VIDEO on how Ethiopia (Abyssinia) saved Islam religion

[Oromali]

Finally, i found that video about the story of abyssinian king who sheltered the first followers of Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) many hundred years ago when they were persecuted by Arabs.

 

 

Ethiopia saved the whole religion of Islam but now alShabaab labels Ethiopia the "enemy of Islam"

 

what an irony!

 

fast forward the video to 42 seconds

[N.O.R.F]

He did not save Islam. He saved a number of Muslims and for that he (not Ethiopia) will always be appreciated.

[Fabregas]

Oromali;

 

Ethiopia and Abysnia refers to two seperate entities. Abysnia was an enclave/Christian kingdom which was located in what is today known as northern ethiopia/eritrea. On the other hand Modern day Ethiopia expanded to take over( with the help of European arms and the prohibition of Muslims from importing arms in East Africa) the lands of Somali, Oromos and other peoples. An- Najashi was a righteous and just ruler, which can not be said of the recent Ethiopian leaders who have gone so far as claiming that Somalis are all Ethiopia subjects. Lastly, Muslims believe that the Prophet Muhamad was aided by Allah swt. Humans beings and even a spider were used in this process, but the credit does not go to them for " saving Islam", that is, if one is a Muslim.

[Oromali]

Originally posted by Fabregas:

Oromali;

 

Ethiopia and Abysnia refers to two seperate entities. Abysnia was an enclave/Christian kingdom which was located in what is today known as northern ethiopia/eritrea. On the other hand Modern day Ethiopia expanded to take over( with the help of European arms and the prohibition of Muslims from importing arms in East Africa) the lands of Somali, Oromos and other peoples. An- Najashi was a righteous and just ruler, which can not be said of the recent Ethiopian leaders who have gone so far as claiming that Somalis are all Ethiopia subjects. Lastly, Muslims believe that the Prophet Muhamad was aided by Allah swt. Humans beings and even a spider were used in this process, but the credit does not go to them for " saving Islam", that is, if one is a Muslim.

so according to you, abyssinia is good but ethiopia is bad??

 

anyway, if the amhara/tigray leaders of abyssinia did not save the first muslims from perishing, there would be no islam religion today.

 

 

and the difference between abyssinia and ethiopia is this

 

1.

abyssinia ia was an amhara/tigray populated empire

 

2.

 

ethiopia is an amhara/tigray PLUS oromo, somali populated empire.

 

 

but The politics of both old amhara/tigray led abyssinia and modern ethiopia are controlled by amhara/tigray people.

 

not much difference.

 

you are almost saying modern amharas/tigrays are "enemy of islam"

 

but their amhara/tigray great-great..grandfa thers were "savers of islam"

 

YOU ARE FIGHTING AGAINST COMMON SENSE

[Muriidi]

if U.N. member ethiopia is good,then why are no ethiopian churches found in the big cities...all the churches are located in "baadiyo" far away from the government's direct influence!

 

that place stopped being a "national state" a long time ago...there is an administration that is some sort of containment method for those who don't believe in God and need some form of worldly authority...most conflicts come from the fact that those worldly authorities can't bee absolute and are thus unsatisfactory....ne ver have been and never will be.

[Fabregas]

Oromali;

 

let's keep things simple shall we:

 

1. An Najashi gave some followers of the prophet Muhamad sacntuary. agreed.

 

2. As a consequence of the first,Ethiopia saved Islam. disgareed. why?

 

3. Because the Prophet Muhamad himself stayed, preached, signed treaties, and fought the Quraish chieftans in the Arabian peninsuala. He would have preached and spread Islam regardless of whether or not some of his companions were given sanctuary by the Negus. In fact, some of his own companions were tortured and killed in the Arabian peninsula. He would have kept on his Islamic struggle even if the Negus handed his fleeing companions back to the Quraish who would have killed them without a doubt. Islam doesn't stop with the death of certain individuals of personalities( even the prophet himself) so long as there is one or more Muslim/s remaining on the earth.

 

4. Mostly importantly, Muslims believe that Islam and the Prophet Muhamad was aided and protected by Allah, the almighty, through the use of miracles and sympathetic human beings. Remember the story of how the Quraish chieftans could not go inside his cave due to a spider web. Can we say that a spider saved Islam>? no.

 

5. Lastly, as I said to you before: Najashi was a just ruler, whereas the modern day rulers of the expansionist Ethiopia have mostly been anti-Islam and Anti Somali people in general. The current wars between Ethiopia and Somalis are the result of the Ethiopian army occupying Somali territories. That a king might have once upon a time aided the first followers of Islam is completely irrelevant to this struggle. Unless, of course, you are implying that the Ethiopian state has inherited perpetual righteouness from the Negus- which means that Somalis must be in eternal gratitude/slavery to Ethiopian emperors. I hope you are not.

[Oromali]

Originally posted by Fabregas:

Oromali;

 

let's keep things simple shall we:

 

1. An Najashi gave some followers of the prophet Muhamad sacntuary. agreed.

according to both abyssinian and arab accounts, almost all followers of prophet mohammed (pbuh) were chased out of arab land.

 

common sense also supports the idea that arabs would persecute all prophet followers, not select a few and ignore others

 

Originally posted by Fabregas:

 

 

2. As a consequence of the first,Ethiopia saved Islam. disgareed. why?

 

3. Because the Prophet Muhamad himself stayed, preached, signed treaties, and fought the Quraish chieftans in the Arabian peninsuala. He would have preached and spread Islam regardless of whether or not some of his companions were given sanctuary by the Negus.

it does not matter...all new muslims were also persecuted at that time. maybe you should check the definition of persecution because you are being confused.

 

 

also, for the arabs, the prophet was like a demon, pagan who should be killed.

he was a fugitive.

 

and remember, most of the first muslims who were sheltered by abyssinia/ethiopia mostly WENT BACK to arabia when the conditions improved.

 

thats how islam spread in arabia and many many years later to somali people.

 

 

Originally posted by Fabregas:

 

Islam doesn't stop with the death of certain individuals of personalities( even the prophet himself) so long as there is one or more Muslim/s remaining on the earth.

exactly, and most of those "remaining" muslims of the time when sheltered in ethiopia

 

that is why you find the OLDEST Negash mosque in ethiopia and also the oldest scripts

 

Originally posted by Fabregas:

 

 

4. Mostly importantly, Muslims believe that Islam and the Prophet Muhamad was aided and protected by Allah, the almighty, through the use of miracles and sympathetic human beings.

agreed ofcourse.

 

Originally posted by Fabregas:

Remember the story of how the Quraish chieftans could not go inside his cave due to a spider web. Can we say that a spider saved Islam>? no.

LOL very weak argument, weak example.. lol

 

you should just say that you are very mad that ethiopians helped to save and spread islam religion in the world.

 

you should just say you don't like ethiopians who saved islam just because they are ethiopians. instead of writing funny comments lol

 

 

Originally posted by Fabregas:

 

 

5. Lastly, as I said to you before: Najashi was a just ruler, whereas the modern day rulers of the expansionist Ethiopia have mostly been anti-Islam and Anti Somali people in general.

you still joking

 

nejashi the king of amhara/tigray ancestors was the heritage of the amharas/tigrays you hate.

funny "islamists" are trying to kill descendants of the savers of islam

 

and you can't embrace negash and his leadership and deny their amhara/tigray identity and deny their historical role for modern day ethiopians. that is like saying past historical somali leaders have nothing to do with today's somalis.

your argument doesn't make sense.

 

anyway, if you are smart, you would know that around 15% (almost 5 million) amharas are muslim today, even if the majority are chrsitians.

 

at the end of the day, it was not a muslim amhara/tigray that sheltered the first muslims. it was the amhara/tigray christians YOU HATE who saved and sheltered first muslims.

so in honesty, the religion of the abyssinians never mattered. it was the principle of tolerance and brotherhood that mattered over 1600 years ago.

sadly, we kill eachother today in the horn of africa.

 

Originally posted by Fabregas:

The current wars between Ethiopia and Somalis are the result of the Ethiopian army occupying Somali territories.

are you joking??

i have oromo and somali mix ancestors and i remember many years ago when listening about somali expansion from oromo oral tradiion.

 

if you read current events, even today somalis are kiling the Borana oromo and other oromos and have occupied ancient oromo land.

 

According to Oromia National Academy, somalis are colonizing Oromo territory today

 

 

According to somalis, oromia would be smaller and Oga*den is bigger

 

 

so who is colonizing who??

 

 

Originally posted by Fabregas:

that the Ethiopian state has inherited perpetual righteouness from the Negus- which means that Somalis must be in eternal gratitude/slavery to Ethiopian emperors. I hope you are not. [/QB]

i was not. i actually forgot about that one. lol

 

but now that you reminded me, do you know Prophet mohammed (pbuh) said nobody should wage JIHAD on ethiopia/abysinia?

 

 

also read about the abyssinian Bilaal

http://www.msapubli. com/affiliated/Html/ categories/Jamiatul_ ulama/bilaal.html

[Goodir]

^You are the first Oromo I come across who is agruing Ethiopia favorably. Not to mention an Oromo being from Greater Somalia. Most Oromos I meet don't identify as Ethiopians let alone speak highly of it. You must be one unique Oromo.

 

Let me come back to the Shabaab argument later but your claim Ethiopia saved Islam is a distorted piece of historical reference. Ethiopia could not have saved Islam if Islam need a savior. Because Islam was born way before Ethiopia named itself Ethiopia. Back in those days when some Muslims were fleeing prosecution and migrated to the Land of Habasha, modern day Ethiopia, out of fear of harm, they were taking up a journey to safeguard their own protection and practice their religion freely. This migration was not about saving Islam, nor about Ethiopia or Ahmara or Tigre saving Islam. The label Ethiopia did not exit yet. They were encouraged to go for the possibility of finding a just Christian King who lets them practice their religion freely. This was the sole purpose of their trip, not about saving Islam. If that was not the case, the founder of islam, prophet Mohammed scw and all his followers would have fled [to Ethiopia] too.

 

 

That Christian king did not send them back and simply let them stay in his kingdom to practice their religion without any fear. The founder of Islam, Mohamed scw stayed in Makkah and so were most of his followers. What you misunderstood was this was a time when armed struggle was not permitted in Islam. So Muslims had no option but to flee. Islam was not anywhere close to extinction. If those migrated were to vanish, you still had plenty Muslims living in Makkah.

 

Najashi may have saved few fleeing Muslims from sending back to prosecutors way but he did not save religion of Islam. If you want to give Ethiopia the credit of this king's lifetime achievement, I am sure you can find other greatness of the king other than giving refuge to fleeing minorities. That does not say much about the kingdom's contribution to humanity.

[Ibtisam]

"islamists" are trying to kill descendants of the savers of Islam

So? What is your point, actions and deeds are not inherited in Islam, if your father did good or was a good man, it does not automatically mean you are good or deserve the same level of treatment or respect. An- Najashi was a righteous and just ruler, who against the advise of his council decided to mediate and follow the right path between the Muslims and the Qurashi who were asking for them back. He was a practicing Christian. Current Ethiopia and its whole population could not equal the good in his little finger, nor do they deserve any credit or thanks for anything he did. It is a weak argument. Stuff iyo nonsense waa siid laa yiidi.

[Che -Guevara]

Kid is Somali-Friend if anyone remembers him.

 

Oramali...You come to kill, rape, and pillage my land and people, I'm gonna go Ahmed Gurey on your @ss even you are the descendents of the Prophet (PBUH) Himself let alone Habashis who came to occupy all Somali lands.

 

And if you think we are occupying Oromo land, pick a gun or shut it.

[Abtigiis]

Oromali is not an Oromo. No Oromo romanticises that part of Ethiopian history. It is considered a Northern (Tigray/Amhara issue). So, people, don't waste your time on this imposter. He is Axmaar or Tigre. But the problem is anyone can claim to be an oromo on account of their large population.

 

Or perhaps this guy is Showa_Oromo, who are enslaved by the Amhara. These guys have no sense of identity and had changed their names from Dufera to Abebe.

[Chimera]

His logic is the same as an Iranian - in a alternative reality where Iran is occupying a chunk of Tel aviv, Israel - telling an Israeli not to attack 'him and Iran' because Cyrus the Great saved his Jewish ancestors from the Babylonians in ancient times.

 

The only reason why Islam has become a majority religion in modern Ethiopia is because of the hard labour of Somali scholars and leaders, from Sheikh Hussein the most popular saint of muslim Ethiopia to Nur Ibn Mujahid the patron saint of Harar.

 

Oromali what's your opinion of the fact that Rashidun Caliphs not long after Prophet(pbuh) died attacked Axum territory and permanently occupied the Dahlak archipelago and most of the coastal Aksumite cities such as Adulis in Eritrea?

[Abtigiis]

None of Sheikh Hussien or Imam Nur were Somali's, dear Adam. I like your patriotism but let us not lay claim to what is not ours. Imam Nur is a Harari, and Sh. Hussien is from Wollo. No one ever said they are Somali's.

[Oromali]

Originally posted by Goodir:

^You are the first Oromo I come across who is agruing Ethiopia favorably. Not to mention an Oromo being from Greater Somalia.

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what makes you think that i think FAVORABLY of everything ethiopia??

 

i only wrote about ONE (ONLY ONE) part of Islam history which corresponds with ethiopian history.

 

You have to find a way to separate politics from history.

 

History is just history and the abyssinians/ethiopia ns saved first muslims in history and saved the religion.

 

by the way, if you know more about oromo history, you will understand that northern Oromos (raya oromos) share the history of northern ethiopia (northern tigray/amhara)

 

check your encyclopedia

 

 

Originally posted by Goodir:

Most Oromos I meet don't identify as Ethiopians let alone speak highly of it. You must be one unique Oromo.

it depends which oromo you talk to and from where they come from.

 

some muslim oromos in the western ethiopia and eastern diredawa think favorably about ethiopia

 

but most oromo muslims in the south and far east think NEGATIVELY about ethiopia

 

and remember 30% of oromos are members of ethiopian orthodox church.

 

the other group are 20% protestant-christian oromos. some of them think positive but most think negative about ethiopia historically.

 

Then you have to know about regions of Oromia.

 

do you know the history of YEJJU Oromos and Wollo Oromos?

 

The Yejju Oromos ruled amharas and ethiopian empire over 200 years ago (check history of Yejju in Gondar)

 

And the Wollo Oromos worked with amharas to rule for many years. In fact, Emperor Haile selassie's mother was from the muslim wollo oromo.

 

you also have the shoaa oromos like machaa who held power in modern ethiopia.

 

do you know the story of shoa oromo Ras Gobena??

this oromo leader worked with amhara leader menelik when they conquered arsi oromos and gojjam amharas together.

 

so there are different stories from oromia. many oromos still support OLF. i also support OLF in principle but not in its failed armed policy. it is really a shame and very sad that the minority ogden are relatively more successful with ONLF than oromos are with OLF.

 

Originally posted by Goodir:

Because Islam was born way before Ethiopia named itself Ethiopia. Back in those days when some Muslims were fleeing prosecution and migrated to the Land of Habasha, modern day Ethiopia, out of fear of harm, they were taking up a journey to safeguard their own protection and practice their religion freely. This migration was not about saving Islam, nor about Ethiopia or Ahmara or Tigre saving Islam. The label Ethiopia did not exit yet. .

Well, What you need is just to read a book. Remove the political cloud in your mind and start to read history instead of making up history.

 

The Kingdom of Aksum in northern Ethiopia used the name "ETHIOPIA" in the 4th century. Long time before Islam was born.

 

This is history 101.

 

Originally posted by Goodir:

They were encouraged to go for the possibility of finding a just Christian King who lets them practice their religion freely. This was the sole purpose of their trip, not about saving Islam. If that was not the case, the founder of islam, prophet Mohammed scw and all his followers would have fled [to Ethiopia] too.

 

agreed on the first part.

 

on the second part, i think you must wrote that in your sleep because our whole discussion began AFTER we accepted history that says most of prophet's followers fled to ethiopia to find protection. ofcourse a few of his followers who respected the RULE of the pagan arabs by not practicing islam could stay and survive in arab land. but those followers who continued to practice islam in mass went to ethiopia and they were sheltered there.

 

about the prophet staying there in the hiding, well one or two individuals can always manage to hide. that is not hard to be a successful fugitive in the old days lol

so ofcourse a couple here and there might have stayed hidden in arab land. but most muslims went to ethiopia and saved the religion from perishing.

 

Originally posted by *Ibtisam:

Current Ethiopia and its whole population could not equal the good in his little finger, nor do they deserve any credit or thanks for anything he did.

not only did christian ethiopians saved islam, some of them also accepted islam as their own religion.

even the orthodox christian dominated ethnic amharas had a minority islam for many centuries. today over 5 million amharas are muslims.

 

 

Originally posted by Che -Guevara:

Kid is Somali-Friend if anyone remembers him.

 

Oramali...You come to kill, rape, and pillage my land and people, I'm gonna go Ahmed Gurey on your @ss even you are the descendents of the Prophet (PBUH) Himself let alone Habashis who came to occupy all Somali lands.

 

And if you think we are occupying Oromo land, pick a gun or shut it.

remember Ahmed Gurey army also had muslim afars and oromos. so don't confuse ahmed gurey as somali only empire. Ahmed Gurey was being helped by afars, oromos and also foreigners like ottoman empire and arabs.

 

the christian empire was being helped by foreigners too like portugal.

 

anyway, at the end, Ahmed Gurey was destroyed and his head was cut off when the christian empire celebrated the victory.

 

anyway, i agree that oromos can remove somalis from their occupied land. by the way, BORENA OROMOS HAVE ALREADY STARTED BATTLING SOMALIS AS OF THE END OF LAST YEAR.

 

in general, don't tell modern Oromos to fight Somalis.

 

I don't like war and violence because violence is stup'id in this 21st century.

[Abtigiis]

You say Raya? I see Raya- Azebo? How could I miss that? I knew you were from Gonder or close to it. Or perhaps Wollo. I knew you are not pure Oromo. The noble blood of Dambi-Dollo, Ambo, or Arsi!

 

So, why do you pretend you are still Oromo, when Raya is not anymore part of Ormoia?

 

Come clean, confess you are Getachew or Giday, and then let us talk history from there on.