Calan Saarkii June 26 1960

[galbeedi]

 

[Dalmar1]

 

[baala xoofto]

@Dalmar1

Italian Somalia colonial symbols:

 

Italian Libyan colonial symbols

Libya's flag under Italian colonial

Libya's emblem and other symbols under Italy

 

 

[baala xoofto]

@Dalmar1

Somalia's flag is a relic of Italian colonialism. 

[Qurac&qansax]

Libiya propably copied from us. There is no time stamp indicating it was before our flags.

 

Maxamed Cawaale liibaan, the farther of Somali flag deserve better. Reerka unuku baryahaan waxay ku mashquuleen in waxkasta  from Puntland ha la badalo, included calanka.

lets focus others. Calanku is fine.

[Qurac&qansax]

There is nothing to celebrate.

The constitution is torn down, the parliament and its speaker are corrupted, youth are fooled with empty patriotic words and fake news, rule of law is violated, nepotism is upheld, and polarization is fueled by bad leaders.

 

[maakhiri1]

Italian colony's influence on the flag and national emblem is without a doubt .

Waxbay noo hoos geliyeen. 

Beautiful flag anyways 

 

[baala xoofto]

1 hour ago, Qurac&qansax said:

Libiya propably copied from us. There is no time stamp indicating it was before our flags.

 

They are both designed & commissioned by the same colonial office in Italy.  

 

38 minutes ago, maakhiri1 said:

Italian colony's influence on the flag and national emblem is without a doubt .

Waxbay noo hoos geliyeen. 

Beautiful flag anyways 

  

We can always give the benefit of the doubt to the man that is said to have designed the Somalia flag. But the evidence presented before us say otherwise. The Somalia flag both in design and the version of blue is exact replica of the original Italian version. There is no originality at all. 

These colours and White Star are no by accident by the Italians. They have deep cultural and historical meaning. For instance, the version of the Blue Colour used by Somalia's Flag as well as Libya's colonial flag is called "Savoy Blue" or "Italian Azzure".  Savoy is a region in Italy with its Kings playing a key role in the "Christian Crusaders". According to their history, the "Savoy Blue" flag was always used when the Savoy Kings went on Crusader attacks against Muslims in Spain. 

To this day, the Italian Azzure is used when the Italians are playing Football or other international sports as a sign of "good luck"

As for the White Star, it is called 'Stella D'Italia'. It was being in use in Italy for thousands of years as a national symbol.

[Qurac&qansax]

what is the evidence.

 

UN flag is Blue. Did they copy from Italy too.

Tunisa and Turkish Flag almost the same. Do they copy each other.

 

how many country has their flag as three stipes of colors but different orders, or different orientation, do they copy each others.  What about Malaysia and US.  What about Australia and Newzealand. And so on

They are all happy and appreciate, except somali maryooleey. Halyeey geeda la hartooy. 

 

Things can look the same but different. 

 

[galbeedi]

mohamed Awaale not only designed the flag, but also  put the hopes and the dreams of future united Somali regions under four colonial powers.

The Italian star has Lix geesood, while the Somali one has five which according to Mr. Cawaale represent the the five regions ( British Somaliland, Italian Somaliland, French Somaliland, NFD and Somali Galbeed.

The great composer Abdilahi Qarshe said, : 

Qolobaa calankeedu waa cayno

Inagana kenu waa cirkoo ka le e.

There is no where in the world where the sky is clear blue than the Somali home.

One main reasons the modern Landers are questioning or trying to defame the flag is because it was the flag raised in Hargeisa in June 26 1990 in Beerta Xoriyada.

If Somaliland was a deferent country, they would have raised another flag, but to the Somalis of that era, it was Somali nomads living under defferent colonial zones which had only a nominal boundary. there was no border between Garoowe and Laascaanood that would stop the nomads or people, it was only in the minds and books of the colonial powers dividing. 

When someone got sick of unknown decease or in bad mood people used to say;

Waar way bugtaaye bandhiga xoriyada geeya.

People used to go to the Beerta Xoriyada and forget their anxiety. That was how popular it was.

Yet, we see these new kids telling us history of Somalia started in in 1991.

Here , the great Ustaad Ahmed Naaji

 

 

 

[baala xoofto]

1 hour ago, Qurac&qansax said:

what is the evidence.

 

UN flag is Blue. Did they copy from Italy too.

Tunisa and Turkish Flag almost the same. Do they copy each other.

 

how many country has their flag as three stipes of colors but different orders, or different orientation, do they copy each others.  What about Malaysia and US.  What about Australia and Newzealand. And so on

They are all happy and appreciate, except somali maryooleey. Halyeey geeda la hartooy. 

 

Things can look the same but different. 

 

Not all Blue colours are the same. Even in cars you see everyday on the streets, no two makers colours are exactly the same. For example, the Black Car from Toyota and Black car from BMW, the black colour are different shade or hue. The colour itself is patented and protected by law.  

The same way not all Blue colours are the same, the blue colour used by the Somalia Flag is the Italian Savoy-Blue which is exact colour used by its colonial symbols. 

As with other example of similar flags, yes these flags i.e. Arab colours or African colours are all versions of the original flag. For example, majority African colours  is based on the 3 colours of the Abyssinian/Ethiopia flag. Whereas the Arab colours are based on Egyptian colours.

The Somalia flag is direct descendant of its colonial masters.   

[baala xoofto]

25 minutes ago, galbeedi said:

The Italian star has Lix geesood, while the Somali one has five which according to Mr. Cawaale represent the the five regions ( British Somaliland, Italian Somaliland, French Somaliland, NFD and Somali Galbeed.

The Italian star "Stellone d'Italia" is 5 pointed White Star. As depicted in its colonial symbols for Somalia and Libya. 

Of course we can always come up with stories like the Somalia Star is representing 5 Somali Regions. That is just Sheeko Somaliyeed. 

A case in point, when the British introduced taxation in Somaliland, they came up with a numbering system which were given to the nomads. Each subclan was given a Letter of the Alphabet to mark their livestock for stocktaking purposes. So the Revenue office can tell how many livestock each subclan had for taxation purposes. 

Some clans recieved 'A', 'AA', etc all the way to "X' and Y and Z. 

The local nomads then gave each of these symbols their own Somali version. For example they named the "Y" as Barkin, as it was very similar to the Nomad Barkin (Click here for Somali Head rest). They called "X" as Kabaal. The called "C" as Mareeg. And so on and so forth.

The point here is, the locals will own it once you give to them and make it local. That doesn't mean the English Alphabet is locally invented or created.

 

[baala xoofto]

Here is the Somalised English Alphabet

"Alif, Barkin, Baxaro, Bil, Birqaab, Calan, Canjiid, Cawaag, Dacal, Dacarimo, Dakhar, Dhaad, Dharan, Dheg-dalool, Dheg-jeex, Dhud-baxar, Dildil, Far, Farxuunsho, Fiid , Fur, Gabal, Gadh, Galgaal, Galoolooyin, Ganaf, Garab wayn, Garoof gaane, Gawl, Godol, Goobo, Gorod, Gorof, Haneed, Hangool, Hareed, Hawaar, Heensaraar, Idan, Iskutallaab, Jiim, Kabaal, Kabaal jab, Laanqayr, Laba dhaad, Liin, Maqas, Marag, Marag godan, Marag jiifa, Marag taagan, Mareeg, Miim, Milow, Qalimmo (Qalin), Qalqale, Qanjagub, Sakamad, Saneeg, Shax, Shumme, Taraar, Toojad, Xariir, Xariiro , Xaynbooro."

Source: Magacyada sumadaha qaarkood

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Galbeedi the blue flag wasn’t just somalias flag It was just a pan Somali ethnic flag initially it was as much somaliland as Somalia or jabuuti of nfd and kilinka but the fact of the matter is these five lands belong to five different country and that is a fact 

[galbeedi]

Xaaji ,

you are correct it was a pan Somali flag. Whether one is Hargeisa or Djibouti or Jubba that was the symbol of Pan Somali colours.

BB , I don’t dispute that the original idea might have come from the Italian symbols and your reference of the “ Azuri” or the Italian blue is a logical. As a someone who lived in Italy,  I am aware for their “ gli Azuri”. 

Having said that every design usually originate somewhere before. If you look North Africa:, the Turkic speaking countries of Central Asia they have a modified flags with the crescent while the background is either blue, red or green. The Ottoman crescent was adopted by many Muslim nations. 
 

So, Mr. Awaale might have been inspired by that blue and then modify with the what star representing Shanta Soomaaliyeed. Usually a flag might be symbol and idea but after generations pass it becomes something ingrained in their DNA. I never paid attention to flag or what it represented until I came in North America and now we see our kids using batch of their  original homeland. 
 

The Somaliland tricolour flag is identical to the Ethiopian one and because of those who founded the movement were based in Saudi Arabia, they added the Shahada to gain support from the gulf and become the copy cats of the Afghan Mujahideen.

Anyway, the issue isn’t where it might have originated, but what was intended and what it represented which was Pan Somalism of our fathers and grandfathers. While that dream of Shanta Soomaliyeed isn’t there anymore, the deep connection is still there. 
 

And would like to advice tBB that don’t go that road of demonizing and giving the ownership of that Pan Somali symbol to any one group. 
we used even to have flag day back then.