Turkey vows response to Israeli attack

[Jacaylbaro]

SOME PEOPLE ARE STILL DREAMING

[Paragon]

Somalis say: 'Ninkii waaw yiraahdo, isagaa laga war suggaa'.

 

Turkey can shout and do her share their fair bit of chest-beating, but what exactly does Turkey have to threaten Israel? :confused:

 

Nothing. Eber!

 

It's no show.

 

[hooskagadhangadha iga dheh]

[General Duke]

Turkey will not go to war with the US over a few deaths, but Israel will be more isolated, and the US will have a difficult time with Iran, since it needed Turkey to help.

 

The truth is, Turkey is a stronger nationa than the Jewsih state...

[Emperor]

Turkey has done well. Knowing that Isreal runs most of the western world politics and have a huge control on many things in this world.

 

Turkey has pressed the right buttons, forced the UN to sit on this issue, criticised Israel's state terror on international waters and vowed to do exactly the same if nothing is done now about this, and that the UN and the rest of western world were acting double when they denounced and amassed to the stop the action of Somali pirates when the state of Israel is doing the same.

 

As a result of all this, and the good thing to have come from this action is the end of Gaza blockade, today Gazans are receiving what they haven't received for the past 3 years and that Hamas is claiming victory.

[General Duke]

Some might think that everything is the same, even the head of Mossad is admiting that the nation is becoming a problem for its greatest ally...

 

 

Mossad chief: Israel becomes U.S. 'burden'

 

June 1 (UPI) -- Israel has gradually been turning into a "burden" on the United States since the end of the Cold War, the head of the Israeli secret service said Tuesday.

 

Meir Dagan, chief of the Mossad, addressed the Knesset's Foreign Aid and Defense Committee, The Jerusalem Post reported. He said the Obama administration has concluded neither Israel nor the Palestinian Authority is ready for a peace agreement.

 

"Israel is gradually turning from an asset to the United States to a burden," he said.

[General Duke]

Al Jazeera's coverage of Erdogans speech..

 

'Extraordinarily strong'

 

In a speech to legislatorson Tuesday, Erdogan said:

"It is no longer possible to cover up or ignore Israel's lawlessness.

 

"The international community must from now on say 'enough is enough'.

 

"Dry statements of condemnation are not enough ... there should be results."

 

Anita McNaught, Al Jazeera's correspondent in Istanbul, said Erdogan's speech was "extraordinarily strong".

 

She said he

"mentioned the unmentionable, saying that Israel acts because it has powerful friends".

 

Turkey called for a strong international response to the raid, with Erdogan saying he would be speaking to Barack Obama, the US president, later in the day.

[Haatu]

Originally posted by General Duke:

The truth is, Turkey is a stronger nationa than the Jewsih state...

Sxb let's not fool ourselves. Israel has the west to support its every move. We just have to look at the first speech of every western leader to know where the allegiance stands.

[General Duke]

^^^The US was much stronger than China after WW2, and suffered defeats in both Korea, and Vietnam and look at the Chinese now.

 

No one fights a strong foe, they pick on the armed groups and despots like Sadam.

 

Turkey is a strong nation, and one that will inflict a great deal of hardship on any foe in a war including the combined West.

[BOB]

If I were Turkey I'd seek to end this through diplomacy and not through the gun.

 

 

Turkey is the only legitimate force that the Muslims have today and we shouldn't be quick to jeopardize that as that's exactly what Israel wants just the same way they dragged Ottoman Empire into an un-neccessary war which in the end resulted the demise of the last Muslim empire.

 

 

Turkey would wipe the floor with Israel but when you throw US and UK and even France (Sarkozy is ciyaalka xaafada in case if you didn't know)into the frey what chance does Turkey has and who would come to Turkey's rescue? Egypt? Saudi Arabia? TGF? Al Shabaab? Al Qaeda? Taliban? Iran? Please.

 

 

^^^and I thought you guys were politicians and diplomats...caqli iyo nabad wax halagu raadiyo just the same way our beloved and noble prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h) would've done.

 

 

Peace, Love & Unity.

[Hales]

Originally posted by *BOB:

If I were Turkey I'd seek to end this through diplomacy and not through the gun.

 

 

Turkey is the only legitimate force that the Muslims have today and we shouldn't be quick to jeopardize that as that's exactly what Israel wants just the same way they dragged Ottoman Empire into an un-neccessary war which in the end resulted the demise of the last Muslim empire.

 

 

Turkey would wipe the floor with Israel but when you throw US and UK and even France (Sarkozy is ciyaalka xaafada in case if you didn't know)into the frey what chance does Turkey has and who would come to Turkey's rescue? Egypt? Saudi Arabia? TGF? Al Shabaab? Al Qaeda? Taliban? Iran? Please.

 

 

^^^and I thought you guys were politicians and diplomats...caqli iyo nabad wax halagu raadiyo just the same way our beloved and noble prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h) would've done.

 

Peace, Love & Unity.

You put a lot of people here in there place.

[Libaax-Sankataabte]

Believe it or not, the common Israeli does care about the image of their country. That image of Isreal as a nation "definding itself" is what actually fuels the long occupation. Turkey's main objective here is to portray Israel as unreasonable state. Turkey is rather in a unique position to do so because of its credibility with the world as a “secular” state. This is not physical. It is a diplomatic confrontation. I admit “diplomatic victory” may amount to little in the end as far as compensating for deaths of the Turkish activists is concerned, but this is a start considering how the prevailing global attitude has always been one of silence and often times unashamed support for the many Israeli terror campaigns of the past. At least Israel is feeling some diplomatic heat this time from its own friends.

 

 

Just a thought.

[NGONGE]

Bob,

Don't listen to the excited Duke, saaxib. Turkey is a secular state that is a member of NATO and is one of the first nations to recognise Israel. It is making waves now but the only result to come out of this is likely to be that the secularists Turks turn against their government and take it back to the old days of military coups and what not.

 

I am personally happy with any and everything that makes Israel uncomfortable (even for mere seconds), however, we've all been here before (well, not all, the young ones have not) and have seen how such stories end. The jarring thing of course, is that while countries like Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon or Kuwait still do not recognise Israel, Turkey (after all the noise had died down) will remain an ally and carry on having those war excercises tha were only cancelled due to this incident like they were cancelled the last couple of times the two countries had a bit of a confrontation.

 

When Erdogan calms down, he'll start looking closer to home and start hunting supposed 'internal' threats.

 

Reading Duke and others comment on such stories makes one wonder if they've been paying attention in the past at all.

[Libaax-Sankataabte]

Blogger Glen Greenwald of Salon.com takes on Eliot Spitzer on MSNBC. Fasicinating exchange.

 

[Jacpher]

The Young Turk Cenk Uygur says technically and legally Nato was attacked and American citizen executed by Israel. US isn't doing anything about it.

 

[General Duke]

NGOONGE, seems to be out of his depth, adeer China & Russia are secular states as well, what on earth has that got to do with national security and attacks on ones civilians?

Also have you been in a hole the past decade? The AK party is not so secular, and the million or so secular Turks who demonstrated against the nomination of Abdula Gul for President, the arrests of high ranking military officers to counter a coup, are examples of the changes that have taken place in Turkey.

NGOONGE, should also remember that Erdogan was barred from office, arrested for reciting a religious poem a few years ago. Today both the President & PM of Turkey are both devout Muslims, with headscarf wearing spouses. A great change from the past Whiskey drinking generals.

All you seem to repeat is that Turkey, is a secular state and a member of Nato, which had close ties with Israel.Yes it was. The excitement is that for the past few years Turkey has been reclaiming its leadership of the Islamic world, it has been moving steadily eastward.

Also this incident has severed any ties let alone close ones, Turkey had with Israel and emboldened Muslims everywhere.

Adeer open your eyes, we are not dealing with old Camel traders, but with Turkey finding its Islamic pulse after all these years.