Geel_jire Posted March 11, 2008 ^ that is why i was so surprised but i assumed Horn must know what he is talking about ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Che -Guevara Posted March 11, 2008 ^He didn't say anything about Diinta allowing it unless he is equating the Somali culture with Diinta which I believe he is not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Geel_jire Posted March 11, 2008 ^ Yes, hence my question is it allowed ?, to which horn replied it is dhaqan...... i agree some things that fall in dhaqan do not align with the diin but im still curious .... Horn care to explain where this dhaqan is practiced ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jacpher Posted March 11, 2008 ^There's no harm in that but a bit awkward culturally. So Gurey was not only Somali but a product of this marriage? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Geel_jire Posted March 11, 2008 how is there no harm. if it is haram ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NGONGE Posted March 11, 2008 ^^ Why do you think it's haram? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gabbal Posted March 12, 2008 Ngonge, clearly the young man is confused. Geeljire, I encourage you to pick up the Qur'an and try to understand before making claims. Those you are not allowed to marry are called the "mahram" and through marriage, those that become a "mahram" to a woman are the father-in-law (or step-father), the son-in-law, and the step-son. These along with the blood-relation mahram are the individuals a woman would not be allowed to marry. The nephew of a husband is not a "mahram" to a woman so there is no reason why marriage, or dumaal in this case, is not applicable. The only stipulation is that you must wait the prescribed waiting period to make sure the woman is not carrying a child. This is why you must be sure what you are talking about when it comes to diinta. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faarax-Brawn Posted March 12, 2008 Originally posted by HornAfrique: Ngonge, clearly the young man is confused. Geeljire, I encourage you to pick up the Qur'an and try to understand before making claims. Those you are not allowed to marry are called the "mahram" and through marriage, those that become a "mahram" to a woman are the father-in-law (or step-father), the son-in-law, and the step-son. These along with the blood-relation mahram are the individuals a woman would not be allowed to marry. The nephew of a husband is not a "mahram" to a woman so there is no reason why marriage, or dumaal in this case, is not applicable. The only stipulation is that you must wait the prescribed waiting period to make sure the woman is not carrying a child. Cilmigaa kugu yar ma doonayi inaan ku iraahdo balse ka waantoow fudaydka aa doonaysid inaad diinta ku safirtid. Qaladkaad gashay digniin hakuu noqoto. Che, adeer adiguna goormaa kitaabka kuugu danbayse? "Is it allowed diiniyan" ma wax da'aada dadka la waydiiyo baa? Jimcaale, clearly you haven't followed the conversation starting with the article itself. L0L,Waa marad udhamaysay. I think,to be fair to G/Jire & Che,you(folks) need to back up your rebuttals with facts. The burden of proof is on you guys claiming that it aint Haram,yall need to back it up! Youre being vague here,Horn Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gabbal Posted March 12, 2008 Farax, way to go quoting when I edited extensively. As for the "back up", there is no shame in asking that. In fact, the first thing that should come out of your mouth when you hear a religious claim is "where is the daliil" (evidence). Now what needs backing up? That you can or cannot marry your uncle's wife if divorced and/or deceased? Suuratul Nisaa, verses 22 to 23 says: "And marry not women whom your fathers married, except what has already passed; indeed it was shameful and most hateful, and an evil way. Forbidden to you (for marriage) are: your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your father's sisters, your mother's sisters, your brother's daughters, your sister's daughters, your foster mother who gave you suck, your foster milk suckling sisters, your wives' mothers, your step-daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom you have go in - but there is no sin on you if you have not gone in them (to marry their daughters), - the wives of your sons who (spring) from your own loins, and two sisters in wedlock at the same time, except for what has already passed; verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." Those are to whom you are a mahram and cannot marry. Your uncle's wife, if she becomes divorced or a widow is legal for you to marry. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faarax-Brawn Posted March 12, 2008 ^And that is the daliil that is needed for the not so enlightened amongst us. No harm in bringing light forth,No? Most certainly,Laakin,ridiculing & belittling is not a good trait. Walle aad macalin ii noqon lahayn weligey Having said that,Marrying your uncle's wife,is by extent "icky". Lets be honest,yes it maybe halal to do so,Laakin,its borderline incest,who is kidding who here? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gabbal Posted March 12, 2008 The daliil has been posted. Legal verdict is that one is allowed to marry an uncle's divorced or widowed wife. How one judges "icky" is a product of one's environment and not necessarily a universal concept. Therefore, your opinion is yours to formulate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jacpher Posted March 12, 2008 lol@Faarax. Qarxis.com Che, adeer adiguna goormaa kitaabka kuugu danbayse? "Is it allowed diiniyan" ma wax da'aada dadka la waydiiyo baa? Jimcaale, clearly you haven't followed the conversation starting with the article itself. That edit button cancels any replies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gabbal Posted March 12, 2008 Waa hagaag. It is because it seemed belittling that I edited. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Geel_jire Posted March 12, 2008 ^ what's with the childish BS. it seems you are the one dhaqanka aan aqoon u lahayn... haday xalaal tahay xataa. weli su'aashayda kaamadan jawaabin oo ahayd ... somalia xagee loogu dhaqmaa arintaan ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gabbal Posted March 12, 2008 Geeljire, if being a troll is more to your liking, it's your prerogative. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites