Intel Posted January 16, 2004 Originally posted by shujui-1: I argue wholeheartedly with your appraisal of Henry, as good a player as he is the english try to make him the best player in the world with all the constant hype. I would have had Shevchenko up there with Van Nistilroy Bro what the is wrong with you i ain't no Arses fan but mate com'on there is no better striker in the world 2day than Henry BTW @peninsula wlc to SOL Brother Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
N.O.R.F Posted January 16, 2004 ^^true dat, we must be wary of Dalmat 2mrw at white Heart lane, tried to get a ticket, but i aint paying £90 for 90 mins of footy, £1 a minute? If Henry came to the Seria A he would not have such good consistansy then he already has in the prem well let me see, goals vs Inter and Roma and man of the match on both occassions, away in Italy, who knows, he may just be top scorer there,,,,,,, Performing in Italy is considered of a higher caliber, not for the faint hearted, but i feel Henry is just awesome, he will take it in his stride, no doubt he will not get as much space, but in the prem he gets tooooo much space, he still can manage with very limited space Itlians give. neway bro, been a long week, been on excel all day, now its time for the wknd,,,,,,,, peace Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
@peninsula Posted January 16, 2004 neway bro, been a long week, been on excel all day, now its time for the wknd,,,,,,,, peace lol bro I get you I hate excel too, its soo easy but on the other hand sooo time consuming. If you were in excell all do then I let you go :eek: (joke) well have a nice weekend, atleast its looks likes you can enjoy yours, where I have to revise some exame on Monday (some weekend it will be) but insha allah hope we continue these sort of things. ohh yea one more things, Henry would not find space in Seria A, teams like Chievo N Sampdoria would prove much difficult task for him. Enjoyyy and assalaamu Calykum Northener Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baaniyal Posted January 16, 2004 It seems that Shujui has got a new partner in Peninsula! First and foremost welcome to this forum of Arsenal fans against everyone else. It is quite suprising to see you put "Inzaghi let me back on to you,shirt puller" ahead of Henry. For you to understand Henry,you have to understand Arsenal's game. This is a team that plays ball to feet,with quick movements. There is no aerial prowess in this team,or hoofing the ball upfield for a striker like sheva,inzaghi or kliuvert to head down to their teamate who's making a run. Wenger is trying to develop a whole different style of playing,it is very risky and will take a little more longer to come through. Teams know that the easiest way to stop Arsenal,is by flodding the midfield and sticking a lone striker up front(exactly what Roma,Ajax and Valencia did last season when they came to highbury). Now playing such a cramped game,in a small pitch like highbury would produce a very low scoring game. Henry scored 7 CL goals last season,which was 5 lesser than the leader RVN,playing two whole games lesser than RVN. That had him as the 5th highest scorer in last season's competition. Is that the stat of some mediocre player? Henry doesn't have anyone feed him goals like RVN,Sheva,Inzaghi,raul..etc do. He creates his goals,and supplies them to his teamates. He is the Ruicosta,Scholes,Zidane of Arsenal. Now tell me any other striker that can carry such a weight load? I don't remember hearing of any player that went to Italy two seasons in a row,in the most intimidating stadiums(Stadio Olympico and San Siro),and light it up as he did. Many people are just quite distraught at how a team like Arsenal,who boast a 38,000 seat stadium,and hardly no money,with star players you can count in one hand, do so well and cause so much hysteria all over the world. I remember watching just a few days ago Real Madrid vs Real Socieadad. My god the whole madrid team was poor,they look a different outfit when beckham is absent. Ronaldo and Raul where no where to be seen,Ronaldo couldn't even beat one defender one on one. No wonder he is getting bitter about the Henry coming to Real rumors.This whole issue will be put to rest,once the two biggest teams in the Seria A,come to play Arsenal in the CL. Soon it will come,mark my words! Again if you see yourself questioning Henry's abilities,try getting hold of Javier Zanetti,and ask him about Henry! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thierry. Posted January 16, 2004 Thank you thank you my north london fans I see that however I preform some people (shujui) are still blind to see it. dont need to brag but if i am not the best forward in the world then may the man who is stand up and i will do to him what i did to Danny Mills over the weekend. to all anti gunners dont playa hate just congratulate or have a hatarade Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
@peninsula Posted January 16, 2004 If you had read the previouse posts between me and Northener then you would've have understand why I chose Inzaghi in front of Henry. One must understand when these sort of poll's or awards are giving out, its not down to the popularity or whether he has some fancy shoes. Its all down to consistant performance of big games in the CL and scoring the opportunity m8. I have said this time and time, Henry did score goals in Roma(two were totally fluke, except give him a credit to the freekick) but the rest WHAT DID HE DO FOR ARSENAL when they needed him against crucail games. No tell me! If you believe that "Arsenal" plays some next N new football which the world haven't seen before(joke) and that teams have to play lone striker and pack the midfield with deffencive mind players so in hope the can stop the mightly Arsenal, how come Roma had two players upfront (cassano N Totti) and after Totti's sendoff (Montella, he could have scored the winner as well) Where was Henry???!! Inter had infact three man upfront (Martins, Cruz N V/D Mayde) and the midfield got totally outplayed. I've chosen Inzaghi just becoz he played much better N consistant the Henry (even though I don't like the guy) plz face this fact. And if you claim Henry would have scored more goals the R/V Nistelrooy just because he had less games then him, because of Arsenal shortages, then I sugggest him to move on and go to a team where live is beyond the Group stages m8, don't you agree with me on that. For me Henry has to do more to convince me to be great player then this English overhpypted, overrated N underachieving team says he is. And what more bizare is that you saying Ronaldo is scared for his place just because Henry might join Real, that shows m8, you are blindly in love. Raul N Ronaldo could not play goood just because Mr.Fantastic(oeops :eek: I mean Beckham) wasn't there. hmmm :rolleyes: am sure thats true. And lastly don't make it sound like everyone is agains Arsenal, like they are some greats. Everyone is annoyed by them infact because of the ingorance, the fact is with Arsenal "when the going gets touch, arsenal bottle it big time" and taht facts is illustrated many years in the last couple of CL years. Sorry if I sound disrespectig to anyone!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
@peninsula Posted January 16, 2004 :eek: lol at Thierry ahaah So telll us Henry, do you think you are the best striker in the World???? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
@peninsula Posted January 16, 2004 And sorry for my rudeness; I almost forgot thanx baaniyal for welcoming to this forum bro Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Intel Posted January 17, 2004 uefa.com users' Team of 2003: Gianluigi Buffon (Juventus FC), Paulo Ferreira (FC Porto) Alessandro Nesta (AC Milan), Paolo Maldini (AC Milan), Roberto Carlos (Real Madrid CF), Luís Figo (Real Madrid CF), David Beckham (Real Madrid CF), Zinedine Zidane (Real Madrid CF) Pavel Nedved (Juventus FC), Thierry Henry (Arsenal FC) Ruud van Nistelrooij (Manchester United FC). Coach: José Mourinho (FC Porto). uefa.com users' Team of 2002: Rüstu Reçber (Fenerbahçe SK), Carles Puyol (FC Barcelona), Alessandro Nesta (AC Milan), Cristian Chivu (AFC Ajax), Roberto Carlos (Real Madrid CF), Clarence Seedorf (AC Milan), Michael Ballack (FC Bayern München), Zinedine Zidane (Real Madrid CF), Damien Duff (Blackburn Rovers FC), Thierry Henry (Arsenal FC) Ronaldo (Real Madrid CF). Coach: Senol Günes (Turkey). uefa.com users' Team of 2001: Santiago Cañizares (Valencia CF), Cosmin Contra (Deportivo Alavés), Sami Hyypiä (Liverpool FC), Patrik Andersson (FC Barcelona), Bixente Lizarazu (FC Bayern München), David Beckham (Manchester United FC), Patrick Vieira (Arsenal FC), Zinedine Zidane (Real Madrid CF), Kily González (Valencia CF), Thierry Henry (Arsenal FC), David Trezeguet (Juventus FC). Coach: Gérard Houllier Henry along with Zinedine Zidane one of the only 2 players named in the team three consecutive years. i know that doesn't mean sh#$ but Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thinkerman Posted January 17, 2004 well i cant see for example how Maldini or Buffon or Nesta havent been constants given their excellent performances for Juve n milan/lazio respectively. Can anyone trully say the havent been head and shoulders above the reset of the world in their positions for some considerable time now!!! Uefa is trying to present a balanced picture with players from across the board. Gerrard Houllier??? man i wont even go into that. And Cosmin Contra make it into the team infront of Say Giggs or Zambrotta is a mystery And where is Del Boy and Totti and Samuel?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baaniyal Posted January 17, 2004 how come Roma had two players upfront (cassano N Totti) and after Totti's sendoff (Montella, he could have scored the winner as well) Where was Henry???!! Inter had infact three man upfront (Martins, Cruz N V/D Mayde) and the midfield got totally outplayed Did you even watch the games? Roma's two forwards were playing in the middle,as the midfield players pushed back. They were playing a counterattacking game,yet this is not their style at all. Why did they need to change it only in HIghbury? Same with Valencia who played with John Carew upfront only and was drafted back to the midfield byline,Valencia never play this kind of game! Inter Milan also had all their forwards in the midfield area,Cruz and Martins remained parallel the whole game with ANdy V.Meyde(who is a right winger). Inter scored three goals out of 4 shots,two of the goals were the goalies mistake. I've chosen Inzaghi just becoz he played much better N consistant the Henry (even though I don't like the guy) plz face this fact. And if you claim Henry would have scored more goals the R/V Nistelrooy just because he had less games then him, because of Arsenal shortages, then I sugggest him to move on and go to a team where live is beyond the Group stages m8, don't you agree with me on that. Inzaghi ended up last season with 10-11 CL goals,4 of those goals came against a poor Deportivo side,who are known to be handing gifts in some games for ex. Monaco 8-2 Deportivo. Are you now gonna claim Dado Perso from MOnaco to be a great striker? He did score 4 against Depor too,and i think is the leader in the CL this season. Again Henry scored 7 goals, 3-4 lesser than an Inzaghi who played more games,what proven fact are you talking about. Simple math will show you the goals to game ratio! And what more bizare is that you saying Ronaldo is scared for his place just because Henry might join Real, that shows m8, you are blindly in love. Ronaldo link Like i said it is a rumor,so if true Ronaldo is angry that Real is touting him around to be replaced by Henry. Keep up to date with your transfer articles instead of claiming blind love,lol. the fact is with Arsenal "when the going gets touch, arsenal bottle it big time" and taht facts is illustrated many years in the last couple of CL years. Why should a team with the budget of a first division club be expected to accomplish year in year out against the big money makers of world Football. Do you have the same expectations for Chelsea,Newcastle or Liverpool? All three of those teams have bigger budgets than Arsenal,and have a better collective squad than Arsenal,so what is the key then? What is the key to Arsenal placing in 1st or 2nd since Wenger's reign. Even the big boys of Manchester had to live with third place,in Arsenal's double winning season. Could it be because Arsenal has Henry,and the other's don't? Any real footie fan can tell a good player from a mediocre and a bad one. This is an obvious case of a fans hatred towards a player,clouding his judgement. If you believe that it is all media hype,then why not pick any other player to hype up and see how far they would go with him. Let's see how far they will get praising and hyping up Inzaghi,not far for sure. These days all the talk is about Sheva's form,which is very deserved.Next time you watching Henry play,try watching him with both eyes,rather than one.Great players are not made,they make themselves! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baaniyal Posted January 17, 2004 shujui Gerrard Houllier??? man i wont even go into that. And Cosmin Contra make it into the team infront of Say Giggs or Zambrotta is a mystery And where is Del Boy and Totti and Samuel?? That season Gerrard won five trophies with Liverpool,eventhough three could be thought of as nothing. But still winning the UEFA cup and defeating the CL winners(Real Madrid)in the super cup, is merit enough for him to be placed there. That season Cosmin Contra was probably among the three best players in Europe,no doubt the best Right back or Centre back.He was quite a revelation,until he moved to the seria A. DEl Boy was injured for sometime i think that season,and Trez was running the show. Totti and Samuel got the accolades the season before i think not too sure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thinkerman Posted January 18, 2004 Rokko bro lol henry is the most hypered player since beckham. When u talk about strikers there are many that come before. Shevchenko, Ronaldo, Veiri, even in the premiership Shearer Van Nistilroy, Anelka. Admitedly the fact that he was a winger before means that he creates as much goals as he scores............in the premership. Which doesnt mean much since we all no that the level of footbal in the premeirship is very low on a tecnical and tactical level. Being blessed with Lightning pace and some skill means that he is able to have a laugh in the premier league week in week out. Why doesnt he try his skills and talent againts more worthy opponents in Seria A. I think thats where u will really see what any one is made off. The Best striker in the world at the moment is Shevchenko who is burning a hot trail through the best defenders in the world in Seria And Europe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baaniyal Posted January 18, 2004 This is getting a little too repetitive. Henry doesn't need to go back to the seria A to prove his doubters wrong. he already staked his claim at the stadio olympico and the san siro,what more do u want. Damn y'all are stubborn headed. Talk to me when sheva comes to england and burns a few cockneys.If you think it's just about pace and some skill,then why isn't david Bellion from manchester lighting up the PL? What about the fastest footballer playing,Dennis Rommedhal from PSV,is the Dutch league much more difficult to score in than the PL? How about Mr. Crespo,who was a free scorer in Seria A,and now all he does is miss open nets! Mutu was the rock behind Parma's offense,and scored plenty in the seria A,with Chelsea he isn't doing any better than what he was doing in Parma. The italians need to stop claiming to boast the best defenders,cause if that was the case, Italy would have won something by now. Instead their best defender Nesta had the ball go through his legs for France two goals against Italy in the final,and Maldini was out jumped by a third rate Korean striker in the world cup defeat to South Korea. Stop believeing the hype,English clubs have a field day whenever they play the Italian panzies. That will be the case again in this year's CL if they meet! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thinkerman Posted January 19, 2004 I agree baay these is getting abit too repitiive so i'll leave henry to make more Va Va Voom adds with animal from the The MUPPETS Show . Damn y'all are stubborn headed. Talk to me when sheva comes to england and burns a few cockneys lol yeah your more likely to find Aalex Fergson saying a jakoozi with Arsen wenger than seeing the great man in PensionLeague With all due respect Jay Loyd samuel, and ole Melborg and players of the elk of.....(walaahi i cannot even think of any of these sh** defenders) are not Lilian Thuram or Fabio Cannavaro or Walter Samuel qaulity. Great players like to measure themselves amongts the best. and i dont think money will tmept sheva to here, as much as i would luv to see him live. Man crespo ran from italy precisally because he's end was nie, last year he scored a miserable 3 leage goals all season :confused: , as apposed to 9 champions league goals. And Mutu well i hope i dont come across at all xenphobic but hes romanian and the tepmtations of chealsas millons lured him here. Actually while we are on the subject chealsa are fast becoming the english Inter milan. Mutu was with doubt one of the biggest stars in Seria A scoring free kicks heads long shots and penlaties alike. But yesturday he came on as a sub for joe cole :confused: :confused: F.C.U.K The italians need to stop claiming to boast the best defenders,cause if that was the case, Italy would have won something by now lol i think all my mad rantings have finally got to ya bro. Italy are the second most successfull nation in world soccer what you on about. If your going on recent performances than sure France have been the most successfull european nation. But Italy along side Germany and Holland have the best tradtion and not supprisngly some of the bst players fo world history Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites