Pujah Posted March 12, 2008 ^Do you actually believe he is ahead in all three categories because of black voters? Do you think Ferraro's comment is helping the country move in the right direction? And more importantly, do you think Clinton can afford alienating black voters should she get the nomination? Please think about who and what you're agreeing with before you go along with every bigot that opens his mouth. "Part of what I think Geraldine Ferraro is doing, and I respect the fact that she was a trailblazer, is to participate in the kind of slice and dice politics that's about race and about gender and about this and that, and that's what Americans are tired of because they recognize that when we divide ourselves in that way we can't solve problems," Obama said on NBC's "Today" show. ^ Love his response. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faarax-Brawn Posted March 12, 2008 Originally posted by Ducaysane: Libaax, you are reminding me C++ and Java with your flow chart. ( I hate logic) I am definetly voting for Mcain if Halliary wins the DNC nomination. That is your choice,but you must know,Mccain,is now reffered to as McBush. He is three times worse than Bush. Unfortunatly,though,this is the sentiments shared by many a democrat(independents). I am so depressed,i refuse to watch news these days. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jacpher Posted March 12, 2008 They had to let the racist lady go before Keith Olbermann did his 'Special Comment' segment tonight about Hilary's lack of response to the issue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faarax-Brawn Posted March 12, 2008 Originally posted by Jimcaale: They had to let the racist lady go before Keith Olbermann did his 'Special Comment' segment tonight about Hilary's lack of response to the issue. Duqda,waa duq falan! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jacpher Posted March 12, 2008 This piece is hilarious. That line of habarta, "as far as I know" is becoming a trade mark. Senator Clinton Isn't A Republican, As Far As I Know. Winston Churchill wrote: "A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." The big lie -- the "ultimate fear bomb," as Michelle Obama put it -- is this notion that Senator Obama, despite being a Christian and a patriot, isn't who we says he is. I'm referencing, of course, this ridiculous e-mail whisper campaign which continues to make its roundelay through the tubes. In fact, a friend of a friend who continues to inexplicably open anything with a "Fw:" in the subject line actually e-mailed the goddamn thing to me last week. I've since set up an Outlook Express message rule that automatically obliterates any e-mail containing the words "madrassa" and "Hussein." If Outlook was able to somehow sniff out horseshit, I'd be leaning on that message rule as well. Yet between this awful viral blast and the on-going fear-bombing with regards to the senator's name, the fact that he's achieved an uninterrupted lead in the popular vote and the pledged delegate tally is a testament to the unstoppable power of his campaign. What's more shocking than the psychonaut tenacity of the whisper pandemic about Senator Obama is that it's far more plausible that Senator Clinton is a Republican Manchurian Candidate. Now, I'm not suggesting that Senator Clinton is really a Republican. As far as I know, and I take her at her word. But just for the hell of it, let's read the record. When Senator Clinton was a senior in high school, she was a member of Citizens for Goldwater-Miller. The following year, she was elected president of the Young Republicans at Wellesley College. So, in her youth, there's no denying that she absolutely was a Republican. You won't find this information in her online biography, by the way, so you'll have to ask her about it. While in college, she became involved in the civil rights movement and rapidly transformed into a liberal Democrat who supported anti-war Democratic candidate Eugene McCarthy for president in 1968. Yet it wasn't until the 1968 Republican National Convention when she finally left the Republican Party... for good? As far as I know. Four years later, during the Watergate investigation, she advised the House Judiciary Committee as they assembled a case for impeachment against President Nixon. I take her at her word that she wasn't a spy. From 1986 to 1993, Senator Clinton sat on the board of the notoriously anti-labor corporation known as Wal-Mart, founded and operated by far-right conservative Republican Sam Walton. Fast forward to 2002 when Senator Clinton vocally supported the Bush administration's plans to invade an occupy Iraq. To this day, she refuses to either reject or denounce her support of President Bush and the neoconservative conspiracy for war even though the roster of lies about Iraq is a mile long -- but not nearly as long as the roster of American military casualties: more than 30,000 by the most recent accounting. Senator Clinton is also a longtime member of the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) which is composed primarily of Democrats who routinely capitulate to the Republicans. "Democrats In Name Only" is a pejorative nickname that's often associated with members of this centrist organization. And the senator's historically awkward line, "It's not change you can believe in; it's change you can Xerox," was written for the senator by the DLC's current president, Bruce Reed. Ironically enough, Reed's line was intended to blast Senator Obama for using a line written by his campaign co-chair, Governor Deval Patrick. Score! Good job, Clintons! And during the course of this year, 2008, Senator Clinton has exhibited a disturbing affection for Republican fear mongering. In New Hampshire, Senator Clinton first invoked the prospect of a terrorist attack and how only she was qualified to handle such an event. "I don't think it was by accident that al-Qaeda decided to test the new prime minister. They watch our elections as closely as we do, maybe more closely than some of our fellows citizens do. Let's not forget you're hiring a president not just to do what a candidate says during the election, you want a president to be there when the chips are down." I wonder who wrote that line for the senator? Probably a Democrat on her speechwriting staff, and I take her at her word that it wasn't a Republican. Meanwhile, during the very same week in which William Kristol recommended to the senator that she use the politics of fear against Senator Obama, Subsequently, Senator Clinton hedged while responding to a question about Senator Obama's religion -- "as far as she knew." The day after Kristol's recommendation, the Kenyan garb photo appeared on the Drudge Report. And, later in the week, her campaign released the 3AM television commercial which could very easily have been a commercial for Senator McCain. It's also noteworthy that Clinton campaign pollster Mark Penn wrote the commercial. Penn has a storied Republican past, as was reported by The Nation: A host of prominent Republicans fall under Penn's purview. B-M's Washington lobbying arm, BKSH & Associates, is run by Charlie Black, a leading GOP operative who maintains close ties to the White House, including Karl Rove, and was former partners with Lee Atwater, the political consultant who crafted the Willie Horton smear campaign used by George H.W. Bush against Michael Dukakis in 1988. Speaking of Willy Horton, we're all familiar with the disgraceful instances of race-baiting from the Clinton campaign -- a tactic generally reserved exclusively by the Republicans. Most recently, Clinton finance committee member and former vice presidential nominee Geraldine Ferraro said that the only reason Senator Obama is winning is because he's black. "If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept." Ferraro has yet to resign from her post with the same dignity and selflessness as Samantha Power, Senator Obama's foreign policy advisor, when Power said that Senator Clinton was a "monster" -- a harmless epithet, far less insulting than Ferraro's flagrantly racist comments. And the Clinton campaign has yet to reject or denounce Ferraro's unapologetic bigotry, nor her continued defense and reiteration of the initial trespass. The Clintons are sticking with Ferraro. When have we witnessed this behavior before? Sticking with someone who's clearly wrong? And then there are Senator Clinton's remarkably obnoxious endorsements of Senator McCain, as well as her desire to follow Bill Kristol's advice (again) -- this time agreeing with his advice to Senator McCain that the general election ought to be framed around national security issues. For the record, AmericaBlog documented her repeated endorsements of Senator McCain and, concurrently, her offenses against the Democratic Party: "[McCain has] never been president, but he will put forth his lifetime of experience. I will put forth my lifetime of experience. Senator Obama will put forth a speech he made in 2002." "I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience that he will bring to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002." "Of course, well, you know, I've got a lifetime of experience. Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience. And you know, Senator Obama's whole campaign is about one speech he made in 2002." Clearly, the senator's point was that if she doesn't win the nomination (and it's mathematically impossible at this point), she would prefer to see Senator McCain defeat Senator Obama in November. After all, and by her own admission, Senator McCain is more qualified and better equipped to defend the nation against the evildoers. What's more is that Senator Clinton has provided for the McCain campaign enough clips to launch a thousand fear mongering commercials. SCARY VOICE GUY: Even Hillary Clinton, a liberal Democrat, agrees that Senator Obama isn't prepared to keep you and your kids safe from the terrorists. CLIP OF SENATOR CLINTON: I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience that he will bring to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002. SCARY VOICE GUY: Senator Barack Hussein Obama... if a liberal like Hillary Clinton thinks he's not ready, what will the terrorists think? But I take her at her word that she's not a Republican Manchurian Candidate ready to spring forth another eight years of crazy on an already thrashed and beleaguered nation. As far as I know. Bob Cesca The Huffington Post Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Libaax-Sankataabte Posted March 13, 2008 Keith's piece tonight was a passionate appeal for sanity in what has more or less denegraded into a dirty campaign by the Clintons. As Keith said, good luck to her. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cara. Posted March 13, 2008 Keith for president! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faarax-Brawn Posted March 13, 2008 Originally posted by Cara: Keith for president! Thats MY congressman,I live in the Fif'district & i dont wanna let him GO. Yall can find another person to be president BTW,If you are in the twin cities & you would like to see Keith Speak, he will be @ the U of MN Monday the 17th. I can get yall front row tix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LayZie G. Posted March 13, 2008 Pujah, america would not simply move backwards or forward over a remark that was not racially motivated in the first place. As for ferraro's comment, she simply pointed out that this hasn't happened to color folks and its a phenomena. The white man, the woman, was a "been there, done that", but not for a colored man. As much as you believe your obama can change these times by just flickering a switch of some sort or using a magic eraser, it just won’t happen. History is there to be made, not to be re-written, and obama is hoping he can re-write history. Racism, injustice will not disappear overnight, just because an African American man who can speak the light out of everyone is running for the presidency and has a good shot at winning the nomination so far. The man is intelligent and articulate and he is the first minority who has been this close to getting the nomination of a major party, but he is not ready, not yet. So, nice try but unlike you, I use common sense. I don't shout "racism" everytime a white person points out the truth. After all, obama is a black man, what's wrong with saying it? He should be proud of who he is, instead of silencing his critics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jacpher Posted March 13, 2008 ^You must be the Ann Coulter of Clinton campaign. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pujah Posted March 13, 2008 So, nice try but unlike you, I use common sense. I don't shout "racism" everytime a white person points out the truth. After all, obama is a black man, what's wrong with saying it? You must realize she didn't just say he is black but in essence he is only there where he is because of affirmative action. Surely, you don't agree with that stance. And I am sure you will agree Obama is too smart to play the race card and so far he has refused to play the Clinton's card of turning this into black vs white. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LayZie G. Posted March 13, 2008 ^Pujah, those weren't her words, and thats some serious charge you just made against Mrs Ferraro. I agree, he didn't get to where he is at solely on the base of affirmative action, but it played a part in it, especially right after his speech at the 2004's convention and what came after. Ferraro pointed out on one of the above quotes I posted yesterday that, the reception she had received at the early 80's campaign once she was selected as a running made wouldn't have been the same if her name was Gerald Ferraro, it wouldn't have been a warm reception, just another couple of old geezer's running for office etc etc. In our words, even thought she might have had the qualitifications to become someone's running made, affirmative action played a part in it at that time also, nothing to ashamed about, atleast she is not ashamed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nephissa Posted March 13, 2008 Originally posted by LayZie G.: ^Pujah, those weren't her words, and thats some serious charge you just made against Mrs Ferraro. haha . Mrs. Feraaro eedadaa miyaa? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
STOIC Posted March 13, 2008 The crux of Clinton’s campaign (and her SOL supporters) against Obama centers on whether he is ready to be the president. Granted that If O is elected to be the president he will be one of the first people to be elected to that office with little executive experience. He never runs a government or a company. But wait a minute neither did Mrs. Clinton governed a state or even people in general than her own campaign and senate staff! Ferraro comments are not surprising in any campaign. This is just an example of many verbal traps that campaign teams need to be careful. When Samantha Powers called Hillary names she resigned. This is just the same only the table is turned now. These types of derogation are what the media is looking for. I think there are important issues at hand on both sides and that they both need to move on with the campaign. There is six weeks to Pennsylvania and I think its about darn time Obama surrogates stop anchoring on any negative news and keep it clean and promising as usual.And I have a hope that O is going all the way! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites