Qatari special envoy Mutlaq bin Majed Al-Qahtani arrives in Mogadishu

[Che -Guevara]

Maakhiri,

Your clansmen might also find among H@rti and Warsan-gale Abg@l

P.s. Warsan-G is a sub-clan of H-Abgal

[maakhiri1]

Thanks for correction and more info MMA.

Che, The guys in Abg@al, we have strong connections,. During SHIRIB, their elders chant  and tell how their ancestoriws.descended from the mountains, "awoowe caleedoow" referring back to their roots in Calmadoow. This knowledge is very limited but stories are being  revived soon, with dna testing as well. You can find some of these videos in youtube.

So those guys know,  they migrated from Sanaag long time ago. There are same stories of among Maakhiris in sanaag of  Xamar Gale, one of their sons  moving to Xamar area.

Somali meel ma kala jirto

 

 

[Che -Guevara]

37 minutes ago, maakhiri1 said:

Thanks for correction and more info MMA.

Che, The guys in Abg@al, we have strong connections,. During SHIRIB, their elders chant  and tell how their ancestoriws.descended from the mountains, "awoowe caleedoow" referring back to their roots in Calmadoow. This knowledge is very limited but stories are being  revived soon, with dna testing as well. You can find some of these videos in youtube.

So those guys know,  they migrated from Sanaag long time ago. There are same stories of among Maakhiris in sanaag of  Xamar Gale, one of their sons  moving to Xamar area.

Somali meel ma kala jirto

 

 

People confuse politics with kinship. Many tribal confederations were the product of political alliances.

I think Xaaji never left his village, he thinks everyone married their cousin and stayed in the same locale

[maakhiri1]

18 minutes ago, Che -Guevara said:

People confuse politics with kinship. Many tribal confederations were the product of political alliances.

I think Xaaji never left his village, he thinks everyone married their cousin and stayed in the same locale

Yes and most importantly insurance, magta in la isla bixiyo, aan cidi wax ku yeelin,  as MMA put it.

Those Somalis who somehow  FOR whatever reasons, did not get or formed  alliance,  was kuma la midab takooro, cunsuriyeeyo like Madhibaan, they have no lands and totally dispossessed by those who formed confederation, and for worse part,, they even lost their Isir,genealogy, most  have no idea where they come from. 

Bal nin madhibaan ama midgaan ah , abtirsabyaahaaga ii sheeg dheh, 3 ama 5 okay ma dhaafin karaan,, nobody knows!

[maakhiri1]

BTW agree , one man one vote will be a game changer, 

[Arafaat]

Aside from clan, please also take in to account  that certain communities are largely agro‐pastoral whereas others are largely nomadic with  distinctively different cultural, linguistic, social structures and political cultures.

And fact is that Somali political culture might have been largely influenced by Nomadic communities where competition for hegemony is inherently part of the socio-cultural dynamics .

Meaning that the ‘game’ of politics played in Mogadishu might be closer to the Nomadic game of ‘geel dhac’ of Mudug and than the agro-pastoral game of ‘istunka’ as played in Wanlaweyn and environments, despite the proximity of one another to Mogadishu. 

 

[galbeedi]

2 hours ago, Arafaat said:

Meaning that the ‘game’ of politics played in Mogadishu might be closer to the Nomadic game of ‘geel dhac’ of Mudug and than the agro-pastoral game of ‘istunka’ as played in Wanlaweyn and environments, despite the proximity of one another to Mogadishu. 

That is good academic analysis. 

Nin Geelsoo dhici jiray iyo nin beera falanaya isku aragti ma ahan.

[Mastermind]

Marka Bay iyo Bakool geel iyo xoolo lagama dhaqdo miyaa?

Shabellaha Hoose Communities fit the description and analysis of Arafaat and not Bay& Bakool folks who are fundamentally different species. 
 

If we are being honest what is holding back Reer Koonfur Galbeed is poverty and lack of education. And these are the reasons why the likes of Al Shabaab and Farmaajo take advantage of them.

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

On 5/12/2021 at 9:47 PM, Arafaat said:

Aside from clan, please also take in to account  that certain communities are largely agro‐pastoral whereas others are largely nomadic with  distinctively different cultural, linguistic, social structures and political cultures.

And fact is that Somali political culture might have been largely influenced by Nomadic communities where competition for hegemony is inherently part of the socio-cultural dynamics .

Meaning that the ‘game’ of politics played in Mogadishu might be closer to the Nomadic game of ‘geel dhac’ of Mudug and than the agro-pastoral game of ‘istunka’ as played in Wanlaweyn and environments, despite the proximity of one another to Mogadishu. 

 

It is just weird when every faarax and jimcaale from their non-informed fadhi-ku-dirir chairs like to speak for Reer Koonfur Galbeed. Since Reer Koonfur Galbeed are too busy for fadhi-ku-dirir and don't waste their times, whether the live one or the online, hence the online jimcaales assumption for the position of speaking for Reer Koonfur Galbeed by pretending to be an expert they have no reason to be. One such one is this post, which has madfac-sized flaw holes in it.

First of all and the wrong, usual assumption of reer faradheer/maryooleey, is that Reer Koonfur Galbeed as a whole are mono-culture of beeraleey community. They are not; some are nomads, some are beeraleey and others are malaay ayee dabtaan. Bakool has one of the largest geel population in Soomaaliya. Reer Jubbooyinka are lo'leey.

Istunka is not played by only Reer Koonfur Galbeed proper. Istunka is more like Banaadiri culture than anything else and is played by communities that settled the original Banaadir region - from Shabeellaha Dhexe, Banaadir to Shabeellaha Hoose. Xoolo dhaqato, beeraleey iyo malaaydabto ayaa wada dheelo ciyaar dhaqameedkaan.

One thing that is the correct fact is that beeraleyda and malaaydabtada, who are always settled communities, are far more civilized than the nomadic-based communities. War is their last resort since it leads into inevitable destruction of their environment. It is a universal fact. Nomadism does not know the value of keeping the land in peace since they are constantly on the move. Just ask the old miyiga Carabta and Mongooliya.

Now maryooleey wrongly again assume this reticence of war is some-kind of political naivete. It is not. Just ask Moorgan, Cumar Jees and Caydiid Junior who felt the full wrath of Reer Koonfur Galbeed after they run out of patience.

[Arafaat]

The issue is not who is better than who, despite what earlier posters were trying to insinuate. The issue is that we seem to be in a vicious cycle of polarizing debates tainting analysis, and fueling misunderstanding of our own context and dynamics. 

Yes pastoral nomadic culture can be highly competitive with constant friction, due to  scarcity and insecure access to water and pasture land that can turn to violent conflicts. But at the same time, they used to have traditional governance system with traditional leaders and customs that facilitated peace and reconciliation in pastoralist communities. 

Both pictures are highly contrasting, but it has worked for thousands of years and kept the balance. Was it not for that our traditional system being highly weakened, neglected and undermined, resulting to the Somali leadership  one sidedly being populated with ‘waranles’(fighters and warmongers) without finding a place for ‘nabadoons’(peacemakers and mediators), significantly eliminating the capacity of the Somali people to manage and prevent conflict and criminality. 

Modern forms of governance and state authorities that we have adopted, has only exacerbated this problem, without providing a platform for the traditional mechanism and governance that Somali’s so direly need to resolve friction, disputes and conflicts. 

We have thrown away that what has worked for thousands of years for our people, without having an alternative to replace it bringing us to our current situation of never ending cycle of disputes and conflicts accumulating without any of them being actually resolved.
 

[maakhiri1]

I have said many times , source of all problems for Somalia, starting with Nomads lifestyle, have no mecy, no rule,  illiterate , ruthless and very destructive. 

Mass urbanisation is necessary, and fortunately this is the trend.

If you do research on all jabhadaha, they got their unlimited  source of fuel from miyiga. 90% of Somalis conflicts and infighting are baadiyaha.