Khudbaddii Sanadlaha ahayd ee Madaxweynaha Somaliland

[Suldaanka]

 

[Suldaanka]

Here is an excerpt of the Addis Abeba meeting

 

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Waxaynu wada ogayn in wada-hadalkii Somaliland iyo Soomaaliya muddo hakad ku jireen. Hase yeeshee, 11-kii Bisha February 2020, ayaa aniga iyo Madaxweynaha Soomaaliya, si kedis ah ugu kulannay magaalada Addis Ababa ee Dalka Itoobiya.

09-kii February 2020, waxaan safar shaqo ugu baxay magaalada Addis Ababa ee dalka Itoobiya, si aan u xoojiyo wefti uu hoggaaminayey Wasiirka Arrimaha Dibedda, oo ka ololaynayey wufuudii Shirka 33-aad ee Midowga Afrika iskugu timi. 11-kii Bisha February 2020, waxa igu marti-qaaday Xafiiskiisa Ra’iisal Wasaaraha Dalka Itoobiya, Dr. Abiye Ahmed. Salaan, soo dhawayn iyo kulan kooban kadib, waxa uu ii sheegay in Madaxweynihii Soomaaliya uu isna soo galayo Xafiiska Ra’iisal Wasaaraha in yar kadib. Halkaa ayuu ka bilaabmay kulan kedis ah, oo saddex geesood ah, oo aan hore loo sii qorshayn, oo dhexmaray saddexdayada.

Ra’iisal Wasaaraha Itoobiya waxa uu soo jeediyey in uu dhex-galo dhibaatada dhex-taala labada dal ee Jamhuuriyadda Somaliland iyo Soomaaliya, maadaama ay tahay qadiyad ka aloosan Gobolka Geeska Afrika, oo uu Ra’iisal Wasaaruhuna u ololeeyo nabadda, horumarka iyo Iskaashiga Gobolka Geeska Afrika. Dabcan, Ra’iisal Wasaaraha Itoobiya oo ah shakhsi ku guulaystay Abaal-marinta Nabadda Adduunka ee (Noble Peace Price), isla markaana hoggaamiya dalka labaad ee ugu dadka badan Qaaradda Afrika; Somaliland ahaan waanu aqbalnay soo jeedinta Ra’iisal Wasaaraha Itoobiya. Kulanku intaas ayuu ku ekaa. Waxa loo ballamay in faah-faahinta iyo ajendaha la galo wixii intaa ka dambeeya. Waxa jira Dawlado kale oo iyaguna hore ugu hawlanaa wada-hadalka Jamhuuriyadda Somaliland iyo Soomaaliya, hase yeeshee, kulanka Ra’iisal Wasaaraha lagagama wada-hadal wax tafaasiil ah oo ku saabsan cidda ka qayb noqon doonta wada-hadalka, waxaanu ku koobnaa kulankaasi soo-jeedin iyo aqbalaad.

[maakhiri1]

MAXAA kuu baxay Suldaanka?

I see Garnaqsi, a massive shifts and open to negotiation

 

[gooni]

Markii uu ii yeeray abbey ahmed oo ku guulaysta biladda nabada aduunka ahna dawladda 2aad ee afrika ugu xoogga badan 

Halhaleel yaan sariirtii ugasoo booday waana filan waayay runtii, dhawr saacadood gudohood yaana ku gaaray Ethiopia.

Taa markii qof wayn fasiro waxay ka dhignantahay asagoon is ogayn yuu farmaajo salaamay oo maskaxdiisu joogin.

[Suldaanka]

11 hours ago, gooni said:

Markii uu ii yeeray abbey ahmed oo ku guulaysta biladda nabada aduunka ahna dawladda 2aad ee afrika ugu xoogga badan 

Halhaleel yaan sariirtii ugasoo booday waana filan waayay runtii, dhawr saacadood gudohood yaana ku gaaray Ethiopia.

Taa markii qof wayn fasiro waxay ka dhignantahay asagoon is ogayn yuu farmaajo salaamay oo maskaxdiisu joogin.

Ninkii tiisa daryeelay ayaa tu kale u hanqal taaga.

Abiye Ahmed diyaaraddiisa khaaska ah ayu maalin walba sidii naag uu mehersaday honeymoon geynaayo, kolba Cheeseman magaalo kala dagaa oo dalxiis u geeya. 

 

[gooni]

3 hours ago, Suldaanka said:

Ninkii tiisa daryeelay ayaa tu kale u hanqal taaga.

Abiye Ahmed diyaaraddiisa khaaska ah ayu maalin walba sidii naag uu mehersaday honeymoon geynaayo, kolba Cheeseman magaalo kala dagaa oo dalxiis u geeya. 

 

Mowduucu aad noo furtay waa khudbadii adeer biixi.

Farmaajo waa la gartay oo diyaaraduu u saaran yahay sidii la doonaba haloo qoro. 

Muxuu adeer biixi u leeyahay filan waa iyo hambabar yaan ka qaaday yeeritaankii abbey ahmed, waana jabi gaaray, halhaleel yaana ku gaaray Addis?

Intaa kaliya oo ah inta ugu muhiimsan khudbadiisa noo fasir mudane suldaan adigoo mahadsan.

Muxuu jacaylkiisu u gaax-dilaacay mar qudha?

[Dhagax-Tuur]

Asc, 

 

I really don't see the point in engaging discussion of any with Oodweyne persona here.  How can anyone debate an individual that calls people 'ina Gumeed', and why the f@@k does this site accept the continued membership of this person? It's baffling,  really.  

I don't know,  and in really holding back,  cuz I don't want to stoop as low as he/she does,  but it's beyond acceptable. 

[Dhagax-Tuur]

5 hours ago, Oodweyne said:

Hence, if you do not have what it takes to tussle with other men then it's best to stick around in the ladies's corner. Whilst wearing your most expensive dirac and talking about the latest nail-polishing thingy in which have spied on the high-street's shopping malls. 

What a hot f@cking coming your backside.  Being a knobhead aa you're is manliness then you can shove it you-know-where. 

[Dhaqaale]

^^Yes there is something else...you can piss off Oodweyne nobody wants you here anymore. Your clan has no history or cultural achievements you can name here on SOL; I have challenged you to produce your clan historical achievements but you can't because there is none to speak of. Now f*ck off back to the bush...waryaa were you belong you naked aborigine. 

[Dhaqaale]

Nobody cares what you have write or say. You have no value to add. You write as if your have an intellect worth sharing. No Somali here reads your long diarrhea post that fail to get to the point quickly. There is also an older Somali saying, maybe you northern bushmen are not familiar with it: "Af daboolan waa dehab...becuase Carruuri haddii aad kuftid way kugu qososhaa."

[Dhaqaale]

 

14 hours ago, Oodweyne said:

^^^Okey, dokey, kiddo, run along now to the kid's corner given that you had your fun! 

...It seems you have run out of steam. After being solemnly defeated without a solid argument to boot you resort to calling grown men kids. Well You maybe an older man (from what I am told on this forum) than me in physical body but your mind is clearly that of a small child.

[galbeedi]

Waxa la gaadhay wakhtigii Muuse Biixi qudbadiisa la naqdin lahaa.

 

Gaas dhagoolayaasha Hargeisa jooga iyo kuwa kaleba waxa ay u baahan yihiin in waxii Muuse ku shubay laga shubo.

 

First of all , this is not how you explain diplomatic issues. As a leader , you must have aides to brief you if there is major issues before you run to the office of Abiy Ahmed. You can not act like a kid in a candy store. He says he did not had any agenda. 

 

 Halhaleel baan u Baxay Ku lahaa.

 

He did not grasp by  that accepting direct negotiations he entered  serious matters that will change the status of Somaliland in the future. The idea of entering  direct negotiations and then lying to the international community ,and then making the whole issue  as a scheme to make some money from other donors is over.

 

The relief and  recovery stage of the Somali peninsula is over now. The world can not throw more money on these problems while the Somali nation is rich in resources . The time for investment and resource extraction is upon us. Talking about the conflict of 1988 is irrelevant today. You asked FArmaajo to apologize and he did , now move on and filful what you have promised to the leaders.

 

ASking the old fart Saleebaan Gaal to bail you out  and relieve the pressure will not work. You entered direct negotiations and there is no way out. No matter how much you exaggerate  the victims of war , you have to make the tough decisions. 

 

He  said 50,000 people had been killed in two weeks in Hargeisa. That was like killing almost four thousand men, women and children a day. THe Syrian war was going on with Russian bombers killing an average of over hundred  people a day. So far half million people are dead while the evil Russian and their Shia criminals are carpet bombing cities like Aleppo with over four million people. If half million died in nine years of carpet bombing the people with high altitude bombers targeting high rise buildings with thousands of residents, a debilitated Somali army with no modern weapons will not be able kill that many people  even if they target the Hargeisa market. It is impossible.

 

 

Folks , the Hargeisa war was a quick two weeks campaign  to dislodge the city from the rebels who decided to fight among the people from house to house, which resulted  tens of thousands  to flee for their lives and became refugees in unprecedented numbers. If shells and bombs are falling in the neighborhood everyone will escape to the nearest safest place, and that's what the people did , leave Hargeisa. Unfortunately people died .Even Ahmed Siilaanyo said that this military operation by the commanders to wage war among the populace was  a suicide mission. Mohamed I Egal described them as insects flying to their death ( Waa xasharaad dab ku daadanaya).

 

I will  not even put the number even around a thousand. Folks, this wasn't the era of democracy where opposition and rebels flow the rules of engagement and minimize casualties. It was a military government trying to crush rebels armed and instigated by another ruthless dictator called Mengistu. WAr is hell and those who instigate it with hubris or political reasons always do not pay the price but the innocent people always suffer.  I never debate the casualty of wars, but I would rather focus the innocent victims the Somali state arrested, killed and abused because they were either accused of disloyalty or might have sympathy for the rebels. These extra judicial killings of the people of Somaliland is the major crimes the state did and I condemn and recognize these in stronger terms.. 

 

Furthermore, at the end it became a popular uprising (Kacdoon Shacab) and these uprisings by  the people as a whole is always legitimate. What people dislike is the SNM guys never ever admit any wrong doing despite the evidence to the contrary. People have suffered everywhere from Central Mudug where water wells were bombed, to the Mogadishu tribal killings , to the starving of hundreds of thousand of Somalis between the rivers . If Muuse Biixi is narrating all these stories for sympathy from Farmaajo and other southerners he might get, but what is his next move?.

 

Recycling the war stories of 35 years will  not sit well for those who you might want to arbitrate the major issues. They will teli you look at Rwanda where 500,00-800,00 were butchered, yet their nation is a rising star in Africa. Eritrea fought 45 years for independence and those whom it defeated came back for another bloody war  just five years later in 1998-2000.  Abiy Ahmed himself was on of the officers who were commanding the 100,000 Ethiopian forces who tried to invade Eritrea. 70,000 Ethiopians and 25,000 Eritrean were killed, yet they are heading to the future together. In fact, today, one Abiy,  is the philosopher and Asayas is the strong elder statesman who want to rule the horn. I don"t know yet  what Farmaajo is in this relationship.

 

At the same time, Mr. Biixi , No one is interested your false and boring stories about 1961 and the union. He says Somaliland was recognized by 35 countries, yet, the act of union between the two entities were entered by both parliaments in April 30 1960. THe legend of Hargeisa says we should have waited few more days or few more months, but the union was signed  two months earlier and the flag that was raised was the one designed for all Somalis, otherwise we would have our own flag and then changed to the blue later. Of course the southern elites who were running a government since 1956 or even before played a crooked game against the northern people, but at the end that mistake was corrected and a northern became prime minister. The official language became English which favored the North and the Kacaan itself was nothing but a Northern outfit that deposed the Puntlanders and the Unaka, the  elites of that era. From 1969 to 1977 the Kacaan was dominated by northern leaders especially the SNM Habro. 

 

There was time the chief of staff of the president ( Wasiirka Madaxtooyada) and speech writer, Ina Hawaadle Madar, the education minister , and the foreign minister was from Hargeisa. Couple that with Ismaaciil Cali Abokor who is in charge of every Kacaan project, from " the campaign to write the language, to the workers and all the Kacaan and socialism movements. He cousins from Burco Ahmed Siilanyo was the economy minister and another one Ahmed hassan Muuse a member Somali revltuionary Counsil. These six men from one single clan served either in the cabinet or other major portafolios. Add that Saleebaan Dafle and Muuse Rabiile from Awdal and Sool. At some point both jails and the police were commanded by northern officers.

 

Siyaad Barre never trusted the Puntlanders and the Unaka, the two groups who were the real establishment of that era. Siyaad Barre liked the can do attitude of the northerners. Who knows  since Farmaajo dislikes both the HAG and Puntlandes he might want to ally with the SNM Habro.

 

 In 1974/75, when a tough drought hit Togdheer and Sool region, the Somali state declared disaster and mobilized the whole state to rescue the populace. Huge Russian aircrafts were used to evacuate both the people and their remaining livestock. They were resteled in farming and fishing communities in Baraawe, Kunturwaarey and Sablaale.

 

Does Muuse and company ever mention this? No way. In fact, most of the EAst Burco active politicians of today are the children the Kacaan rescued from the plains of Togdheer during the drought. Among them are former chief of staff of Ahmed Siilaanyo and leader of WAdani Hersi Ali Hassam and Cali mareexaan former minister. Even Ina Xayir Maareeye, the current minister of information of Somalia  is the children rescued by the Kacaan. Yet, today each one of them will falsely claim to be Mujaahid although none of them were old enough.

 

Having said that , I do believe about the reports that Muuse send his clansmen to Mogadishu to find common ground with Farmaajo. While we have a system and somehow dysfunctional democracy in Somaliland,  both politics and business flow certain tribal trajectory. Muuse Biixi knows that his chances of coming back is very slim. If election is held today, he will lose big time. Those who voted for him In Awdal are unhappy and might join the opposition, in fact, some are already within the opposition column. Ahmed Dhagax community who were split to 60-40 are now  100% Wadani today. If Sool and Sanaag votes in full force , Muuse will be history. There is also the constant rumor of Wadani and west Burco being close to Mogadishu politicians. So, Mr Biixi want to prempty any future deals by Wadani and take the deal now. 

 

I do not blame him. Who want to debate or answer the constant Hargeisa quarrel that never ends. Every woman who loses a plot of land takes to microphone and blames him for her loss. Anyone fired for negligence accuses Muuse for fring him for tribal reasons. He is probably adjudicating every week the tribal issues of Ceel Afweyn, Burco, and Awdal which never ends. Rather than sit in  the kids  table while the big boys of the region are  talking  and smiling, Muuse is debating with Faysal Waraabe who might have praised him a month ago, but calls him today a loser and other names. Heck , if I were him I would leave this house of Morgan ans slide to the big Villa Of Somalia.

 

I wouldn't spend a minute with Boobe Yuusuf and the like who never believed in Somalia even when a northern was prime minister. THese dinosaurs are a dying breeds any way. Make the deal for the next generation. Of course all that pipe dream of " Aqoonsi" had to be  slayed for good. And while at it bring the capital to Hargeisa.

 

Despite my condemnations I really like Muuse Biixi. He was A God send for those of a unionists like me. I knew from the beginning he will not last among the bikering of Hargeisa. Even the good prof. Ahmed Samater said, " he is a decisive leader" (Muuse Ku dhac buu leeyahay). Well, if that is true, he have to show us now. . He needs few good counselors to sell the issue to the people. He can tell them that " with Abiy, UAE and others on my neck I could even face an insurgency within".  It doesn't take much to organize few disgruntled Sand Dwellers from Hawd mixed with OG to do mischief, or few Awdalites in the border to cut trade routes.  Waar meesha inta aysan Xabashidu inagu dumin maynu heshiino.

 

Furthermore, the big money boys like Dahabshiil and In Aw Said of Somcable are eager to expand to the south where the population is. Two million people market is nothing in the real business world. Berbera is bigger than to feed Borama, Hargeisa and Burco. 

 

Rather than being forced to make a deal by a man who is presiding a fragile Ethiopia, why not sit down with your own brother and take the victory. for yourself.

 

WAar inta Axmaarku ku qasbi lahaa , adigoo xor ah Libinta qaado.

 

[Dhaqaale]

Galbeedi you make good points but you miss the most important ingredient. Which is Somalis do not have a healthy brain to work with, this is a foundational truth that cannot be ignored. The fact that the north was given top jobs in the kacaan government tells you all you need to know about Somali intelligence and vision planning; why did the north rebel against a government they had dominanted? Why didn't they build on the success of the pervious administration (1960-1969). Why was the clan issue not tackled effectively before things got out of hand? The answer is simple...Somalis are too emotional, impulsive, greedy and counter productive. They lost a country they were given in 1960 and instead of making it a success story they decided to self destruct. They rather live in poverty than have to be ruled by another clan. Utter madness..

If Somalis want to move forward they are going to have to confront why things are the way they are and deal with their issues instead of running away from them. But looking around the world I don't see things changing anytime soon.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Galbeedi  still  think he can convince people of the fake union its been almost 30 years. And no one in Somaliland. Or in Somalia is interested to relive the past of war and misery. That cancerous union brought only. Death and destruction for both countries. 

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

I seriously think galbeedi is either very naive  or he is believes his own nonsense. President biixi is the last man on earth who would show weakness  to the koonfurians. And to think Somalilanders would  trade their country to be ruled by the UN bureaucrats and amisom merceneiries. Who gives galbeedi this false hope. And now he concludes that Ethiopia under the oromo fellow is uniting Somalia with somaliland. This is madness