Prayer Beads

[SeeKer]

 

I wanted to inquire as to how one would feel seeing someone wrap a tusbax around the wrist. I have been doing that for the past two months and sometimes I get awful stares from people. The reason I do it cause everytime I am sitting around doing nothing I use the tusbax to remember God. I think its a great tool after my friend told me she has one in the car for when she is stuck in traffic. Now I use it when I am waiting for a meeting, when I am in traffic, when I am taking a break. Its great cause it being wrapped around my wrist reminds me that every second counts.

 

I am also secretly trying to create a movement

 

On the other hand i also wanted to see does anyone know about the history of prayer beads. Lots of faith seem to have it that it has to have some common origin doesn't it?

[nuune]

Tusbax sizekiisu yahay 99 ayaan qoorta ku xirtaa anigu

 

 

Good to see another Soler oo tusbax user ah, awliyadu wey badanaysaa

 

 

lool@movement

[SeeKer]

Mine is 99 but small cute ones with no words on them.

 

Why not a movement? If every tenth person were to have a tusbax the world would be filled with less arguments. People are so peaceful and kind when they are remembering their Lord. (Most of the time)

[Blessed]

I'm not a big tusbax user but I'm a HUGE fan of tusbax bead art. I always buy one for hooyo, then I make a point of telling her about the sunnah being the use of hand and it being better to stick to the sunnah. Then I buy her another tusbax becuase it's beautiful and reminds me of her.

[Malika]

^Aaw..Bless!

 

Seeker,I dont use tusbax myself but my sister cant sleep unless she has a tasbihi on her hands..The tradition is linked to India and Buddhism,and not originally Islamic thus not being the sunnah.

[UZTAAD]

great tradition indeed tusbax is good tool to keep track of the digriga alle. I realy like it though I seldom use it.

[Juxa]

i have a tusbax, which belonged to my mom and carry it around.

 

for wardiga i use my fingers

 

i shall join the movement

[UZTAAD]

Ahlu tusbax movement

[NinBrown]

What is the ruling on using the masbahah (prayer beads)?

 

Praise be to Allaah.

 

Some scholars say that it is permissible to use the masbahah, but they say that it is preferable to do tasbeeh on one’s fingers; others say that it is bid’ah (reprehensible innovation).

 

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said in al-Fataawa (22/187): “Some of them might show off by putting their prayer-mats over their shoulders and carrying their masbahahs in their hands, making them symbols of religion and prayer. It is known from the mutawaatir reports that neither the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) nor his Companions used these as symbols. They used to recite tasbeeh and count on their fingers, as the hadeeth says: “Count on your fingers, for they will asked, and will be made to speak.” Some of them may count their tasbeeh with pebbles or date stones. Some people say that doing tasbeeh with the masbahah is makrooh, and some allow it, but no one says that tasbeeh with the masbahah is better than tasbeeh with the fingers.” Then he (may Allaah have mercy on him) goes on to discuss the issue of showing off with the masbahah, saying that it is showing off with regard to something that is not prescribed by Islam, which is worse than showing off with regard to something that is prescribed.

 

Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-‘Uthaymeen (al-Liqa’ al-Maftooh, 3/30) was asked whether using the masbahah for tasbeeh is bid’ah, and his reply was: “It is better not to do tasbeeh with the masbahah, but it is not bid’ah, because there is a basis for it, which is the fact that some of the Sahaabah did tasbeeh with pebbles. But the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) taught that tasbeeh with the fingers is better, as he said, ‘Count with the fingertips, for they will be made to speak.’ Doing tasbeeh with the masbahah is not haraam or bid’ah, but it is better not to do it, because the one who does tasbeeh with the masbahah has shunned something better. Using the masbahah may also be contaminated with some element of showing off, because we see some people carrying masbahahs that contain a thousand beads, as if they are telling people, ‘Look at me, I do a thousand tasbeehs!’ Secondly, those who use the masbahah for tasbeeh are usually absent-minded and not focused, so you see them doing tasbeeh with the beads, but their gaze is wandering all over the place, which indicates that they are not really concentrating. It is better to do tasbeeh with one’s fingers, preferably using the right hand rather than the left, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to count his tasbeeh on his right hand. If a person counts his tasbeeh using both hands, there is nothing wrong with that, but it is better to use the right hand only.”

 

Shaykh Muhammad Naasir al-Deen al-Albaani said in Al-Silsilat al-Da’eefah (1/110), where he quotes the (weak) hadeeth “What a good reminder is the subhah [masbahah],”

 

“In my view, the meaning of this hadeeth is invalid for a number of reasons:

 

Firstly, the subhah [masbahah] is bid’ah and was not known at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). It happened after that, so how could he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) have encouraged his Sahaabah to do something that was unknown to them? The evidence for what I have said is the report narrated by Ibn Waddaah in Al-Bid’ wa’l-Nahy ‘anhaa from al-Salt ibn Bahraam, who said: ‘Ibn Mas’ood passed by a woman who had a [masbahah] with which she was making tasbeeh, and he broke it and threw it aside, then he passed by a man who was making tasbeeh with pebbles, and he kicked him then said, “You think you are better than the Sahaabah, but you are following unjustified bid’ah! You think you have more knowledge than the Companions of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)!”’ Its isnaad is saheeh to al-Salt, who is one of the trustworthy (thiqah) followers of the Taabi’een.

 

Secondly, it goes against the guidance of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Amr said, ‘I saw the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) counting the tasbeeh on his right hand.’”

 

He also said (1/117): “If there is only one bad thing about the masbahah, which it is that it takes the place of the Sunnah of counting on the fingers, even though all are agreed that counting on the fingers is preferable, then that is bad enough. How rarely I see people counting their tasbeeh on their fingers!

 

Moreover, people have invented so many sophisticated ways of following this bid’ah, so you see the followers of one of the [sufi] tareeqahs wearing the masbahah around their necks! Or some of them counting with the beads whilst talking or listening to you! Or another one – the like of whom I have not seen for some time – riding his bicycle through a street crowded with people, with the masbahah in one of his hands! They are showing the people that they are not distracted from the remembrance of Allaah for even an instant, but in many cases this bid’ah is a cause of their neglecting what is obligatory (waajib). It has happened many times – to others as well as myself – that when I greet one of these people with salaam, they answer only by waving and not by saying the words of the greeting. The bad results of this bid’ah are innumerable, and no one can say it better than the poet:

 

‘All goodness is in following that which went before (the salaf)

 

All badness is in the innovations of those who came later.’”

 

And Allaah knows best.

[SeeKer]

^^ I have read that before. It is sunnah to count with your fingers. No one is negating that. Fatwas are meant to be used as guidelines and as long as I am not showing off (don't know for the life of me how you can be showy with a tusbax.......is it the pretty beads?) and am attentive then I don't see any conflict of interest.

 

Personally I have qualms everytime I see this phrase

was not known at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

There are a million things in the present that were not known during the times of the Prophet (PBUH) are we to negate every single use of them eg. a car?

 

Think about it, if some of the followers were using stones to count out their tasbih then perhaps had the tusbax being around they might have used it? :confused:

 

Allah knows best. We all have been given intelligence and tools (Quran and Sunnah) we need to make our own decisions. For me, I don't see a problem with using the tusbax.

 

Jzk for the paste from Q and A, now everyone should make an informed decision noh ?

[Blessed]

^The use of car isn't an act of worship so wouldn't come into a sharia debate over innovations in the deen. Something can only be a bid'ah if it is a new act of worship that was not practiced / approved by the Prophet (SAW).

 

Using pepple for instance was not a practice of the Prophet (SAW) but he didn't disaprove of it so it can not be called an innovation like Sheikh Uthaimeen has said in the above article..

 

I do think the use of fingers is better a way of remembering Allah, because you combine it with other good Islamic practices such as keeping a Prophetic sunnah alive (esp. in our times when sunnah is almost alien), your fingers testify for you in youm-el qiyaamah, it is more discreet than a tasbeeh, esp when you're in public and it forces you to concentrate, you work harder, gain more ajer.

 

But there's no harm in using pepples or beads and can be useful if you have trouble keeping up with the numbers.

 

Finally, we should not let shaydaan take our focus of the main objective of all this which is the rememberance of Allah, not only will it make us more peacful it will also sve us some unnecessary danbi.

[SeeKer]

Originally posted by Blessed.*:

But there's no harm in using pepples or beads and can be useful if you have trouble keeping up with the numbers.

 

Finally, we should not let shaydaan take our focus of the main objective of all this which is the rememberance of Allah, not only will it make us more peacful it will also sve us some unnecessary danbi.

JZK Blessed. Thats what I was aiming to say and got caught up in my own web. Enjoy your Jumaa.

[peasant]

^You should get that prayer beads Jet Lee uses to kill the chines guy in the Movie lethal weapon 4. looks cool though and is multipurpose item, if you wanted to strangle someone or something. lol

[Buuxo]

Pretty tusbax.

[Paragon]

^Yaaba u jeedo, Tusbaxa. Dadkii muran beeyba galeen.

 

Aniga haddee Suufiyadii horaan ka harey marka Tusbax iyo Saalimoow waan iska qaataa. Weliba markeey siyaaro jirto waa muhiim.

 

Buuxo, ma sidii baad u wardisaa horta? Muraadkeenna Allaha sahlo.