baala xoofto Posted March 28, 2022 The dictator didn't differentiate civilian aircraft from military uses. In this document, it is clear that the dictator left no stone in as far as using every facility and arm of the Somali Republic to try to salvage a victory from the jaws of defeat in the hands of the gallant forces of the SNM. Â Â Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar Posted March 28, 2022 Blah blah, yada, yada, the never-ending wailing secessionists, lamenting about a loooong gone leader. Imagine if kuwaan isqarxiyo ee afka duuban ee maalgaliyaan Koonfurta laga maalgalin lahaa, how their incessant wailing would have been? Dad iskubo haddee yihiin and not like wailing habro-like, they would have moved on like Rwanda amd built the country. Rwandans, it is them who experienced tremendous tragedy and genocide. Yet they live among the people who were the culprits. If you want the so-called justice, start from the biggest cheerleaders of Kacaanka who to this day live amidst in Waqooyiga. Start with Feysal Dhurwaa, Daahir Riyaale, Siilaanyo and the ones who passed away. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
baala xoofto Posted March 28, 2022 I fail to understand what you are talking about here. This post is from US Embassy Cable sent from Mogadishu to Washington DC, indicting that Somali Airlines took part in Siyad Barre's genocidal war in what was then called Somalia's Northern Regions. This is a very important historic piece. Somali Airlines was 51% owned by Air Italy. Somaliland Gov't when the time is right, should bring law suit against Air Italy.   Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xaaji Xunjuf Posted March 30, 2022 On 3/29/2022 at 12:15 AM, Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar said: Blah blah, yada, yada, the never-ending wailing secessionists, lamenting about a loooong gone leader. Imagine if kuwaan isqarxiyo ee afka duuban ee maalgaliyaan Koonfurta laga maalgalin lahaa, how their incessant wailing would have been? Dad iskubo haddee yihiin and not like wailing habro-like, they would have moved on like Rwanda amd built the country. Rwandans, it is them who experienced tremendous tragedy and genocide. Yet they live among the people who were the culprits. If you want the so-called justice, start from the biggest cheerleaders of Kacaanka who to this day live amidst in Waqooyiga. Start with Feysal Dhurwaa, Daahir Riyaale, Siilaanyo and the ones who passed away. Do you have evidence that somaliland politicians are bankrolling alshabaab if not. I would say stay quiet  as for afweyne no one misses him not in Somalia or somaliland maybe his small clan misses him Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Che -Guevara Posted March 30, 2022 Xaaji, No one has to miss Barre, he lives rent-free in a lot of people's minds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
galbeedi Posted March 30, 2022 The Haegeisa war where sucidal fighters stormed their own homes lasted only less than four weeks. JUst like Mogadishu was destroyed by the four month war between Caydiid and Cali Mahdi, Most of Hargeisa and Burco was destroyed by the war among the Habro. People had to locate to Yiroowe, Togdheer to excape the war netween Cigaal and C/rahman Tuur which killed thousands. Yet no one will mention. 1:30 hour flight to Hargeisa will not have any effects for the mechanical well being of the airline. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xaaji Xunjuf Posted March 30, 2022 Wauw galbeedi so the 1994 war in hargeisa was more destructive for hargeisa then the  1988.  So in  1994. 500000 people fled hargeisa for Ethiopia  are you mad  hargeisa was literally destroyed  and no house was still standing  Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
baala xoofto Posted March 30, 2022 Galbeedi, you have only just disclosed to us how you are far from reality. I can bet that you have not been in that part of the world since before the 1988 wars. Runta sheeg. Here is Yusuf Garaad's accounts in 1989-90 visit. Yusuf Garaad: Hargeysa - Taxnaha 89 - 90 - Qaybta Toddobaad YUSUF-GARAAD.BLOGSPOT.COM Wacyi-wadaag & Falanqeyn Soomaaliya: Diblomaasiyadda, Xuquuqda Aadanaha, nabadda, horumarka, isdhexgalka bulshada, Cayaaraha, Afka & Fanka. Â Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
galbeedi Posted March 31, 2022 15 hours ago, Xaaji Xunjuf said: Wauw galbeedi so the 1994 war in hargeisa was more destructive for hargeisa then the  1988.  So in  1994. 500000 people fled hargeisa for Ethiopia Xaaji, It is no ones intention here to minimize the death of civilians in that horible Hargeisa war instigated by SNM. As I said many times, " Shacabka Soomaaliyeed waa Xalaal" whereever they are. It is true a war to dislodge the city from the rebels who stormed Hargeisa had caused extensive damage. Yet no one ever mentions the the war that went on from 1991-193 in Hargeisa itself which did also extensive damages, especially down town Hargeisa . Burco was almost intact in 1991. People abandoned the city in thousands to avoid the " Maryo Alool" war. A new town was created in 1994 and many veterans of the rebels died in that war. Also, everyone including Ahmed Siilaanyo said it " was a bad idea" to storm the city. After MInigestu and Siyaad Barre made the IGAD accord in Djibouti in 1987, the rebels knew they were going to be homeless. They dispatched their weapons through local trucks caryying milk and goods to Hargeisa while the play boy general Morgan was partying. When Morgan was told about the weapons being smuggled and rebels entering the city he said' "Daaya ha soo galaane". He thought they were abandoning the Ethiopian bases. THen suddenly in May 28, 1988 the war started within the city. What would the army and the government do? abandon the second capital of the republic for bunch rebels by Mengistu, the arch enemy of Somalia ? NO, they have to do what ever it took to dislodge the rebels from the city. Allah knows how many died, but a war that took mostly in certain parts of the city that took place less than three weeks couldn't kill thousands, but hundreds. After three weeks, the rebels left, tens of thousands became refugees in Ethiopia and the war changed to guerrila  hit and run until 1991. Personally, i put more weight in terms of victims for people who were arrested, shot or abused because of belonging to the Habro clan, SSDF community or others without trial. This were the real victims. I am not diminishing the victims of Hargeisa war, but that war can not only be blamed for the military government. For GOD sake Mohamed I EGAL waged a war in the east to save his new government formed in Borama in 1993 and killed thaousands to safe his new " Maanul". If Egal who controled few towns in west of Sheikh town waged war to keep his government, imagine the Somali National governmt in nineteen eighties? Look at Ukraine today, after the bombardment of 5 weeks weeks by the second largest army in the world, the death tall of the civilians didn't even reach 2000 people yet. Or look at Syria, were cluster bombs were used and cities flatened, the death in 10 years are half million. I can assure that when the first artellary was heard in Hargeisa evertyone moved to the other towns and borders to Ethiopia. it was the quickest war in terms of military engegement. The Burco war lasted a week. Cid walba hadday naxnaxiso dhibkeeda xal la gaadhi maayo. 15 hours ago, baala xoofto said: Wacyi-wadaag & Falanqeyn Soomaaliya: Diblomaasiyadda, Xuquuqda Aadanaha, nabadda, horumarka, isdhexgalka bulshada, Cayaaraha, Afka & Fanka.  Baala Xoofto, I would  take with grain of salt anything Yusuf Graad says who was a member of the USC group in the nineties. We we were their and we don't need CNN or BBC tell us about our homes. WE all agree that " war is hell". History will tell that the SNM committed some of worst strategies of the modern war in late eighties inflitrating a large city and fighting among civilians. That is an ISIS style of fighting. It was a crime. By 1991, they were almost accepting defeat and were ready to negotiate when the Somali government collapsed unexpectedly. In All, Allah is just and the injustices of the military government made it to collapse so others could make a credit. Yet, after 30 years we are where we started in 1991. Poverty, thrust for water, unemployed and constant drought and angry tribes from Djibouti to Jigjiga, Hargeisa, Garoowe and Mogadishu. Waxa uu yidhi C/laahi Yusuf Allah Ha u Naxariistee, " Hadaan ogaan lahaa in Soomalidu sidan tahay, duur ma galeen, baabuurna qori ma saareen". As Che said, Siyaad Barre Allah ha u naxariiste, is gone for almost 30 years ago, and other than big hotels for the elite to sip tea , what have you done? did you coltivated one hecter of land to aliviete import foods and infliation, did you built 50 km of road so people could trade and travel, have you seen even a kid kick a soccer ball or compete against another town? no. Raad aan shalay maray miyaan did ugu soo laabtay aan ooyee albaaka ii xidha. We just lost 45 of of the best and brightest in Hiiraan just last week. Have you ever heard any warlord or evil person dying in bombs? No. They always kill the best including that lady Aamina. She probably knew few things about the double agent " Maruuxumad" Ikraan which has ties to foreign agents. They bombed and wounded her, and just like proffessional killers they made sure she must not survive and made the second bomb. Only sates do that kind of thing. Dhiisi baad moodaa markuu afka kuu soo dhaweyneye Waa dan gaara iyo dhuuni ku raacdaysiye Dhuunta bir la ga geli muxuu nooga dhiman waayey. I am out of the topic, so kids, don't start with me with the evil Somali Alphabet rebels " Naga dumiyey dalkayagii". Allah doori dambigay galeenba garmaayaane. Good might folks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xaaji Xunjuf Posted March 31, 2022 You are still being disengenous galbeedi  the war in the 1980s  was the most destructive war maybe u Galbeed don’t believe but afweyne used airplanes to bomb hargeisa . The city was totally destroyed. Nothing was standing  every one left in. 1994 not a people fled  only some in 1988.  Every one left  as for the 1988 operation to liberate somaliland do you expect us to surrender like the pirates did in 1984  it was worth it what ever  sacrifice we made it is good we licked our wounds and left the walanweyn behind and moved on really    Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
baala xoofto Posted March 31, 2022 Galbeedi reminds me Afweyne's propagandist in Somalia Embassy in London. The poker face she puts up is just unbelievable. Her name is Sureer Abshir Muse sister of Mohamed Abshir. The same professional lair now is going around preaching "reconciliation" B.S.  You mentioned that you don't take a non-SNM sources like Yusuf Garaad's personal eyewitness accounts seriously. You don't take any other accounts. So what is the point in even responding to you? Come on. Iska raaxayso sxb. That is all I am going to say.  Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
baala xoofto Posted March 31, 2022 53 minutes ago, Xaaji Xunjuf said: You are still being disengenous galbeedi  the war in the 1980s  was the most destructive war maybe u Galbeed don’t believe but afweyne used airplanes to bomb hargeisa . The city was totally destroyed. Nothing was standing  every one left in. 1994 not a people fled  only some in 1988.  Every one left Two things forces the SNM to come home. 1. The Afwayne + Mingistu peace deal which was signed in Djibout in early 1988, which states that all guarilla movements from both sides will be disarmed. 2. General Morgan sensing victory after the Deal, went after the civilians in what was later described as one of the uglies pogroms conducted by any dictator. Summary executions, mass arrests and indiscriminate confiscation of properties, vehicles, and private business. It was not uncommon for refugee belonging to the O-clan knock on your door and tell you to leave your own home, so they could move in themselves.   Laying down arms and becoming civilians was just not an option for the SNM. A whole clan's survival was in the hands of a few key individuals. A secret meeting held in Aware town in April 1988, the SNM reached the decision that will upend the Horn of Africa. An all out war was declared on Siyad Barre's regime. As the old saying goes: The rest is history. Morgan, Afwayne and his minions ended up in Refugee camps. The SNM gallantly removed the dictator from power while the ink in the Djibouti Agreement was not even dry yet.  Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar Posted March 31, 2022 10 hours ago, baala xoofto said: Galbeedi reminds me Afweyne's propagandist in Somalia Embassy in London. The poker face she puts up is just unbelievable. Her name is Sureer Abshir Muse sister of Mohamed Abshir. The same professional lair now is going around preaching "reconciliation" B.S.  You mentioned that you don't take a non-SNM sources like Yusuf Garaad's personal eyewitness accounts seriously. You don't take any other accounts. So what is the point in even responding to you? Come on. Iska raaxayso sxb. That is all I am going to say.  Now the desperation is quoting the nobody, useless Twitter trolls. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
baala xoofto Posted March 31, 2022 I was only interested in the video clips. I don't know how to just get the video and not the content. If you know, please share.   Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites