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Organ theft in UK Hospitals

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NinBrown   

People keep telling me stories of organ theft in people undergoing operations in UK hospitals, such that people are worried to have operations for such things as broken limbs.

 

Has anyone come across this? If it’s a myth, why is prevalent amongst our community?

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Salaams Ninka Brownka ahow - how have you being??

 

have people being refusing to let you operate on them and coming with weird excuses? smile.gif

 

couple years ago - i had an operation for tonsiles and these women from imperil college wanted the tissue they removed to study on - i said - of course you can have them as long as you wont it or feed to your dog

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NinBrown   

Sayid...not too bad.

 

This is just a common misconception I have come across, wanted to know what other SOLers thought.

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Saalam Ninbrown,

 

This is an issue that has gained a lot of attention recently in 'our' community. I heard from reliable sources that there have been a number of incidents involving Somali people. The most common according to my source is the theft of ovaries in somali women. This has happened a number of times and whats more its usually involves young fertile somali women. Some of these victims become infertile after they are operated on and their ovaries are removed or stolen. There are reported incidents in a number of hostipals in East London and South London.

 

Unfortunately many of these victims are unaware until they try to conceive a baby. Many put it down to an Act of God but there is a deliberate ploy to remove the ovaries of young beautiful Somali women.

 

I have also heard that a number of people have lost their kidneys in bizarre medical operations.

 

More bizarre medical mishaps being substantiated as I write this comment.... Will find more inshallah!

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Cara.   

^LOL. Somalis in London seem to suffer from mass hysteria and belief in strange urban legends.

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N.O.R.F   

^They do. Sheeko wax aan aheen ma hayaan.

 

Knew an old lady who refused to be operated on (heart op) because she thought her time was up (as well as not wanting the male docs to touch her). Ilaahay ha u naxaristo.

 

NB, there is alot of misinformation in the Somali community. You have your work cut out methinks.

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Nephissa   

I started a verysimilar thread few years back.

 

I've seen people extremely terrified of CT scans for their head. Not because of the test result wuxuu noqon doono, maskaxda inlagala baxaa ay u moodaan!

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Cara, Norf, Nephissa - These things happen and there a number of legal proceedings happening right now as we speak. To say that Somali people believe in urban legends shows your disconnection with the on-goings of your community. There is also a tendency of people mistrusting the health care system but this is justified as a number of studies have proven.

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NinBrown   

Marx

How does this snatching of organs happen. I accept there might communication problems, but removal of healthy organs without consent is difficult to believe.

 

Imagine in a typical operating theater, there many different people present who don't know each other personally and they would all have to collude for this to happen. Nurses, surgeons, anesthetist, ODA and theater runners dont get on at the best of times, so how are they going to collude. Furthermore, retention of diseased organs is also illegal.

 

Anyhow, I would love to see and know how this happens. Its a serious because many people are refusing curative surgery because of this misinformation as Norf says.

 

Marx where are these legal proceedings. Also, why do these healthy, fertile women need operations for in the first instance.

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Ninbrown,

 

I am not familiar with medical operations. I also do not know about how it takes place, but I know of at least a number of Somali people suing the NHS for negligence. The removal of ovaries of Somali women has happened a number of times. This has been authenticated by private health care.

 

That is all I am saying on this matter. Good Luck with your research!

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STOIC   

You gotta be kidding, right? I’d expect such kind of bitter harvest of human body to occur in places like China, India and not in the UK. Lucrative trade in human bodies occurs in place where there is corruption; there is no regard for the moral and ethical guidance of human body!The recognition of propriety right of human tissue is universal.Its not like the members of the healthcare want to blow-up a plane and maybe salvage some body parts for sale.I think in medicine there always will be respect for the body!

 

I remember sitting an anatomy class where we were expected to treat the cardever with RESPECT.It is afterall one of the personal choices people made for their body! I'm not saying This sort of body theft for sale do not occur in the west.It does, but not in operatory room.Recently there was cardever body parts illegally sold for profit by UCLA medical school workers.

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Juxa   

there is deep mistrust between dadkeena and the health profession.

 

i hear daily dad leh such and such doctor gave me wrong treatment. medical negligence claims are notoriously difficult to succeed.

 

Retention of healthy organs, why and how? ma suuq madow baa lagu iibinayaa?

 

after the Alder Hey organs scandal, i think the system has changed alot. now even after post mortem examination (in cases of accident or unexpected deaths) somalida waxa lasiiyaa forms telling them what organs were retained, most are put back before the burial unless it is a tissue or non-organ part, for which burial can take place in accordance with sharciga islaamka)

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NinBrown   

why is there deep mistrust between and dadkeena?

 

Personally I think is due to communication problems, cos if you dont understand whats wrong with you and what treatments your having your trust is reduced. This is not only lack of english but lack of basic medical knowledge i.e whats cancer? whats infection? which body part is effected?

 

what do you guys think?

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Maybe it is about time Somali specialists offer some Health & prevention programs on medias such as Universal TV or even launch a dedicated website.

 

Of course, Islamic figures or practising specialists will garner more trust as the level of ignorance in those issues is indeed bewildering...

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STOIC   

I can not assume that this mistrust is merely the negative result of ignorance among people who know no better, but I’d like to believe that it is the intrinsic elements of life such as customs and culture that has big influence of how Somalis view their health! If you look back how life was back in Somalia (this is pure assumption I’m making here of what I heard) utilization of health services was MINIMAL. I suspect that they are not used to putting all their faith in the health care system.Its going to take them to think away from supernatural explanation of disease causation to a rational explanation of why disease occurs....

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