Calan Saarkii June 26 1960

[Qurac&qansax]

4 hours ago, galbeedi said:

Anyway, the issue isn’t where it might have originated, but what was intended and what it represented which was Pan Somalism of our fathers and grandfathers. While that dream of Shanta Soomaliyeed isn’t there anymore, the deep connection is still there

 

I 100% agree with Galbeedi. The flag is fine, don't destroy the only symbol that left of what was know as Somalia.

8 hours ago, baala xoofto said:

Of course we can always come up with stories like the Somalia Star is representing 5 Somali Regions. That is just Sheeko Somaliyeed.

You can dismiss as you like, but that is what inspired Mr Awaale of choosing the5 star, that is his own words.

 

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

9 hours ago, galbeedi said:

mohamed Awaale not only designed the flag, but also  put the hopes and the dreams of future united Somali regions under four colonial powers.

The Italian star has Lix geesood, while the Somali one has five which according to Mr. Cawaale represent the the five regions ( British Somaliland, Italian Somaliland, French Somaliland, NFD and Somali Galbeed.

The great composer Abdilahi Qarshe said, : 

Qolobaa calankeedu waa cayno

Inagana kenu waa cirkoo ka le e.

There is no where in the world where the sky is clear blue than the Somali home.

One main reasons the modern Landers are questioning or trying to defame the flag is because it was the flag raised in Hargeisa in June 26 1990 in Beerta Xoriyada.

If Somaliland was a deferent country, they would have raised another flag, but to the Somalis of that era, it was Somali nomads living under defferent colonial zones which had only a nominal boundary. there was no border between Garoowe and Laascaanood that would stop the nomads or people, it was only in the minds and books of the colonial powers dividing. 

When someone got sick of unknown decease or in bad mood people used to say;

Waar way bugtaaye bandhiga xoriyada geeya.

People used to go to the Beerta Xoriyada and forget their anxiety. That was how popular it was.

Yet, we see these new kids telling us history of Somalia started in in 1991.

Here , the great Ustaad Ahmed Naaji

 

 

 

Fadlan don't entertain the bitter and hapless secessionists, kaliya u soo taagan Soomaalida inay u jiidaan and against astaan walba midnimada Soomaaliya iyo Soomaalida u taagan.

Here is a part of an interview my old man gave to Kasmo magazine in 2000. Kasmo London ayaa lagu daabici jiray.

Meesha calanka ka yimid iyo qofka rayiga lahaa ayuu ka hadlaayaa:

Kasmo: Bishii Abriil sanadkii 1957dii waxaa Muqdisho lagu dilay Kamaaluddin Salaax oo Masar u joogay Soomaaliya. Haddaba dilkaasi maxaad kala socotaa?

Sh. Mukhtaar: Kamaaluddiin waxaa dilay nin la yiraahdo Wiiloow oo Reer Luuq ahaa, aabihiisna waxaa la dhihi jiray Sheekh C/raxmaan Dheere. Ninkaasi wuxuu ahaa dadkii loo qaaday Masar. Xaaji Maxamed Xuseenkii Leegada madaxda ka ahaa iyo isaga dadkii kowda hore ee tacliinta loogu qaaday Masar ayay ahaayeen. Akhlaaq-xumaa loo soo eryay oo Soomaaliya lagu soo noqay. Waxaa laga sheegay ninkaas ka hor inuu yiri, ‘Alleylehe nin Masar ah markii aan dilo unbaan aarsanaayaa sidii ay ii galeen.'

Marka Kamaaludiin la dilayo, anigu Xamar baan ka baxay oo waxaan ku sii socday Xuddur oo la ii beddelay, waxaana habeen barinay Maanyafuulka, habeenkii dambe meel Seenilow la yiraahdo ayaa baabuurkii nooga hallaabay.

Subaxdii shufeerkii (wadihii) iyo niman hunguri noo soo doonay oo beledka (Baydhabo) ku soo noqday ayaa na yiraahdeen, 'Waa la dilay Kamaaluddiin!'

Runtii Kamaaluddiin dilkiisa Talyaani ayaa ku lug lahaa. Niman Soomaali ah oo Talyaaniga taagersanaana waa ku jireen. Kamaaluddiin gurigiisa ayuu isugu yeeray Golihii (Councilia Teritoriale) oo Talyaanigii suubiyay oo Aadan Cabdulle Cusmaan madax ka ahaa iyo nimankii axsaabta madaxda ka ahaa dhamaantood wixii pro-Italian ahaa iyo wixii ka soo horjeeday ee dawladnimo dalbaayay ayuu isugu yeeray gurigiisa, wuxuuna ku yiri:

"Soomaalida waa shacbi isticmaar dilay oo niyadda ka dhintay waaye. Toban sano ka bacdi xor baad noqoneysaan ayaa la leeyahay, dhegna uma dhigaysaan! Waxaad yeeshaan calankiinii ha la suubiyo, oo tan Talyaani ha la baal suro. Haddii calankii Soomaaliya la yiraahdo oo ay arkaan inay rumeystaan ayaa la arkaaye, calan suubista."

Ra’yigaas isagaa keenay (Counciliyadii) ayaa ra’yigii la keenay, waana laga dooday, waana lagu heshiin waayay. Xisbi kasta calan ayuu lahaa. Calankiisii in laga dhigo ayay damceen. Leegada ayaa ugu rooneyde oo shan xiddigey lahayde oo shan Soomaali lagu ishaaraayo. Waa diideen. Nin aan maqlay waa sariir-fuul oo Kanada jooga, Maxamed Cawaale Liibaan la yiraahdo oo Golaha ku jiray ayaa gurigiisa intuu tegay soo hindisay calankaan midabkaan leh, xiddigta shanta gees leh. Saakay oo kale ayuu soo fariistay, hadal buu soo jeediyay, wuxuu yiri, ‘Waa tii aan ku heshiin waynay calankii. Ka warrama calan hadda ka hor aan la arkin, xisbi suubsadayna aan la arkin, haddaan bandiirad (calan) ka dhiganno maxaad ka qabtaan?’

‘Waa fiican tahay,’ ayaa la yiri. Jeebkiisuu ka soo bixiyay, sidaas ayuu u taagay, sacabaa lagu taageeray. Intaas iyo wax la mid ah iyo ka badan ayuu Kamaaluddiin suubinaayay. Waxa Talyaaniga kula colloobay taas ayey ahayd, nimankaan dilayna Talyaani ayaa soo diray.

Kasmo: Wax ma nooga sheegi kartaa Soomaalidii Talyaaniga taageersaneyd ee dilka Kamaaluddiin ku lug lahayd?.

Sh. Mukhtaar: Aniga hebel iyo hebel ma dhihi karo, qabiillo badan ayey lahaayeen

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

We will have, seven decades after Kamaaludiin's observation, those same Soomaalis who are, "Shacbi isticmaar dilay oo niyadda ka dhintay."

They are in this very thread. 

[galbeedi]

One thing BB doesn't know or ignores is that we, the Northern Somalis, were the real pioneers of Pan Somalism project and all the folklore, literature and songs that define Somalinimo.

It was C/laahi Qarshe, Cali Sugule, Hassan Sheikh Muumin and others who composed anything national that is ingrained in our minds. 

" Aan maalno hasheena maandeeq was by C/laahi qarshe.

Here is C/laahi Qaeshe in one of his legendary songs about freedom in the African continent.

 

[Che -Guevara]

10 minutes ago, galbeedi said:

One thing BB doesn't know or ignores is that we, the Northern Somalis, were the real pioneers of Pan Somalism project and all the folklore, literature and songs that define Somalinimo.

It was C/laahi Qarshe, Cali Sugule, Hassan Sheikh Muumin and others who composed anything national that is ingrained in our minds. 

" Aan maalno hasheena maandeeq was by C/laahi qarshe.

Here is C/laahi Qaeshe in one of his legendary songs about freedom in the African continent.

 

Galbeedi,

Not too long secessionists were coming down hard on Ahmed Samatar whe he suggested they should celebrate June 26. Don't pay any attention. The secessionists will write any narrative to justify their delusions. Soon they will say baluuga never ascended in Hargeisa when Union Jack came down on that historic night. I wouldn't surprised if they try to retouch the video of the Somali flag being raised in Hargeisa.

In the meantime, enjoy 

 

[baala xoofto]

4 hours ago, galbeedi said:

One thing BB doesn't know or ignores is that we, the Northern Somalis, were the real pioneers of Pan Somalism project and all the folklore, literature and songs that define Somalinimo.

It was C/laahi Qarshe, Cali Sugule, Hassan Sheikh Muumin and others who composed anything national that is ingrained in our minds. 

" Aan maalno hasheena maandeeq was by C/laahi qarshe.

Here is C/laahi Qaeshe in one of his legendary songs about freedom in the African continent.

 

Two very different topics here. We are talking about here the Somalia Flag as a Flag and its origins. Not the Somaliweyn idea.

Yes, Somaliland people were the vanguards of this idea and implanted it into the psych of every Somali using their poetry and songs. But that is beyond the argument here.

Remove the emotional attachment and you will find the Somalia Flag is nothing more than a continuation of the colonial symbols. 

For Somaliland, that flag, all it represents, all its history and all its colonial connections - is really beyond us. We have moved on from it. But those who are still flying this flag, there will be a time when generations down the track you will have face your demons and call a spade a spade. 

[baala xoofto]

18 hours ago, galbeedi said:

If Somaliland was a deferent country, they would have raised another flag, but to the Somalis of that era, it was Somali nomads living under defferent colonial zones which had only a nominal boundary. there was no border between Garoowe and Laascaanood that would stop the nomads or people, it was only in the minds and books of the colonial powers dividing. 

Somaliland already had its own "British Somaliland" flag, very much similar to all other British dominions and protectorates around the world. There was nothing stopping it from continuing its use after Independence on 26th June 1960, if it so decided to choose. 

The only reason why Somalia Flag was raised is due to the agreements reached months earlier in the formation of a United Somali Republic which comprises of the Somaliland British Protectorate and Italian Somalia. 

Somaliland had its own Prime Minister, Its own Parliament, its own currency, its own passport, its own military and police force. 

In fact, Somalia didn't even have a Police Force. The First Police force was the British Somaliland Police force - which was transferred to Mogadishu including all its symbols etc. The Somalia Police Force symbols is the British Somaliland Police symbols. 

In 1960, Somalia's currency was so devalued, very much the same as what the Somalia Shillings is today, worthless. Which was why they opted to use Somaliland East African Shillings - only change the name "East Africa" to "Somali" shillings. 1 East African Shilling was 100% transferable to the new Somali Shillings 1=1. Whereas the Italian Peso currency was 1 Somali Shilling > 1000 Peso. 

The British Somaliland Governor's Flag (There is a Governor's flag for every entity around the globe where the British Monarchy has a Governor representing Queen Elizabeth.)

 

The British Somaliland Protectorate Flag:

[maakhiri1]

1 hour ago, baala xoofto said:

 

 

The British Somaliland Protectorate Flag:

This issue is very touchy and people are emotionally charged,  but after digging my own research,  the flag cawaale made , is definitely Somali flag, but he must be influenced by the Somalia Italia flag,

It is not two different countries having similar flag, imagine if SL, or  Somalia choose flag like above having union jack, , it is obvious , what it relates to.

Similarly,  the blue Somali flag has identical star,  and blue as Somali  Italian one, and shabeelka in national emblem 

The national emblem has cross + at top.

Many countries revisit their history,  India for example,  started renaming many cities. 

It is time to go back and find out truth, most of the members of those Somali leaders back then were not  very educated, very not sophisticated,  and some were forreign agents, like today. And MMA, your father,  AUN, mentioned in the interview. 

It is UN flag, that is complete BS, cover story,  and even 5 pan Somaia were later injected.

 

 

 

[baala xoofto]

14 minutes ago, maakhiri1 said:

but he must be influenced by the Somalia Italia flag

That is a valid argument. But one which many Somalians won't come to terms with. 

So the ultimate question that hangs over the Somalia Flag zealots, how original is it? Can it truely represent Somali ideals when it has been clearly influenced by Crusader ideology and colonial legacy? These are the tough questions that Somalia's people need to ask themselves.  

[galbeedi]

3 hours ago, maakhiri1 said:

Many countries revisit their history,  India for example,  started renaming many cities. 

Maakhiri1,

of course nations evolve through out their history, but the original idea and what it represents remain for generations to come. For example, the American flag was modified more than 20 times for the last 250 years.

While the stars represent the 50 states, the stripes stand for the 13 British colonies who declared the independence. Even more, when someone sees the flag of USA what comes to mind? freedom, power, wealth and the now fading American exceptionalism.

So, when we see the blue and the white star it represents Somalis every where. It is why president Mudtafe Cagjar put the blue and white star in the Soomali Galbeed flag. We might change few things, but the original idea stays. Imagine our young kids who had never seen an stable and well functioning Somali state in their adult lives, yet you could see that blue and star in their Backpacks, computers, collage dorms and their logos as a symbol of that world roaming nomad trying to find his place in this global world.

Keep the original idea.

[Arafaat]

Somalia (Southern part of former) can keep the and other national symbols, but in case one does find a way to form some sorts of a different and new kind of union and relations with somaliland (the former north) and perhaps some of the  other regions in the penisula, like , Somali region of , and Somali region of ,  it’s only logic to adopt new and shared symbols that symbolise the kind of collaboration and union between different Somali localities across borders, that you want to portray today. 

Keep in mind that Somalis today and the peninsula looks quit different from 70 years ago. With more divers forms and different kind of regional and local governance entities in place, each with its own flags, symbols and identities. And also  thinking beyond the original 5 regions, with emergence of Dire Dawa with its own regional admin, and Garissa, Mandera, Wadjir and Tana river having its own and distinct administration and thus symbols. 

And assuming that we want to portray we have learned and evolved as a Nation, and are today a different kind of Somali peoples. One that is more in peace with itself and its surrounding, one that is accepting of its distinctiveness and diverseness, a Nation whose solidarity and synthesis is not experienced as a threat but as a treasure by its surrounding world. 

p.s. not saying that potentially new symbols of the Somali nation can’t contain elements of the former, or that they would replace any of the existing national flags, but that flags and emblems are nothing more than symbols of whatever one is trying to project, brand or identify, nothing more.  

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

7 hours ago, maakhiri1 said:

This issue is very touchy and people are emotionally charged,  but after digging my own research,  the flag cawaale made , is definitely Somali flag, but he must be influenced by the Somalia Italia flag,

It is not two different countries having similar flag, imagine if SL, or  Somalia choose flag like above having union jack, , it is obvious , what it relates to.

Similarly,  the blue Somali flag has identical star,  and blue as Somali  Italian one, and shabeelka in national emblem 

The national emblem has cross + at top.

Many countries revisit their history,  India for example,  started renaming many cities. 

It is time to go back and find out truth, most of the members of those Somali leaders back then were not  very educated, very not sophisticated,  and some were forreign agents, like today. And MMA, your father,  AUN, mentioned in the interview. 

It is UN flag, that is complete BS, cover story,  and even 5 pan Somaia were later injected.

 

 

 

What is big deal calamo badan dunidaan ayaa isku eg. Kan Mareykanka, Malaysia iyo Liberia isku muuqaal ah. Kan Ireland iyo Ivory Coast waa saas. Faransiiska iyo Talyaaniga waa saas. Chad iyo Romania iyagana ha sheegin. Niger iyo Hindiya. Indonesia, Singapore iyo Monaco waa mid. Filibiin iyo Czech Republic. Costa Rico iyo Thailand. The whole former Yugoslavia countries. Scandinavian countries. Colombia iyo Ecuador. Many West African countries. Dito to many Carab countries...

Don't give credence the secessionist delusions. 

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

The blue flag now doesnt represent somaliweyn. Somalia somaliland jabuuti kilil5 or Kenyans north eastern   It now represents the five Mamuul gobbleed states pirate enclave. May may state hirshabele Galmudug and raskibaki . And the koonfurians are fine with it. They hardly claim the. The there country in Kenya Ethiopia jabuuti they pay lipservice only to somaliland and now they are getting tired of that to.  Meel aanay shaqo ku lahayn