Dhaqan Celis?

[Buubto]

 

Asalaamu Aleikum Wr Wb

Dhaqal celis is the best solution that the parents has for outrages teenagers. I know is bit cruel to leave ur own child in a land that isn’t safe & the prance don’t want to stay with them either. If the relatives that the child will stay with are responsible then I don’t see anything wrong with it, infact I support this method. No prance likes to abandon their kids, actually the prances who are doing this, r hurting inside & know this is the only solution fro their kid.

 

Let’s be realistic the kid were in danger in western world, learning drugs, homosexual, sleeping around & etc. so what is the difference one way or the other the kid were in danger. At least knowing he/she r in Somalia within their people & understanding their religion, makes difference. The only solution is to take them back to dugsi teachers so they could learn their religion & culture. Markii washamsi lagu qaado 911 wayaan iyaga ayaa dan u tosaayo.

 

The way I see it is, the prance are the ones that will be held accountable in the day of judgment for bringing their kids to western society, if the kid adopts the society & neglects his/her religion. So I understand where they coming from when they send them back. I have heard & seen teenagers who were so outrages when they were taken back after a year or 2 they were completely different person. So why doubt if u know at then there is positive outcome.

[-KIWI]

'DHAQAN CELIS'ummmm Nice terminology.

Personally i believe that dhaqal somaalinimo should start within the house the parents should

teach their children basic somali culture

and their roots..

It really depends of the type of children that are being send back,what specific ages are we talking about?

 

Teens should full have responsibilities of their actions ,they should be aware of the kind of society we are living in and so on...

[Armstrong]

Salaamz,

 

How do you define dhaqan celis? Do you mean Muslim or Somali culture or both?

 

Dhaqan celis can be beneficial from an Islamic point of view. For example, for one to attend madrasa and memorise the Quraan for the duration of the summer. Some people often go back for holiday, nothing wrong with this but why not also learn the diin whilst there, sacrifice 2 hours a day surely you shall be well rewarded for the efforts.

 

Certain members of my family go back and forth to the homeland and heard stories that people are not really better off than the west. They can do exactly same things as before mere change in environment aint gonna make much difference.

 

There this an old Mujahid saying 'You can take a faarax or xaliimo to the drinking fountain but you cannot force the faarax or xaliimo to drink'

 

As for me Alhamdulilah I am happy with my dhaqan Nevertheless, If the opportunity to visit my homeland knocks at the door, verily I shall pack the samsonite cases and leave for Terminal 2 - Heathrow Airport via Boeing-737 Emirates Airlines

 

Mujahid over and out !

[Honesita]

I'm planning to go to africa this summer, but not somalia.....last nite i suggested to my cousin that we go to somalia for 'dhaqan celis', he screamed at me sayin' what 'dhaqan celis, u mean xabad ha la igu dhufto'....!!!!

 

I'll tell ya what i thought was a horrible experiece.....i grew up in Dubai.....my 5th grade we moved to Syria.....that place was terrible....i cried night and day till we went back to dubai........i cant even imagine myself in Somalia....plus the images in my head r way too scary...!!!

 

Salaamz

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

Salaan...

 

Originally posted by Tamina:

If you couldn't raise your child how can you expect another to?

Tamina, sister, in Soomaaliya the society raised you. Everyone was your brother, sister, uncle, aunt, ayeeyo, etc. And you deeply had respect to your elders. And it was a must to do those little acts of kindness we consider as a good Samaritan in here West. In back home, those were acts of a must. Society dictates it so. Your neighbours are your guardians, advisers, and helpers in need of time.

 

So, it is not only a parent who raises a child. Consider to this story.

 

There was this well-known imaam in this U.S. city. He taught his child the best Islaamic manners a parent could teach and provide. Making the story short, the imaam lost his grown up son into Western ways. You name it. Piercing ears. Drinking. What went wrong, you ask. Still people are trying to figure it out. As you can see in this, howsoever you try to raise a child in this society, the negative pressure is greater than the positive one.

 

Most who are fed-up are moving with their children to these Carab countries, mostly Dubeey and Qaahira. Because Carabta is the only alternative society until Soomaaliya gets into its feet.

 

And may Allaah help us all be the best in Islaam and in our culture: Aamiin!

 

And dhaqan celis works because I had seen plenty of guys who went there and had changed; yes, some might turn to jaad, but still some changed. Some even married as young. :cool:

_________________

 

Soon Wanaagsan!!

[Nonchalant]

Dhaqan Celis?? Is that what they call it? I call it a far away daycare where parents dump the children they couldn't control. Taking someone against their free will to a country they know little about, family they have never met, and an enviornment unseen to them before is more like bad parenting then anything.

 

I myself have never been to Somalia and I'm not planning to go anytime soon. Growing up in daycare and being babysat by television while my parents were gone is the only culture I really know. It gets me really ticked when I hear folks say Somali children in the western world lost their culture etc. when we really didn't have a culture to begin with. Those of us that were born and raised out here only know this way of life. Our parents were never really around, and we befriended those who grew up with us. It really isn't our fault. So should we be penelized for being born and raised in the "wrong" place??

 

Dumping your children off to a place they know nothing of is just plain wrong. If and when they want to go to their country of origin, it should be their SOUL choice!

[Dhimbil]

Dhaqan celis sounds good, walahi some people i know are in great need of dhaqan celis ,lol

Seriously, i think this is good idea and the positive outweights the negative. But also i think a parent or older family member should leave with and stay with the Jr's there, just drop and leave is not going to work, because the kids would not understand the society and rebel to the culture.

 

if nothing else, the most usefull result that would come out of this is if the kids go to dugsi quran, that it self would be priceless experience

[Gediid]

Around a month ago I happen to be in store when 3 somali ladies walked in with a 7 year old girl.After greeting the 3 women I said Iska waran to the little girl and to my surprise she said fine in English.I looked at the women and asked them if the little girl spoke Somali markaas the mum was like "In yar wey fahantaa laakin kuma jawaabi karto"

Yet what I noticed was that the mum spoke little English markaas what went wrong????

I sometimes think "AF SOMALI MA GARANAYO" is said with pride in our community.

 

Thank you

[jabarti]

Asalamu Aleikum,

 

Bro. Libaax-Sankatabte, its true that they are hundreds of Somali teens from western Europe or Australia sent back to Somalia for cultural rehabilitations, or DHAQAN-CELIS in Somali.

 

Being a Bro. who travelled to Somalia for so many times, I seen and met some of those brothers who were sent back, what amezed me is that Some of them have easily integrated back to their wild west Somali culture, even to some extend they got married, settled there and refused to came back to Europe or N. America. When I asked some of them why they weren't willing to came back they stated me that they got all the freedom and manhood they were looking for in Somalia, they feel sense of belonging there, they even told me that in Somalia they felt IMPORTANT and dignify human being once again.

 

Having said that there are some wild boys and girls who felt that they parents patriate them, therefore they went to closest Canadian or European Emmbassy or Consolate and got their one way ticket back to Toronto, Minniapolis or London streets.

 

But what Alarmed me the most is that what damage they could do when those teenagers goes back to Somalia, namely they orgonise their gang groups and started their by trading drugs and porno Movies, plus teaching local kids about this bad behavior, weather it's new way of dressing, new walk, XXX, and being a disloyal to parents. etc.

 

For me its 50/50 chance, therefore, whoever is willing to take it, go ahead and see what the future might hold for them. But as some of the bro and sisters stated being a nice toward parents or even night to yourself starts from Home and specially when the child is young.

 

My Advice to the parents is that you should behave well infront of your kids if you want your children to be good Muslims and Good Somalis, who steadfast their culture and religion. Share your kids your personal experiences about life, tell them how your parents use to love you and treat you, tell them about Somalia and how we use to live there as kings and queens before the civil war.

 

Jabarti

 

Jabarti

[Ladiif]

I think those parents who send their kids to somalia, for Dhaqan Celin are the ones who failed their parental duties from the getgo. They should go for DHAQAN CELIN too.

 

Dhaqan celin is a good idea but only after you fulfilled your parental duties and tried your best but turned out to be fruitless for whatever reasons...but first, be a good parent and dont let your kids learn from MUQAYILIINTA, THUGS, and all kinda ill people on the streets.

 

Do your job first, then complain, but the other way around, is unaccceptable to me.....and that is what somali parents do.

[TIGRENOIR]

DAGHAN CELIs is a Good thing, I would beat those

Little ******* and send them back home...

It's very discuting the things that Kids do nowadays, Acting all Westernized my *** .. If my little Punks Brothers & sisters Talk **** , I personnaly Beat their *** and Send them Back To DJIBOUTI OR HARGEISA for real.

I ain't gonna stayed here with all This SHame

(ur brother do this ,ur sisters do THat ) NOT for meeeeeee. :mad:

[Ladiif]

TIGRENOIR, I thought DJABUUTI was part of FRANCE the mother of all .........!! I was feeling ya in your above post, but you lost me the moment you said DJabuuti..DJabuuti, they rather stay around CEDAR Villa(somali mecca in Minneapolis, MN) than going there.

[Rokko]

I am going back for dhaqancels soon.

[mz-alpha-soup]

Wether the kids are too wild or not i would still advice parents to take there kids back home for summer holidays to re-install there somali culture and values, not forgetting Diinta as this would inturn make them appreciate what they are and grow into confident men and women.

[lol]

Well! I am someone who bases her thoughts on things she sees around her, and since I haven't seen a kid that was sent to SOmalia for dhaqan celin.. I think I will give my full opinions on that once I get back from Galkacyo/Hargeysa. I am going there on 5th June... and will be back on early July. I will let you know what I think of Dhaqan celin back in the homeland..