Dawkins blames Muslims for 'importing creationism' into classroom

[NGONGE]

^^ I rather think Dawkins is not going away anytime soon. He presents a slightly more interesting argument than the one about black people being genetically dumb.

 

ps

I had a feeling you would find it disturbing that I mocked the Islamphobia Watch link. Busy bodies usually don't have any self awareness (I say it with the utmost respect of course).

[Ibtisam]

^^^Explain, with or without respect, its all the same to me, so knock yourself out.

[NGONGE]

^^ Hint: A whole site dedicating itself to reporting on and exposing Islamophobes. Not someone casually coming across offensive material but someone actually going out of their way to look for and unearth such material. Now that's the essence of being a busy body.

 

This is akin to the proverbial old lady with her twitching curtains, dear. She too does not think she's doing anything wrong. She's protecting the neighbourhood after all.

[Ibtisam]

Originally posted by NGONGE:

^^ Hint: A whole site dedicating itself to reporting on and exposing Islamophobes. Not someone casually coming across offensive material but someone actually going out of their way to look for and unearth such material. Now that's the essence of being a busy body.

 

This is akin to the proverbial old lady with her twitching curtains, dear. She too does not think she's doing anything wrong. She's protecting the neighbourhood after all.

^^^Sometimes waan kaa yaab. You seem to think that if you don't see or hear it won't harm you. I cannot believe I am going to have this discussion with you of all people. But here it goes anyway.

 

1)So you object to the Islamophobe watch because really you think they are raising the profile of Islamophobes and if we were to ignore them and pretend they don't exist they will go away.

2) I can't get past this first point, in fact it is hurting my head. SO let me keep it brief and flip it for you.

 

Ngonge, if you have an interest or an agenda, then no will protect it for you other than YOU of course. The media and everyone Tom, Dick and Harry will mock you and your agenda, regardless of what you do. This mockery and false information goes into the mainstream society, shaping the views, perceptions of millions. These will translate into direct action against you, either in forms of policy, physical attacks or verbal abuses, there by impacting on your life. This will surprise you, as the whole time you had your head in the sand, and since you do not read 15 news papers a day and watch every news channel, you do not know what was said about you, nor did you counter it. So whose faulty is it?? Who do you blame?

 

Not someone casually coming across offensive material but someone actually going out of their way to look for and unearth such material. Now that's the essence of being a busy body.

Actually that exactly what it is, a bunch of people, who have regular life’s, each reads a certain news paper and keeps their ears and eyes open and shares if they come across anything.

Lastly I know you know that nearly all media outlets have a special teams handling complaints and comments only. Therefore, they are happy to hear from you and welcome your views. The reason they are there is so you can indirectly shape what they portrait.

 

Now THIS one you may not know, There are no other collection of organisations that are more dedicated to encouraging Islamaphobia than the Zionist organisations. They have specialist teams for no other purpose than to lobby the media and politicians and pressure them in to portraying Islam in a bad light and their own cause in a favourable light.

 

I cannot for the life of me understand, why you continue to stick your head in the sand and refuse to use the same tools they have so successfully employed?? It is like the Muslims who still learn how to fight with swords :confused: I'm really annoyed with you, because I know you know better, but you insist on joining the happy clappers. WHY?

[NGONGE]

Now THIS one you may not know, There are no other collection of organisations that are more dedicated to encouraging Islamaphobia than the Zionist organisations.

They have specialist teams for no other purpose than to lobby the media and politicians and pressure them in to portraying Islam in a bad light and their own cause in a favourable light.

Oh how did I not expect this one to rear its ugly head! Memri is a great website.

 

The difference between them and YOU (plural for busy bodies here) is that they set out to change the public's mind (public as in every Tom, Dick and Abdi) whilst YOU (Islamic busy bodies) do it as an excuse for yet another wailing session (usually amongst yourselves).

 

Sorry Ibti. All I've come across are busy bodies moaning about one slur or another (and mostly in your postings too). I hardly saw any BIG results or progress. Remember how I keep telling you to choose your battles. I am not against the actual idea per say, I am against the futile methods being adopted. You are wasting your time and going in endless circles. These busybodies are misleading you and taking you with them into blind alleys, my dear. Drop them and join the countless Islamic organisations that do well, achieve well and plan for well.

[Ibtisam]

I'm too tired to argue with you and go in circles again Ngonge. I can't help you if you refuse to listen or if you've put me in a little box and refuse to change your mind. On the one hand you agree with me, on the other you think I'm wasting away and blindly following people. You say theoretically I am correct, but I am misguided practically. You speak of countless Islamic organisations, but you don't like none of the ones I've ever mentioned. So where are these organisations, what have they achieved?? Tell me, prove it and I promise I will leave it all alone and join them. If you can't, if you won't then don't waste my time

[NGONGE]

^^ I am only commenting on the stuff you post, Ibti. I believe most of it to be trivial. If I put you in a box it's only because most your stuff seems to follow one straight line (PROTEST). Is there more to you when it comes to Islamic activism?

 

Ps

The British Muslim Council does more than all these busybody organisation you keep assaulting us with and, more importantly, has bigger exposure. Why not join them?

[Ibtisam]

I only know MCB (Muslim council of Britian) and the British Muslim Forum, WHo is the British Muslim Council and what do they do??

[NGONGE]

^^ Typing in a hurry, woman. I meant the MCB of course.

[SayidSomal]

MY Observation:

 

1. NGO (not the nongovernmental org) has his head in the sand.

 

2. Road runner (Ibti)= Comes and kicks his behind (makes comment/post article that is challenging).

 

3. NGo - takes head of the sand long enough to shout "hey why kick me?" i had my head in the sand. now i have to put back again!!!

 

4. Road Runner - every time i come by this road you say the same thing, keep your head out of the sand, next time i come by.

 

5. just a different day, same old ...... same old .........

 

take break and change the channel

[NGONGE]

^^ Ooooh another busy body!

[Ibtisam]

HAHAHAHA LOoooooooooooooooool. you've just shot yourself in the foot, and illustrated that you really are clueless and on top of that have just been attacking me for no reason.

 

1) I am a member of MCB, in fact I'm a volunteer for their campaigns team.

 

2) Many of the campaigns I've highlighted here on SOL often overlapping with work I do for them or MPAC. Do you remember the Ken Livingston campaign? The niqaab campaign? women in the mosque?? boycot Isreal?

 

3) Most of the articles I post here are credited to prominent members of MCB. In fact the ones you attack the most are from Inayat Bunglawala who is now the assistant Secretary-Generaland previously the head of MCB.

 

4) Although there are minor differences in approach between MPAC and MCB, they have been joining together for campaigns within the last six months. Have you seen the MCB new directives on democracy and engagement? When you do come back to me.

 

In any case my goal is to draw all these organisations together. Now I just need a way to influence the Sufis and BMF.

 

Now tell me what you were saying again?? Any other suggestions Ngonge?

 

EDIT: Looooooooooooool @ Sayid. Ngonge is so much potential. It makes me sad to give up on him, so I keep trying!

[SayidSomal]

NGO at least we are busy with something tangible, where as you are busy just criticising us.

 

Busy body i think is more befitting to you

[NGONGE]

^^

1- I don't think I ever attacked Inayat Bunglawala.

 

2- I picked on you on three occasions and don't recall one of them having anything to do with the MCB, Ibti.

 

3- There are BIG differences between MPAC and the MCB. Come on now, be truthful woman.

 

4- Ken Livingston campaign? The niqaab campaign? (I don't remember commenting on either of these two. I may be wrong, I'll have to go and check of course).

 

ps

I stand by all I said about your posts being ALL about PROTEST (and the ones I picked on were mostly futile ones).

 

pps

 

Get over yourself, SS. I know being a busybody you might not be used to it but this is the way discussions WORKS. I give you my opinion and you give me yours. Two passing lines are no good here.

[N.O.R.F]

Ng, protest works saxib. It leads to marginalising of those the protest is against thus achieving it's objective.