Battle of The Ideologies for Somalia

[SayidSomal]

^ sikastabe anigu waxaan ku arkaa SOL dad wada waalan - liiskaasna adigu kor baad kaga jidhaa.

[B]

Originally posted by ailamos:

quote:Originally posted by GDwonder:

Interesting topic Mr. B, what I know is that, Islam was introduced to Somalia long before even Arabian peninsula get the message, this means before Egypt, Syria, and the rest. We as a people never had any issues with the faith, and it blended perfectly with our heritage. We didn't lose our language like so many places around the world that totally has been taken over by the outsider figure -which ever it maybe. Our current problem is the new conquest by wahabis to dismantle every good aspect of our life, and replace it with religious dogma, so we can ever be followers, what a shame that this is being done by nobody else but people who claim to be Somalis.

Spot on GD. We must unclench ourselves from the radicalism coming out of Saudi Arabia. We must go back to our own language and traditions.

 

Originally posted by B:

Even if we accept these ideas and values wholeheartedly, we need to reconfigure it to suit our needs and make it work for ‘us’ as opposed to the way it was used and practised in its place of origin. We are different people and as such carefully considerations need to be made when importing a new ideology.

Nice, the re-invention of concepts of governance, the Somali experiment

 

Originally posted by B:

We need to have a true expression of Islam. The only way this could be found is through the use of Somali language in translating the Quran in Somali rather than Arabic. Why do we need an intermediary ( Arabic language) to pray to Allah? Why is it read and only accepted in Arabic.

Because it says in Surat Yusuf:

"Indeed, We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur'an that you might understand."

 

Prayers must be said in Arabic because the Quran was revealed in that language. The use of Somali in prayers makes sense to me though, that it would be easier for people to understand what they are reading instead of mumbling words that mean nothing to them. Hence knowing their religion better.

 

Originally posted by B:

We need to find whatever existed in pre-Islamic Somalia and recreate/replicate it, at least there that was something 'our' ancestors created rather than being imported wholesale from different places from the world.

I'm not sure if Somalis had a "3asr al jahiliyyah" like the Arabs but if we did then going back to pre-Islamic times would negate our Muslim identity wouldn't it? However, I think with 1300 years of Islam, we have created our own unique identity which was shattered in 1991 and replaced with something that is alien to us.

Excellent ideas my friend. Glad to see that even an ardent secularist like you can see beyond all these imported ideals (your stance being induced by religion). We must go back to basic and denounce all foreign ideas. we need to create a new sense of nationhood based on Somali folk-lore and customs of our ancestors. The conquerors have taken away our sense of self and replaced and given us their own values and ideals. There is cultural genocide being committed in somalia by Islam. The last pockets of what remains of our customs should be protected. Islam calls for uniformity and wants a strict regiment of values, this is impossible to enforce, we are different people whose psyche has been hijacked by the hoarders who have come to our land and destroyed our way of life.

 

We need to have a plurality-conscious society, where customs, religion and sociocultural values all have the same influence and weighing. Where emphasis is put on resorting the cultural origins of the people first before any foreign ideas are welcomed.

[General Duke]

The conquerors have taken away our sense of self and replaced and given us their own values and ideals. There is cultural genocide being committed in somalia by Islam

When did Arab's conquor Somalia? Adeer you need to think before you write.

[Gheelle.T]

Is English language foreign idea as well, Mr. B?

[N.O.R.F]

Geelle hit the nail on the head.

 

Dad aan af somaali aqoon ayaa ku leh 'Islam is a foreign import'.

[B]

Originally posted by General Duke:

quote: The conquerors have taken away our sense of self and replaced and given us their own values and ideals. There is cultural genocide being committed in somalia by Islam

When did Arab's conquor Somalia?

Adeer you need to think before you write.

The marauders came at different times and used different methods of colonialisation. Using only violence to perpetuate their aims is not an exception. They used ‘soft’ power techniques to penetrate the east coast of Africa including trading and commerce but often masquerading as missionaries. Even using Arab-based Somali Diaspora counts as a form of transplantation of the Arab religion, customs and values into Somalia.

[Polanyi]

Originally posted by B:

quote:Originally posted by General Duke:

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The conquerors have taken away our sense of self and replaced and given us their own values and ideals. There is cultural genocide being committed in somalia by Islam

When did Arab's conquor Somalia?

Adeer you need to think before you write.

The marauders came at different times and used different methods of colonialisation. Using only violence to perpetuate their aims is not an exception. They used ‘soft’ power techniques to penetrate the east coast of Africa including trading and commerce but often masquerading as missionaries. Even using Arab-based Somali Diaspora counts as a form of transplantation of the Arab religion, customs and values into Somalia.

So if the prophet Muhammad(saw) came to Somalia to spread Islam would you call him an Arab coloniser or invader?

 

 

ps. it is widely believed that the companions of rasulullah migrated to Abysnia through the port of Zeila and some historians say Islam penetrated the Somali coast before some other places in the Middle East.

[B]

Originally posted by Gheelle.T:

Is English language foreign idea as well, Mr. B?

English is also my intellectual heritage. Although foreign in nature, it’s a by-product of Somalia’s complex histories. I use the language not as an acceptance of oppression and English hegemony but as a 'tool' of defence to articulate my perspective against them.

[Haatu]

B you are lost sxb. Our forefathers accepted Islam by their own accord, NO ONE FORCED THEM. You clearly have no knowledge of Somali history.

[B]

Originally posted by Karl_Polanyi:

quote:Originally posted by B:

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Originally posted by General Duke:

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The conquerors have taken away our sense of self and replaced and given us their own values and ideals. There is cultural genocide being committed in somalia by Islam

When did Arab's conquor Somalia?

Adeer you need to think before you write.

The marauders came at different times and used different methods of colonialisation. Using only violence to perpetuate their aims is not an exception. They used ‘soft’ power techniques to penetrate the east coast of Africa including trading and commerce but often masquerading as missionaries. Even using Arab-based Somali Diaspora counts as a form of transplantation of the Arab religion, customs and values into Somalia.

So if the prophet Muhammad(saw) came to Somalia to spread Islam would you call him an Arab coloniser or invader?

 

 

ps. it is widely believed that the companions of rasulullah migrated to Abysnia through the port of Zeila and some historians say Islam penetrated the Somali coast before some other places in the Middle East.

My friend my concern here is not who spreads this 'foreign ideology, who propagates and how it got there but the fact that it’s become part and parcel of Somalia history. It’s irrelevant that Somalis becomes Muslims before parts of the Middle Eastern but ultimately the customs of our ancestors has been replaced by foreign values that have no respect for the indigenous culture that flourished there before their arrival.

 

If the Prophet sent invaders or envoys there is no difference. The fact remains that they came with the same intention and that was to replace what was already in existence.

[Tuujiye]

Haatu do you watch dadkaan oo tea partiga ka qeel qeeliyo oo obama monkey ugu yeera ama carab Kenyan? saaxiib soo ninkaan iyo Ailomos kuwaas oo kale ma aha lool... They have no aqoon about Somalia iyo historigeeda markaas bee nala imaadeen wax yaalaha ee maqlaan oo Islam lugu caayo....

 

B I can't call you a gaal but you need to study sxb ee stop listining to others.. read sxb the books tell the truth not TV. don't blinded by the hate people keep on spreading about Islam...

 

 

Wareer Badanaa!!!

[NGONGE]

^^ War wax maqla dee. Ninkaan xita gaal sax maaha. Wa qabqableh. Anything to shock. Hala murmin, ka maaddso.

[B]

Originally posted by Haatu:

B you are lost sxb. Our forefathers accepted Islam by their own accord, NO ONE FORCED THEM. You clearly have no knowledge of Somali history.

According to whom? Were Somalis ripe and ready for exploitation, was it the perfect ground to transplant a new ideology? Did they wholeheartedly accept what the foreign preached without question? Was there no resistance to foreigners?

 

History has shown that where there is occupier, there will also be resistance, whether it was Arabs, Ethiopians or white colonisers.

[Haatu]

Tuujka Xaaji: Sxb in badan baan ka aamusey oo u dul qaatey, laakiin hadda dulqaadka wuu iga dhamaadey. Diinta haddey ka baxeen, bannaanka ha naga istaagaan, caydooda looma dulqaadan karee. Intii diinta weli ku jirta oo laakiin aan ku qancin, ha ogaadaan in Illaah uu ka koreeyo oo uu ogyahey waxa wadnahooda ku jiro.

[Haatu]

B, there were no colonisers. Stop fantasizing about bygone eras and smell the coffee. We are Muslim. We are happy with our religion. But are you?

 

Clearly you are trying to apply logic to the religion.