me Posted January 5, 2009 Originally posted by Abu_Diaby- Al Falastini: ^^Your idealistic version of "SOmalinimo" is not greatly different from the Carabnimo/Pan Arabism which was peddled by Arab socialist governments. You are right. My Somalinimo Today Somalinimo is just another word to most Somali’s devoid of any meaning. It is a hollow rallying cry from the past that is now mistrusted. If I was asked what Somalinimo means to me 2 years ago I would have given you the usual rehearsed lines of brotherhood, unity, common ancestry, shared identity and a shared future. I would have painted you a picture of how all Somalia’s problems would disappear like snow in the Berbera sun if we had Somalinimo. I would have copy pasted lines from books and articles on nationalism and changed the name of whatever nation that article concerned to Somalia and would have thought yes that’s all we need and I would have been satisfied. But reality sent me back to the drawing board, like all people open to change and growth I too see where I went wrong at this moment I am still at the drawing board trying to figure out what Somalinimo is. Because my Somalinimo I have realized is more then just blind nationalism. I have no copy right on Somalinimo, marka aan ka wada fakarno what it is, what it means to us and how relevant it is to us today and in the future. It is a work in progress and Somalinimo will be what the Somali people want it to be. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ibtisam Posted January 5, 2009 ^^You are convinced that Somalinimo (which by your admission you do not know exactly what is)is what SOMALI PEOPLE WANT? People need knowledge and application of Islam to the T so they can be successful. Don't stress you pretty head dear, Allah already told you and gave you a prescription to follow. You don't need inn aad ka fakaridid or reinvent the wheel. Nationalism has no place in Islam, and concepts such as Somalinimo are just weapons to misguide and then abuse the masses. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
me Posted January 5, 2009 ^ I am convinced that I don't know what the people want as an ideology, but we all know what they need in their daily lives; I am convinced I have no magical bullet or a cure. I am convinced I only want good for the Somali people as a whole. I am convinced that unless we genuinely start working towards how we can bring about peace and justice in Somalia that we will get in even deeper mess then we are in today. But I am also convinced that at the end of the day that there will be peace and that there will be justice and it will be achieved because we will understand root of our problems. Understand that it is a disease that we are fighting, throwing blankets over the symptoms and calling that blanket Somalinimo, Scientific Socialism, regionalism/federalism, Islamism or whatever buzz word that is in the market in that particular time won’t solve anything but misguide us for a short while until we realize that we have been misled once again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ibtisam Posted January 5, 2009 ^^^Which just means, I don't know anything, I just know it is not what we are doing, and we will achieve peace and justice, I just don't know how, but it is based on our own understanding of our problems. Notice I said Allah has given us a prescriptionto follow. Islam is not a blanket nor a buzz word. Its true application has been hijacked. I swear to Allah nothing else would work. You can try democracy, you can try fake Islam, you can try clan set, try what you like, ultimately it is going to end in failure. P.s. At least you've gone off your old tired Somalinimo horse, now if someone can kindly get Xiin off that dead horse as well, it is a right step in the right direction. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NASSIR Posted January 5, 2009 Egypt has the power to close the Suez Canal and choke the global market of its oxygen intake Or the rich but powerless Arabs can threaten to withdraw from the United Nations. But who is Arab other than subjectively held myth of common ancestry? Can a religion , custom, language be of a uniting factor for the common pursuit of national interest. I doubt that since the social relations of Somalis is a case in point. What unites people for a common purpose is the system of governance they adopt to rule their society and that which encourages and rewards hark work, world class education, check on fatalism and population growth, research and development centers, administering tough and harsh rule against the culture of corruption, nepotism, abolishing or at least incorporating the system of monarchy into a symbolic type of a level as a pride and history of the Nation, etc..... However, Egypt's dismal status and emasculation by the west is largely its own making. The people are oppressed and repressed by its own government. Let's not lose hope. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
me Posted January 5, 2009 Originally posted by *Ibtisam*: ^^^Which just means, I don't know anything, I just know it is not what we are doing, and we will achieve peace and justice, I just don't know how, but it is based on our own understanding of our problems. Notice I said Allah has given us a prescription to follow. Islam is not a blanket nor a buzz word. Its true application has been hijacked. I swear to Allah nothing else would work. You can try democracy, you can try fake Islam, you can try clan set, try what you like, ultimately it is going to end in failure. P.s. At least you've gone off your old tired Somalinimo horse, now if someone can kindly get Xiin off that dead horse as well, it is a right step in the right direction. Easy dear, Just because I question my believes don't mean I seized to believe. We should all question our believes and admit when we are wrong. I still believe in Somalinimo, I just believe that it should be renewed in order for it to be relevant for our current situation. Ta labaad, what is according to you real islam and what is fake islam? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Malika Posted January 5, 2009 Xiin is misunderstood by many,his advocacy of peace under unity is first and formost unity through God and brotherhood of men in our case Somali men.Nothing unislamic about such a suggestion at all especially in the case of Somalis,a people of same race,religion,language etc etc. What is so wrong about that ideology yaa Ibti? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NGONGE Posted January 5, 2009 ^^ Everyone is misunderstood, dear. And Ibti there is even worse than Mr ME (well the old one at any rate). She mocks his idea of Somalnimo (an idea with a noble aim) and presents her own idea of Islam (another one with a noble aim) that is as impractical as the first. You need TRUST for either idea to take hold and trust in today's Somalia is in very short supply. The only idea that works and still benefits from trust is the CLAN. Stick to your clans and stop wasting your times, people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ibtisam Posted January 5, 2009 Ngonge I was not advocating it for Somalia, I was erm erm thinking more in global context Malika my dear sis, an ideology can be perfectly good and logical, but impossible or unworkable. what brother Xiin advocates for depends on too many variables, which seem to be heading in different directions, until those variables come together, he is advocating for a mere theory which is unworkable. I like his idea, it is a good idea, but all ideas it is only as good as its proven track record. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fabregas Posted January 5, 2009 @ME, you are one of the good guys, marka jihadka si wad ila SOL la xoreyno. Lakin, support the Muslims and the other oppressed people in the world,including Arabs. WHat's the problem with that lofty goal? if Mecca and Medina was attacked, would you say, " Arab maxa naga galay"?. Similarly, Al Quds is the third holiest sanctuary of Islam and the first Qibla the Prophet prayed to. Ngonge, how did you go from being the innocent Arab-Somali, neutral joker, to a die hard Somaliland supporter and semi clan expert? Oodweyne had that much of an effect huh? lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NGONGE Posted January 5, 2009 Abu D. I was neutral while I was learning the lay of the land. Now that I have an idea of how things stand I could form better opinions, saaxib. By the way, my discussions with my guru never involved clans. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
me Posted January 5, 2009 ^Do you believe that you have ever been a neutral participator when it came SOL debates? and not a secessionist sympethizer? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NGONGE Posted January 5, 2009 ^^ Depends on your understanding of the word 'neutral', saaxib. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
me Posted January 5, 2009 In my books the words sympathizer and neutral do not rhyme. You have been a secessionist sympathizer ever since I noticed your posts in 2006 and that disqualifies you from being neutral. Your a 'moderate' secessionist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ibtisam Posted January 5, 2009 LOOL @ from Sympathizer Secessionist, to a Moderate secessionist. He is now exterem Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
