Turkish do things their way. No Coronavirus restriction for 18-20 Yearolds. Dumb or Brilliant?

[Old_Observer]

Coronavirus
Turkey exempts young workers from pandemic confinement order
"Public and private sector employees as well as seasonal agricultural workers aged between 18 and 20 will be exempted"

1. The 18-20 year olds could be carriers and make the whole country sick, but not get sick themselves. That would be dumb.

2. The 18-20 could keep the country functioning and with some smart protective masks, medications, decontaminations, disinfectants keep safe. Most Brilliant.

We will see with in a month. But then what is to lose, people will get sick anuyway, but at least the 18-20s can deliver food, medicine, basic needs..etc.

[galbeedi]

Actually Turkey is doing better than I thought. They shut down major provinces like Istanbul where most of the cases are. 

With over 24,000 cases, their death rate is less than 2%  which among the lowest. in the world.  As of yesterday they had 501 death per 24,000. That is good news.

When Italy had 25,00 cases their death toll was over 4,000. Another good sign in Turkey is their recovery rate is doubling every day. Turkey is similar to Canada.

The virus is manifesting differently in many parts of the world. In Germany, with almost 90,000 cases their death tall is just over a thousand. THeir rate just over 1% of fatalities. In Spain they 130,000 cases and fatalities of 12,600 which is 9%.

In Canada our fatality rates are just little over 1%. So far We are managing really well. Quebec which is close to New York and have extensive flight connections with FRance and Italy is the worst place in Canada with 60% of the cases.

 

 

[Old_Observer]

5 hours ago, Oodweyne said:

Suldan Erdogan of Anatolia is hoping that "herd Immunity" will be what will safe his folks and therefore his brutal calculation is that those young people will make it through if they catch this virus. Whilst on the other hand, the old will simply have to get to whatever deadly fate that is likely to be coming their way.

It's nothing less than a form of "modern Darwinian selection" being imposed by the government on to the population in the hope that they young will weather the storm of this virus and will eventually develop antibodies large enough to have a "herd immunity" sort of thing when the storm passes on, even if in the mean-time the virus will take a really and painful toll on the weak and the aged ones in Turkey.

It's the stuff in which wannabe-dictator of Brazil is also banking on it. Which is why both States of Turkey and Brazil, there is no large-scale testing going on publicly as well as tracing-back the contours of those who are positive in this COVID-19 in-terms of who they did come contact with while they were carrying this virus.

Hence, you can say that it's like, in every sense of it, a large-scale "social experiment" that is now taking place across the world and in many countries, where each country is doing different things.

Some are ruthless enough and are waiting to ride it out this virus to the other side without doing anything to "flatten the curve" of this infection with large scale health and social intervention in the mean-time. Some are the like the Chinese, who are doing a government's lockdown on a massive scale of every virus hot-spots. And others, like the Yanks, are losing the plot altogether and they do not know how they should approach it.

So soon we will see which "national experiment" was the best method in dealing with this virus. And which in turn was nothing less than a "criminal neglect" on the part of the government of that country. 

Belarus, Mexico and Brazil are officially and formally on the herd immunity plan. UK is the coward traitor for this group.

Turkish are upper class. Quietly have been copying just from anywhere in the world techniques to avoid shutdown, while being totally proactive.

Turkish cannot brag about any Coronavirus related thing, since Tourism is big deal. A lot of food export as well. But they are among the most effective countries in their quiet way. They also help a number of countries, including China (in the beginning). They have their test system, some Pharma products, good chemical industry for anti infections..etc. War in Syria also seem to be under control.

 

 

[galbeedi]

2 minutes ago, Old_Observer said:

They also help a number of countries, including China (in the beginning)

They even sent medical equipment to Italy and Spain.

[Old_Observer]

5 minutes ago, galbeedi said:

They even sent medical equipment to Italy and Spain.

 

Exactly.

The UK does a lot of weapons sales, yet never brag about it since their main business is financial services.

Turkish can brag about weapons sales, but never about health and food issues, since they are big in Food, Tourism, Garment/clothing..which kind of makes them keep Corona virus to a minimum news.

They are working very closely with all Euro Asian countries. Since there was some suspicion this virus maybe Ethnic, in the beginning. All countries that have Turkic population had joint centers and sharing centers.

 

 

[cadnaan1]

In Sweden there is no lockdown even though they have highest virus cases in Scandinavian countries.

[galbeedi]

On 4/6/2020 at 9:53 AM, Oodweyne said:

Once you see nation talking like that, then you will know that they want to do what is known as the "herd immunity" route, even if they don't want to broadcast it publicly. And now Mr Erdogan is talking about allowing 18 - 20s years old Turks back into the economy. And that effectively means he is on the "herd immunity" bandwagon, whereby he wants to "minimise" the damage economically this will be to his country (which is understandable).

Those of us who flow Turkey understand the institutional capacity of that nation. While Turkey doesn't have per capita income of most  European countries, and mostly considered a developing economy, it is one of the few nations who are well prepared to stand alone in terms of its place among the nations. According to some analysts, Turkey had prepared  " a world reality: defense, localization, systemic transformation (the presidential system), social state, relief organizations, geopolitical plans, strengthening the central power domain, returning to its own claims (to its historical legacy), equipment preparation in a way that it will not need supra-national structures".

Not only they invested in national infrastructure like airports, highways and railways , but also health care and human development.

Their healthcare system and infrastructure is second to none. Here is one new one in Ankara.

 

They even expanding around the globe. Here one Qatar:

Here one in Mogadishu helping our people.

 

 

[galbeedi]

There is a calculated campaign against Turkey. While they were sending medical equipment to Italy and Spain , there were reports about Turkey blocking equipment intended for Italy. 

If they were hiding numbers,  why are they reporting thousands of new cases  everyday?. in two weeks , they reported close to 25,000 which is huge. At the same time, they didn't peak yet.

 

[Haatu]

11 hours ago, galbeedi said:

Here one in Mogadishu helping our people.

 

 

I cannot overstate the importance of this hospital. More important than physical infrastructure in healthcare is the quality and training of medical professionals. I'm sure we all have experiences of our relatives back home or even ourselves receiving sub-optimal care because the doctors simply lacked training. This hospital here is training hundreds of Somali doctors every year under expert consultants. This isn't the kind of training you can get from a seminar. It requires years of working under specialists as their apprentice basically learning the skill slowly from them. In the UK it takes young surgeons 10 years of training under experts to become consultant surgeons. And at at this hospital we have some Somali doctors being trained in every speciality, even minute and rare ones. 

And the best thing is that it acts as a catalyst. Once you train one specialist, he/she can train hundreds of other specialists over their career. I can envisage the number of expert Somali specialists multiplying over the next few years. And we know how business minded Somalis are. I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing urology clinics or even dermatology clinics sprouting up in every major town headed by a specialist (all we currently have are general doctors opening poor quality clinics or quacks at the worst). All that is required is to hold regular annual conferences locally or attend international ones abroad to keep their skills up to date. We might even end up with an even more educated workforce than some African countries. 

[Haatu]

7 minutes ago, Oodweyne said:

^^^ Haatu,

Saaxiib, ma markii geel loo heesay ayaad dameerahaagii u buraanburtey, miyaa?  In other words, no one is in here is arguing against how Somalis should be grateful for Turkey in terms of what she in turn, has done for Somalia. That is a given considering how much Turkey had invested in her, and in terms of the actual things that the West never would never do for Somalia other than giving them a lip-service but Turkey have done it, nevertheless.

All of that is given, and no one is arguing against it. But the point of contention here is about how Turkey is dealing with this COVID-19 pandemic and how Mr. Erdogan is out to "minimize" the severity of it. And that is where the disagreement that I have with Mr Galbeedi stems from. Not so much what Turkey may or may not have done for Somalia or not. It's apple and orange, really.   

I was making a side point. No country can stop this. It will eventually infect everyone one and those that survive will survive. Governments should just be honest like Germany.

[Old_Observer]

Oodweyne,

My friend, give it up. You are just beating a dead donkey.

The Turkish are winners in this. They bought time and now they know which masks they can use to run production plants even when 100 or even 200 thousand are infected, since what percentage get really sick is low.

 

The key is testing. If you are in US or UK your numbers are completely nonesense. The testing is only done where the situation has exploded, its a reaction to people falling like flies, not planned selected and focused. Tests are not reliable as well.

That is where the Turkish come in. They have been testing different systems from their universities, exchange with China, Russia, Iran aand Euroasia.countries.

Secondly Its how you manage not not how many infected. Germany is best example in this case.

 

Bad news for everybody:

The Spanish flu (which easily could have been called American flu) came and went 3 times/cycles/waves.

Wave 2 was the worst. It came after 5 months when people thought they are OK since graphs have been flattened and new infections were down to trickle.

2nd wave came and the death tall was 5 times greater than 1st wave.

 

 

Do not finish your arguments. COVID19 just started. There may be wave 2 and 3..

 

[Old_Observer]

My Apology. I had misunderstood regading quaranteene of under 20 years olds.

The rule is now clear:

Over 65 and under 20 are now prevented. Between 20 and 65 can go to work, or other functions, but still keep distance and certain behaviors.