Somali Women and Revert Marriage Phenomenon

[NGONGE]

^^ You're worse than Adam, Lily.

Does everyone like revert marraiges? Does everyone like women who marry outside(to Muslims or others)? Did it never happen before?

 

Follow the lines of thought you start, people..

[-Lily-]

Ok perhaps this culture thing needs another thread, how many times must I repeat myself. I am not arguing about reverts. I couldnt care less about how many men or women married foreigners, I doubt they even make up 1%, nor am I opposing them.

 

But even you know it doesn’t make sense to compare a few thousand occupying forces in your native land to being a citizen in a country that is not yours (eg. UK).

[Chimera]

I just realised this is a very old topic in which i already destroyed Marx deluded points(who happens to be single, which supports my previous replies where i highlighted that this specific group of single men are the main force behind this charade), i'm sure Mr Gello is single too, hence the unjustified panic on a non-issue.

[NGONGE]

Originally posted by Adam.:

Non-sequitur Ngonge, the occupiers influence was non-existant, not on our religion, not on our culture, not on our way of life. My grandfather and mother lived as their ancestors did before and after these imaginary lines were drawn. My grandfather and mother did not lose their first language the way many younglings in our community do today. My grandfather and mother went reguraly to their local mosques undisturbed and the Ayaan Hirsi syndrome was an alien concept. My grandfather and mother socialised with other Somalis, unlike me and the majority of Somali diaspora who go to school, work etc with a myriad of different people. Its disingenous for you to say that the issues faced by us today is comparable to the issues of our grandparents, which was irrendetism and self-determination.

Nonsense. Many of your grandparents worked as lackeys for Italians, British and French. Many (inside their own country) picked up the habits and styles of these people (ilbax all the way).

 

You talk about 1% that marry reverts or whoever on the one hand and dismiss the same 1% of your grandparents who did exactly the same thing.

 

Don't pat yourself in the back and say you are facing bigger or different problems, saaxib. On the whole, the problems are the same. It's only the people paying attention to them and making them seem bigger nowadays. However, if you want to be petty and compare being in a school class with non Somalis to eedo xaawa having her first glimpse of electricity, I would only ask you to note all these things down for a future date when you're in need of a laugh.

 

P.S.

Lily, you've gone in a whole different direction. I am only here to pierce Adam's utopian image of old Somalia.

[Chimera]

Originally posted by NGONGE:

quote:Originally posted by Adam.:

Non-sequitur Ngonge, the occupiers influence was non-existant, not on our religion, not on our culture, not on our way of life. My grandfather and mother lived as their ancestors did before and after these imaginary lines were drawn. My grandfather and mother did not lose their first language the way many younglings in our community do today. My grandfather and mother went reguraly to their local mosques undisturbed and the Ayaan Hirsi syndrome was an alien concept. My grandfather and mother socialised with other Somalis, unlike me and the majority of Somali diaspora who go to school, work etc with a myriad of different people. Its disingenous for you to say that the issues faced by us today is comparable to the issues of our grandparents, which was irrendetism and self-determination.

Nonsense. Many of your grandparents worked as lackeys for Italians, British and French. Many (inside their own country) picked up the habits and styles of these people (ilbax all the way).

My grandparents were either nomads or worked for other Somalis. It is you who is the revisionist historian here not me. For starters you paint the picture that there was a heavy presence of occupiers in all walks of Somali life, when we all know what they represented was tiny skeleton administrations that had no real impact on our society outside the issue of African borders, unlike the diasporic communities who are literally conditioned to fit in the societies of their host countries.

 

You talk about 1% that marry reverts or whoever on the one hand and dismiss the same 1% of your grandparents who did exactly the same thing.

Neither cases are nowhere near 1%, and marrying out has been a historic reality(though insignificant) since B.C times all the way to the 19th century, because Somali traders visited other port cities in the Red Sea and Indian Ocean and vice versa.

 

Don't pat yourself in the back and say you are facing bigger or different problems, saaxib. On the whole, the problems are the same. It's only the people paying attention to them and making them seem bigger nowadays.

What part of us living in foreign lands with different religions, cultures and social norms fails to register with you Ngonge? We are outsiders, no matter how many Somali cops patrol the street, it only takes one thug to ruin it for the rest, it only takes one radical to ruin it for the rest. We are facing issues that are very different to the ones of our ancestors, where the occupiers were the outsiders. I made it clear that the current generation is the most significant one in steering the course of the Somali diaspora that no other generation had been tasked with in the past simply for the fact that the Somali diaspora before the war was minuscule.

 

However, if you want to be petty and compare being in a school class with non Somalis to eedo xaawa having her first glimpse of electricity, I would only ask you to note all these things down for a future date when you're in need of a laugh.

What do you mean? Somalis had the wheel, had the sail, had the compass, had ventilated houses, had stone anchor shanks, had textile machines, these things come natural with global trade, as eedo Xaawo noticed when her tv was installed in the 70s or 80s, but i fail to see how your example supports your stand that eedo Xaawo living in a land populated by her people, where her culture is practiced, where her language is dominant is comparable to the situation in the modern diaspora where her niece Ebyan lives in a society where the Somali language is not dominant, where her religion is not dominant, where her culture is not dominant, where her people demographically are not dominant.

[NGONGE]

Again, I'm not the one being a revisionist here, Adam. I am happy to accept that nothing is ever perfect. All the obstacles you quote don't really matter much and only few fall for them, just like few fell for them when the "skeleton administrations" were in charge of Somali lands.

 

You say your grandparents spoke their own language and were not forced to change, but, sit a minute and think of a hundred random Somali words, half way through I bet you'll spit out a few English or Italian words(and that was only the influence of skeleton admin!). In the time of your parents (and mine) western dress, western attitudes and western xarragow were all the rage (and all IN the heart of Somalia). Before that, Somali poets were singing the praises of the occupiers with timeless poems. These are not lies, these are things that took place and can be proven with pictures and words.

 

The point I am making (though harshly) is that there is no much difference (on the whole) between the past and the present. Those that fell by the wayside did in the past and will do in the future. The 'purity' of the past that you hint at is nothing but a dream, saaxib.

 

One thing you have in common with your grandparents and their grandparents too is in the undying view that the past was always better. It's not, it wasn't. 'Good' and 'evil' have always been the story of the world, saaxib.

 

We all have a choice in sticking with our culture or abandoning it altogether (just like many of our grandparents did). Most people stick by it one way or another. They enrich it, they improve it but they never stand still by harking back to a gone by time when it is said things were better. It is human nature to blot out bad memories and only see the good, saaxib (why else do you think women who have gone through the mad ordeal of birth giving go through the whole thing again and again).

 

 

P.S.

For any confused latecomers, I'm not talking about revert marriages here. That's a nonsense topic.

[B]

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I read this 4 times to understand your point. I am still confused.

[Paragon]

You folks show me that you are least economic in theory. Looking at it from an economic perspective, I have calculated within a matter of 5 minutes (perusing this thread) that the commodity X (Somali women) are near valueless in mass matrimonial equation. You see, the ratio of men to women in the Diaspora (by women we mean - ugub commodities) drives utility value down to a level of abundance. That is excluding SHC (second hand commodities - which have sustained detriments or inherent variables), thus, overall, since the demand is low, matrimonial clients (single men) will inevitably demand the availability of 'change' or 'made-by-order' products. Change or 'made-by-order' products thus invites a new group of sophisticated merchants and a new market. These new merchants and their new market then bring new languages, which are wholly unnecessary. It's an inconvenience.

 

So, in a nutshell, we MUST have more Somali girls and women marrying foreigners to raise the value of product utility. If they (women) drag their feet in such a project then they should be thrashed and then be forced to marry foreigners. If they should refuse again, they should be thrashed again. How many thrashed is that? I have one more left so I will use it later on.

 

Or else, just like the farmers in Europe that you see dumping milk to increase value, we will be forced by circumstance to masaafuris these women.

I think they should bring back the old tradition of Qumayo lagu rid deep pits.

 

PS: I wrote the above in the influence of tea misuse so all mistakes MUST be appreciated. Because I say so.

[Malika]

^ @Qumayo lagu rid deep pits..loooooool[God,I must be in a good mood today]

 

[NGONGE]

Originally posted by Benson and Hedges:

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I read this 4 times to understand your point. I am still confused.

I see your point. I read it too and I am confused. Adam, sorry mate. I'll try to think things through and pick it up on a different thread where none of this revert nonsense could confuse matters.

[alisom]

Interesting!

[GaroweGal]

How's this any different to Faraax's ho.e-ing around with caddan girls?

 

Answer; the new reverts weey istejiyaan.

[Somalina]

I know enough Somali guys who married non somali women...

I personally don't care who i marry as long as they are muslim.

 

It is 2010, be happy and make better choices when selecting a mate..

[mz-alpha-soup]

Personally I prefer a somali man, az long az he is religous with a good heart and does not have balwaad

[Cara.]

^^Don't you know

 

1. Religious

2. Has a good heart

3. Does not have balwad

 

Pick only two