Blessed Posted April 13, 2007 By Monica Chadha BBC News, Mumbai Women civil servants in India have expressed shock at new appraisal rules which require them to reveal details of their menstrual cycles. Under the new nationwide requirements, female officials also have to say when they last sought maternity leave. Women civil servants say the questions are a gross invasion of privacy. One told the BBC she was "gobsmacked". Annual appraisals and health checks are mandatory in India's civil service. The ministry was unavailable for comment. But one of its most senior bureaucrats was quoted in the press as saying the new questions had been based on advice from health officials. 'No words' The questions at the root of the controversy are on page 58 of the new appraisal forms for the current year issued by the federal Ministry for Personnel, Public Grievances and Pensions. I have no intention of telling them anything about my personal life Sharwari Gokhale, Maharashtra environment secretary Women officers must write down their "detailed menstrual history and history of LMP [last menstrual period] including date of last confinement [maternity leave]," the form says. Women working in the civil service told the BBC the government had no need for this kind of personal information. "I am completely shocked!" said Sharwari Gokhale, environment secretary in western Maharashtra state. "I have absolutely no words to describe how I feel and I have no intention of telling them anything about my personal life. "It's gob smacking." Ms Gokhale said she had also served in the personnel department at the ministry which drafted the new forms and, while the health of officials was always a concern, asking such questions never crossed their minds. 'Natural phenomenon' Maharashtra's joint secretary for general administration, Seema Vyas, agreed that the new questions were uncalled for. I assume this will help evaluate the officer's fitness Satyanand Mishra, Personnel department secretary "Menstrual cycles are a natural phenomenon, they are not an aberration. One does not object to questions related to fitness levels - they are important as they can affect work. "But there is no need for these details as this does not have any bearing on our work," she told the BBC. "When we apply for maternity leave, we put in the appropriate application and the government already has those records so why ask again?" HAVE YOUR SAY There are some things that employers don't need to know and this is one of them Stacey, USA She said she and her colleagues were thinking of writing a letter to the authorities protesting at the questions. Despite repeated attempts, the BBC was unable to speak to the head of the personnel department, Satyanand Mishra. The Hindustan Times newspaper quoted him as saying the questions were based on advice from the Ministry of Health. "We sought the ministry's help to draw up a health-history format. I assume this will help evaluate the officer's fitness," he told the paper. Story from BBC NEWS:Source Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buuxo Posted April 24, 2007 this is outrageous, if they did reveal their LMP what does that tell them??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roobleh Posted April 24, 2007 ^when to ask her out for a dinner! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buuxo Posted April 25, 2007 ^^^looool if that is to avoid her pmsing then , im sorry no time is a good time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roobleh Posted April 25, 2007 my dear buuxo, their happiest moments are when not in the period! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blessed Posted April 26, 2007 ^LOL. Waxbaa kaa si ah. This is crass crazy. I don't know how it relates to appraisal. :confused: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Che -Guevara Posted April 26, 2007 It seems wherever they are, women and girls are getting the wrong end of the deal. I use to think Somalia dishes out most abuse to women, but some cultures out there are amazingly worse, and frightening. As Mauritanian nomads drift to the city, modern life is beginning to challenge one of their most cherished traditions - the force-feeding of young girls. Under a patchwork tent in Kiffa, on the western edge of the Sahara desert, a nomadic woman called Braika crossed two sticks around my ankles and squeezed the ends together with rope until I yelped in pain. She was showing me how she forced her daughters to swallow litres of milk and mountains of couscous for days on end until they developed wings of fat hanging from their arms and their skin was traced with silvery stretch-marks - attributes considered the height of feminine beauty in Mauritania. "They eat and eat, and drink and drink, and when they can't eat anymore we pinch them and sometimes they vomit," Braika said. "When they vomit on purpose, we make them eat the vomit to teach them not to do it again." Braika proudly wobbled her flabby arms and showed off her own stretch-marks. She did not feel guilty about force-feeding her daughter. She assured me that once the ordeal was over the girls were grateful, because nicely fattened up they could take their pick of husbands. "A thin girl could be blown away in the wind, people think she is a stick and she will never find a husband," she said. Nomads believe a fat girl is a healthy girl. But in reality, obesity has reached epidemic proportions among Mauritanian women and it is killing them. Barely into their 40s, fattened women are dying from obesity-related diseases such as diabetes and heart failure. Government warnings Mounina Mint Abdalla is a health consultant who worked for years with the government trying to stamp out force-feeding. But she acknowledged that government radio sketches warning women of the dangers of obesity have had little effect on a society where fatness is revered as a symbol of nobility and good breeding. Nonetheless, force-feeding and the nomadic way of life is fast disappearing, said Mounina. "The country has been hit by years of drought and we simply don't have that kind of quantity of milk now, or the time it takes," she added. Zeid, a nomad in the market town of Aleg, said he was thinking of trading his last remaining goats and camels for a passage to the city. "We are in deep crisis," he said. "The price of the food is becoming so high, that we can't afford to feed ourselves, and for this reason we cannot feed the animals. "The only thing we can do is move to the city." Quick fix Women come to the market to buy steroids for their daughters In the market in the capital Nouakchott, Mounina pointed to all the women working in the stalls selling everything from brightly coloured veils to fake Chanel sunglasses. "Just 15 years ago, women didn't work at all but now all these women are working because life in the city is very expensive," she said. But despite this, women are still finding ways of fattening themselves up. A pill-seller said he could not count the number of women who buy steroids meant for cattle. "Some come and buy 20 boxes in one go," he said. But if force-feeding creates problems for women in later life, the cattle steroids can be an instant killer. Side-effects include renal failure and heart attacks. Dr Maagouiya, the general surgeon at Nouakchott's main hospital said that without autopsies - which are not permitted in Mauritania - he cannot be sure how many lives the steroids have claimed but he believes the figure is high. Yet mothers still come to him to request pills for their daughters, believing that thin girls are shameful because they look "sick". To be "sick" is often a euphemism for having HIV/Aids in Africa. The message is getting through to some Mauritanian women, like Mounina's nieces who have started exercising around the stadium as the sun goes down. But they seemed to be doing it reluctantly and said they were trying to lose weight purely for health reasons, not because it would make them more attractive. Dr Mougiya said he encounters the same attitude when he holds seminars trying to persuade obese women to slim down. "They tell me that if they lose weight their husbands will leave them because everyone knows that in Mauritania men prefer a fat woman." Global influences One thing is finally beginning to shake up popular attitudes to fatness - the explosion of Arab satellite channels obliterating the monopoly held until recently by the state channel. It was a big moment in Mounina's house when I visited - it was the final of Star Academy, the talent music show by the Lebanese music channel LBC. Mounina's teenage daughters told me they do not want to be fat like their cousins who are only a few years older then them. They said they want to be "a normal size" like the Lebanese pop stars. "Now Mauritanian men are looking at Lebanese singers and starting to compare them with us," said 19-year-old Aicha. "They look at their wives and say 'why aren't you like those singers?' There are some who've got divorced because of those Lebanese singers. "The men say to their wives 'why are you fat, why aren't you like Britney Spears?" The lifestyle in Mauritania is changing fast - donkey carts and fruit stalls in Nouakchott are giving way to fast-food restaurants. In "Burger Hot" I met a group of men who were not sure that Mauritania's love affair with thin men and fat women is completely over. "If you're an overweight man, women make jokes about you. They say that you look like a woman. "But if you tell them to lose weight they don't believe you. "They say you are out of your mind, that you are trying to trick them because they know men here don't like thin ladies." But another man said that no matter how many images of slimmer women are beamed into Mauritanian living rooms, former nomads are too set in their ways to ever fully accept a foreign standard of beauty. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Che -Guevara Posted April 26, 2007 Finger clamp Souadou’s fingers are often clamped between two sticks, a frequently-used instrument of torture. This, her grandmother explains, will stem her urge to vomit by distracting her with some local pain. Officially, force-feeding is said to have disappeared after government health campaigns pronounced it wrong, but the message has yet to reach some remote areas of Mauritania. Bulimia The girls' stomachs are stretched to the limit, prompting violent pain and vomiting. Souadou vomits a lot. "I’m afraid of losing my ability to stand," she says, "of becoming a cripple." She is right to be afraid. Another few years and she could find herself in hospital. web page Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites