most of the so called parliament can't read single paper and understand let alone do proper analysis.  

To them, budget content would be,  mad madoobe Allaa ku yaqaan 

[Arafaat]

Irrelevant of someone’s good personality and hard work, there needs to be accountability and So let there be a debate, after all figures don’t lie. And if Somali’s are so biased and question each others judgement, they can always hire a external international accountant to do an audit. 
 

p.s. Similar cases have happened in the region before with outgoing officials reporting loans at the last moment before handover without proper justification on the appropriation of the funds, and without those loans having been part of the budget putting a burden on future expenditure. It’s corruption outside of the budgets, which are only discovered during handover. Hence why most Somali laws and regulations state that institutions are not allowed to incur any debt beyond a year, so that repayment is done within the term and responsibility of the official incurring the debt. 

[Qurac&qansax]

waxyaabaha lagala soo baxi karo

1. deen baa la qaatay aan parliman la soo marin. Parlimen waa jiray, looma geen, hadaan idiin keenaynaa markii lacagtii laada isticmaalay. Dowladii NN waxay noqotay dowladii ugu horeeysay oo deen qaadata
2. hadii aan lacagtii deenta la heli laheen, meeshaan ma joogi laheen. NN waxay wax ku kala waday deen, ee maamul fiicni ma aheen.
3.Accounkii waxaa kijira $14M (deentii ka hartay) +$1M. Accoun buuxa ma jiro.
4.socdaalka, oo wax lagu cuno.

 

Bayle waa la isticmaalay, and haduu sharaf leeyahay, sidii Gabadhii buu uga carari lahaa farmaajo, ee wax uu ku joogaa la tusay, and he is now paying the price.

 

9 hours ago, galbeedi said:

Yet, I reject the idea that these guys are acting as members of a functioning parliament. If they were serious about accountability they would have called Bayle and question him.

 

galbeedi this is a new parliment. They have noting to do the old one. So far, they are doing the right thing. 

9 hours ago, galbeedi said:

Furthermore, there was no parliament or any institutions running for the last two years. The 2019 December budget was no where to be seen because there was the election Xadhigjiid, Xaalimo Yarey, Galmudug and other issues. The 2020 December one was out of the window since Khayre was gone and Rooble was busy traveling around the world to build the opposition of Farmaajo, and forget about December 2021 budget, because the country was in a mess. Why in the world would you debate a budget when the calendar year is left only six months

 

There was a parliment. It was corrupted by your dear leader Farmaajo. Yes, even if there was 2 months left, still has to do their job and debated.

 

9 hours ago, galbeedi said:

Actually the Deloitte guys had certified the financial management of the government last year.  One thing we are overlooking is that there are well paid  financial management team that supposed to detect any theft

i dont think so. The truth will come out. Warkii jira cakaaruu imaan. That is NN fantacy. Auditing baa la sameeyay and so on.

9 hours ago, galbeedi said:

Xaaji Bayle owned that property since 2011

There is no evidence. 

5 hours ago, Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar said:

Maakhir, this ministry has a modern, updated website that lists all the budgets of the last five years; revenues as well as expenditures are all there. Just google it. Sheekadaan beenta ah oo wasiirkaan lagu magacdilo la rabo ha iska aaminin

where is the webpage. give us the link.

5 hours ago, galbeedi said:

Maakhiri1, those who are part of the financial management will tell you it is difficult to steal money from the finance ministry, but the gulf money with bags are another case

That is not true. I know at first hand how easy is to still in there. They made it easy, because they all want to still.

[Qurac&qansax]

5 hours ago, Dhagax-Tuur said:

Dr. Beyle has more education and experience than all the thugs trying to tarnish his reputation.  Not

this is nothing to do his education. He is publick figure and need to be accountable his action.

5 hours ago, Dhagax-Tuur said:

This is BS. Most of the so called parliament can't read single paper and understand let alone do proper analysis.

may be true. It has nothing to do. They doing their job.

57 minutes ago, Arafaat said:

Hence why most Somali laws and regulations state that institutions are not allowed to incur any debt beyond a year, so that repayment is done within the term and responsibility of the official incurring the debt. 

exactly.

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

1 hour ago, Qurac&qansax said:

where is the webpage. give us the link.

You are slowly coming out to be an ardent member of MBB. Iscadee oo waxba ha war wareegsan. Anyway, here is the official website oo daqligii shantii sano ka heleysaa.

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

15 hours ago, Shurwac said:

MMA not sure why you would let this defaming thread stand against wasir Beyle's name.

HAG Anarchists & SNM secessionists can't bring a single piece of evidence, yet you provide them a platform...

Shirwac, I put on there a caveat, which is unsubstantiated, aka fake news. We all know this is a real fake news.

[galbeedi]

Look guys , donor budget support has ceased once the election was triggered. Also Covid 19 reduced revenue all over the world. The so called IMF debt of support was discussed by Bayle before many times, I will find the clip. Nations throughout the world had revenue shortages due to Covid. No IMF or World Bank would allow loans to Somalia at this stage, but this was an extraordinary time around the globe. Imagine if Bayle said like the HSM government that he owes $60 million from the local oligarchs without a trace. This loan entered the treasury and doesn't even mature for decades to come.

I support accountability and justifying every government financial activity, but I reject this idea of a parliament being ignored/ The parliament ceased to exist since April 2021 when their extension of two years for Farmaajo was rejected. Everyone said their time was expired and they don't have any authority to legislate. There was no parliament to discuss money matter, security or even elections.

Why you guys are ignoring that we didn't even had a functioning government since April 2021. THeir was a power struggle between Rooble and Farmaajo, and many people like the chief of police, army and even Bayle has to walk a fine line.

 Let us find if there was any misappropriation from the ministry but you can't debate a legally approved loan at this stage.

[Qurac&qansax]

1 hour ago, Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar said:

You are slowly coming out to be an ardent member of MBB. Iscadee oo waxba ha war wareegsan. Anyway, here is the official website oo daqligii shantii sano ka heleysaa.

MMA, i am not who you think. 

i dont support HSM, or Farmaajo, or shariif, or yeey, or Qaasim, or Mahdi, or Caydiid, or Siyaad, or infact any leader somalia soomaray.

They were all corrupted, and don't deserve to lead.

 

Webpagekaan aad soo galisay, adigaa garanayee meeshuu ku jira daqligii shantii sano, ee farta ku fiiq. Anigu ku ma arag, adigu ka soo dhex saar.

[Arafaat]

26 minutes ago, galbeedi said:

Look guys , donor budget support has ceased once the election was triggered. Also Covid 19 reduced revenue all over the world. The so called IMF debt of support was discussed by Bayle before many times, I will find the clip. Nations throughout the world had revenue shortages due to Covid. No IMF or World Bank would allow loans to Somalia at this stage, but this was an extraordinary time around the globe. Imagine if Bayle said like the HSM government that he owes $60 million from the local oligarchs without a trace. This loan entered the treasury and doesn't even mature for decades to come.

I support accountability and justifying every government financial activity, but I reject this idea of a parliament being ignored/ The parliament ceased to exist since April 2021 when their extension of two years for Farmaajo was rejected. Everyone said their time was expired and they don't have any authority to legislate. There was no parliament to discuss money matter, security or even elections.

Why you guys are ignoring that we didn't even had a functioning government since April 2021. THeir was a power struggle between Rooble and Farmaajo, and many people like the chief of police, army and even Bayle has to walk a fine line.

 Let us find if there was any misappropriation from the ministry but you can't debate a legally approved loan at this stage.

Then present the to the new Parliament all financial reports expenditures from the last years and let them audit and ask questions. 

you can’t enter loans with a maturity for longer then a year and it has to be settled by the official incurring the loan. This is Somalia, once that door is open then expect any Somali officials to go a loan spree. 

[Qurac&qansax]

in  gudoonkii hore asi laftarkiisa wax laga weydiiyo iyo sabatii eesan barlamanka in ay ansaxiyaan ay u diideen hadii ay jiro warka wasiirka...

Accountability is always good, let's not turn this into witch hunt against Bayle, but Khayre and Rooble should also be questioned, they were his boss.

it is the first time, since the civil war, the parliment is talking about Accountability so it is good. Not sure, if it is going to continue!!!!!

[Arafaat]

1 hour ago, Qurac&qansax said:

in  gudoonkii hore asi laftarkiisa wax laga weydiiyo iyo sabatii eesan barlamanka in ay ansaxiyaan ay u diideen hadii ay jiro warka wasiirka...

Accountability is always good, let's not turn this into witch hunt against Bayle, but Khayre and Rooble should also be questioned, they were his boss.

it is the first time, since the civil war, the parliment is talking about Accountability so it is good. Not sure, if it is going to continue!!!!!

Good suggestion Parliament holding a public hearings on the issue, based on facts, figures  and questioning. 

[Dhagax-Tuur]

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14 minutes ago, Arafaat said:

public hearings on the issue, based on facts, figures  and questioning.

This is intimidation and politically motivated show instigated by the militia. 

 

This kind of shyt-show carries on,  there will be no effing FG. 

[Arafaat]

57 minutes ago, Dhagax-Tuur said:

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This is intimidation and politically motivated show instigated by the militia. 

This kind of shyt-show carries on,  there will be no effing FG. 

Sxb, the issue is bigger than then the tit for tat political games between militia and NN.P.S. And Nobody (wether Beyle, Farmaajo, Roble, Kheyre, HSM, etc) has so far being found guilty of embezzlement, but the country is merely in dire need of financial accountability from those officials that are responsible for public resources. Is that to much to ask? 

This is the first time ever in the history of Somalia that a Parliament has called for financial accountability.

As public and concerned citizens, we have two choices here, 1) either we support that call and start a new trend making sure that administration and officials are called to be accountable, not only now but in all future cases; or 2) we defend those that are called to be accountable and let this slide. And then we will go, from dozens of millions yesterday (30 jir 30mln) being unaccounted for by previous administrations, to hundreds of million today being unquestioned and I promise you we will be talking about billion of dollars being embezzled in a few years by the next government.

No matter which official is at the helm, we need to have financial accountability. And if we don’t support now this Parliaments call for accountability then when will get it? My fear is that the new government will try to sweep this under the rug, so they will also have a cart blanche to do whatever, and in a few years you and others like MMA here will be crying that billions have been stolen by HSM. The choice is simple either we will have accountability or we won’t have it, no matter the personalities at the helm, no matter the political fights and no matter the amounts. 

Make sure to choose wisely between those two choices, cause we will be coming back to this thread in future cases and know where everyone stood at the moments that counted where there was an opportunity in breaking the vicious cycle. 
 

 

[sheekeeye59]

Corruption happens in every country around the globe.  Somali inhabited lands are no different.  Let's hope Bayle sets a good example for the next generations and tell us the truth about this unforgivable stealing from the public by previous government. 

[Dalmar1]