Che -Guevara Posted February 20, 2008 Among Wisconsin voters making between $15,000 and $30,000 a year, Obama edged out Clinton 52 percent to 46 percent. Among voters making between $30,000 and $50,000, Obama had a 56 percent to 44 percent advantage. She can't even hold on the blue collar folks. web page Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Libaax-Sankataabte Posted February 20, 2008 Lazie, . Brave soul! Still going like the energizer bunny. Lazie, if Hillary or McCain can beat the man fair and square, that is cool. But I am more worried about dirty games like this: http://www.whitehouse.com The redneck who claimed he had "gay-sex" with Obama is already being coached on how to beat the lie detector. Once he passes that, expect the story to hit the mainstream media like a bullet. I am sure the Clintons will not let the nomination pass by easily. It is all planned. It is all part of the plan. I can already picture Obama standing next to his wife Michelle and his two kids screaming these words to reporters: I am not gay, I have never been gay Not fair Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peasant Posted February 21, 2008 I dont think that these people have credibility what so ever and this domain has a pornographic history it self. http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/internet/02/10/whitehouse.com.ap/index.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ducaysane Posted February 21, 2008 I don't know about you guys but I am really disappointed for this Obama guy. I think he is embarrassment to black man in the states. There is no woman that come out yet that claimed he fathered one of her kids. His driver's license never suspended. I tell you..... He is the weirdest black guy in Chicago. :cool: :cool: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faarax-Brawn Posted February 21, 2008 Originally posted by Ducaysane: I don't know about you guys but I am really disappointed for this Obama guy. I think he is embarrassment to black man in the states. There is no woman that come out yet that claimed he fathered one of her kids. His driver's license never suspended. I tell you..... He is the weirdest black guy in Chicago. :cool: :cool: He is not from Chicago. He is from Hawaii Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ducaysane Posted February 21, 2008 Faarax, The fact that he is from Hawii worries me more. Think about it, all the good looking chicks,(who has the means) go to Hawii for vocation. and no one has come out yet. :cool: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Che -Guevara Posted February 21, 2008 Republican White House hopeful John McCain has rejected a newspaper report that suggested he had an inappropriate relationship with a female lobbyist. web page Da dems learned about republican dirty tricks. They will come out swing too LSK...I don't think that story is gonna anywhere. Peasant...LooooooooL..That was indeed a porn site. I learned that in my goverment class. For second, I thought LSK had a parapraxis. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Senora Posted February 21, 2008 Hey Guys, I dont ever remember this forum as interested in American politics before - kudos! I came across a link this morning on CNN - Barack Obama won the Democrats Abroad elections. One could argue that this shouldnt have merit on the domestic elections, but for those in support of a leader bringing diplomacy to forefront of international politics, this may just swing their vote... http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/21/obama-wins-democrats-abroad-contest/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xiinfaniin Posted February 21, 2008 I think Obama will win this thing. At this point of the election, only a miracle of sort can help Clinton win the Democratic nomination of 2008! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Libaax-Sankataabte Posted February 21, 2008 Xiinoow, Hillary is hoping for one of three miracles as we speak 1. A big mistake by Obama 2. A huge scandal involving Obama 3. A win in Texas, Ohio and Penn State If those don't materialize before the convention, her last effort would be to win this thing by "cheating" the process via superdelegates/Michigan/Florida loophole. She is limping. She is not down at all. Watch the debate tonight! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
N.O.R.F Posted February 21, 2008 When will we have a winner? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gediid Posted February 21, 2008 Hard to say but I dont anticipate seeing a clear winner till at least a few weeks before the Democratic National convention.You all have to realize what we are seeing is as close a race as there has ever been one.On a lighter note I suppose voters now are thinking should we go with the white woman or the black man, a tough choice.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xiinfaniin Posted February 21, 2008 Libaax, this is the Clinton strategy to bounce back: A Clinton Strategy? By Katharine Q. Seelye If you listened in on a nearly hour-long conference call with Senator Hillary Clinton’s campaign officials this morning, you could see at least an eight-point strategy for trying to bounce back after 10 straight losses to Senator Barack Obama: 1. Use two upcoming debates between now and March 4 to draw a strong contrast with Mr. Obama. “We’ve seen dramatic changes when that’s happened,” said Mark Penn, her chief strategist and pollster. (Translation: expect her to unload everything she has on him.) 2. Hope “new information” about Mr. Obama will emerge and discourage voters from supporting him. (Translation: see above.) 3. Repeat those bits of “new information” that have already emerged: that Mr. Obama has “lifted” portions of his inspirational speeches from other politicians; that he backed out of a promise to take public financing for his campaign; that after a year of not remembering the details, Mr. Obama did recall that before he bought his home in Chicago, he toured it with Tony Rezko, a fund-raiser who was known to be the subject of a grand jury investigation, to get his opinion of the property. 4. Replay repeatedly an embarrassing television clip of a supporter of Mr. Obama being unable to name any legislative achievements by Mr. Obama. 5. Hope that Senator John McCain, the all-but-certain Republican presidential nominee, can raise serious doubts about Mr. Obama’s experience and readiness to be commander-in-chief. 6. Have Mrs. Clinton focus intensely on the economy and drive home her plans to create jobs and jump-start the economy in an attempt to retrieve the blue-collar voters who form her natural constituency but who have been deserting her in the last few contests. 7. Explain previous losses by saying the Obama campaign outspent them and use this as a plea for more money — even $5, which she asked for today. 8. Not be drawn into the Obama camp’s assessment that Mrs. Clinton needs to win 65 percent of the vote in Ohio, and not even saying that they have to win Ohio, only that it is “critically, critically important.” Several questioners noted that the campaign has already been doing a number of these things and that they haven’t worked. The campaign officials brushed past that idea. Harold Ickes, a top adviser who is rounding up delegates for Mrs. Clinton, said that — by their estimation — she trailed Mr. Obama by about 75 delegates now but predicted that strong showings in Ohio and Texas on March 4 would help her “close the gap substantially” by the time Puerto Rico votes in June. At that point, he said, neither candidate would be able to clinch the nomination without superdelegates, or, as he calls them, automatic delegates. He was not asked about a report in Politico in which Roger Simon said the Clinton campaign was planning to raid delegates already pledged to Mr. Obama. (Reporters asked about it repeatedly during Tuesday’s conference call and the campaign spokesmen denied it - to wit, “We have not, are not, and will not pursue the pledged delegates of Barack Obama,” Howard Wolfson said. Though as of late yesterday, Mr. Simon was sticking to his account about their intent to go after the so-called pledged delegates — not the superdelegates — who in reality are not pledged at all.) Summing up the forthcoming strategy, Howard Wolfson, Mrs. Clinton’s spokesman, put it this way: “Senator Obama is not running on legislative achievements, he’s not running on his preparedness to be commander-in-chief, he’s not running on his experience in government. He’s running on the power of his oratory and the strength of his promises. And then voters see his oratory being lifted, his promises being broken and surrogates being unable to name any legislative accomplishments.” ny times Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aaliyyah Posted February 22, 2008 In today’s democratic presidential debate Obama did exceptionally well. He came across as calm and more confident than Hillary. She was defensive and was trying to attack him at every turn. Clinton hasn’t been consistent throughout her campaign. She had used every card trying to outdo Obama. At one time she repeatedly tried to come across as more experienced but apparently that didn’t work. Then, she used “words against solutions” line and that didn’t have any impact on Wisconsin and Hawaii. Afterwards, she even tried to accuse him of plagiarism last weekend and she brought that up in today’s debate. He calmly and clearly explained that these words were from his campaign co-manager and he had the full permission to use them, and that they should focus on more important issues. Anyways, these lines are originally from famous political leaders and basically became a cliché. Obviously, his explanation was not enough, she went to an extent where she called him a Xerox. Talk about being desperate? In all the issues Obama did extremely well today. In health care he said he will make health care affordable for everyone. Where Hillary just wants to force a health care policy on everyone and deduct from their income. In the topic of immigration they both want to accommodate the illegal immigrants and give them opportunity to become citizens. But, Obama went step farther and said that we have to solve the root of the problem, and co-operate with Mexico, so they could enhance their economy and produce more jobs for their citizens, which will ultimately lead to substantial decrease in the number of illegal immigrants to United states. In the other issue, pertaining Iraq and the war Obama argued that he is more prepared to be the chief commander of united stated since he is consistent and was against the war at earliest in 2003. While, Clinton supported Bush’s war against Iraq, and changed her position now. Also, regarding the foreign relations Obama said that he will not only meet and negotiate with his allies but also with his enemies, with no pre conditions. On the other hand, Clinton said her enemies should meet certain conditions and earn to meet the next US president. All in all, tonight Obama came across more ready to lead the nation. Even Clinton more or less has accepted defeat , her conclusion were like a concession speech. -------------------------- A quick temper will make a fool of you soon enough. - Bruce Lee Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peasant Posted February 22, 2008 Alliyah you damnn make a cool analyst. Yeah i think he was very much prepared for the plagiarism accusation and perhaps done wonderful job by shifting the focus off from the topic and putting emphasis on uplifting the country which he got cheers from the audience. That was cool but more to come i guess. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites