A historic day - 26th of Jan 1991. Afwayne seeks protection from Kenya's Daniel Arap Moi

[Suldaanka]

 

[gooni]

Taariikhda waxaa laga qoraa caddaan iyo madaw midkood ama waa laysku dhex daraa.

Caddaanka iyo quruxdeedu waa intuu talada hayay oo aan bini aadamka u ekayn.

Madawga iyo foolxumadeeduna waa intuu tagay oo aan bahalada noqonay.

Snm waxay isku meel dhigaysa bashaar azad iyo siyaad barre

Azad wali wakiilkiisii wuxuu ka dhex doodayaa qaramada midoobay ama UN'ka.

Aydoo aduunkoo dhan daawanayo fuustooyin qarax wada oo dadka guryahooda ku duminaya.

ilmo radiic ah ama naaska hooyadii kaliya ku nool oo hooyadii dhagax hoostii ku dhimatay asna lug ka go'ay bay daawadaan maalin walba.

Smn maskax la'aantooda diyaarado hargaysa kor maray, labo gabdhood oo ku dhicisay, bay taariikh aqoonsi ka dhigteen.

[gooni]

5 hours ago, Oodweyne said:

Hello Folks,

Would somebody be good enough to tell this sniffling, low-born, aggravating, troll, call Gooni, that what we are actually discussing in this threat is stuff like history (a verifiable history, no less). Political philosophy (as in the origin of "Faqash Ideological concept"). And finally, we are homing-on into the "telltale sign" of the reality of any State or nation that in turn will indicate as to whether they are "susceptible" (and why) to that sort of "virulent political ideology", like so much a bad virus that could be in the air.

All of that, therefore, is wordy (or mouthful) way of saying that since he hasn't got much of anything of substance to which to contribute in here. Then he really ought to make himself disappear from here, and go on to sell his "trolling tactics" at some where else, really. 

My friend 

You never made a good and helth debate ever.
Why you going court without shoes?

Hadii aadan doonayn ra'yiga dadka kale duriyada ha dhaafin.

Aabihii umadana been haka sheegin haduu sidii azad idiin layn lahaa maanta sawirkiisa yaad dhunkan lahayd magiciisana waxaad ka hor marin lahayd (sayid) ka dibna (Ra'iis.)

[Tallaabo]

8 minutes ago, Apophis said:

Ninyahow doofarka adinka un ba cabudi jiray, oo abo idin aha.

 

I have known a lot of good people from the late tyrant's clan so the "doofaar worshippers" don't represent the whole clan but themselves. 

[Che -Guevara]

23 minutes ago, Tallaabo said:

I have known a lot of good people from the late tyrant's clan so the "doofaar worshippers" don't represent the whole clan but themselves. 

The funny thing is everyone worked for him. They even behave like him. Just examine every so called Somali of the last 30 years apart from Ciigaal who was genuine politician.

Don't bother with axadkaas.

[gooni]

2 hours ago, Apophis said:

If it wasn’t for Mohamud Barrow, chief of the Kenya army back then he would have been captured by Aideed and shot.

And rightfully soI might add.

He run from Gedo and we know how Aideed took his revenge.

 

 

 

Saxib 
Mahamud Barrow, kuwan uunsanaya miyuu ka caqli badnaa?

Adeer

Daniel arab moi wuu kala yaqaanay libaax waraabe dhaawacay iyo doofaar uu dhaqdo.

[maakhiri1]

So is This  the new revisionist history?

Actually,  by staying  at Gedo for 2 years ,  and sometimes  almost took back Mogadishu, and onetime taking Afgoye, Siyad saved Somalis from maniacal  Lunatic dumb Aydiid, he denied the final success.who may know a little how run militia but zero about governance,  and started ethnic cleansing 

USC were animals, if they could  get Siyad,  of course which they could not do,  we would  have Hitler/Mussolini  kind of government,  Of course Siyad had his men and protected him, by then Snm of course were nonexistent and defeated. Many reports from UN, US government available proving how SNM at end, gave up and were returning,  if it was not USC, Siyad dynasty would have continued till today.

In fact, SNM sent 100s of Clan leaders to Aiydid  to congratulate, for what they couldn't do, there are YouTube videos available,  and he humiliate them, he was manicial and only cared replace  Siyaad and ethnic cleanse D blcok.

[Suldaanka]

54 minutes ago, maakhiri1 said:

USC were animals, if they could  get Siyad,  of course which they could not do,  we would  have Hitler/Mussolini  kind of government,  Of course Siyad had his men and protected him, by then Snm of course were nonexistent and defeated. Many reports from UN, US government available proving how SNM at end, gave up and were returning,  if it was not USC, Siyad dynasty would have continued till today.

 It was in the plans for the SNM to create a rebellion in the South. Which is understandable since the political capital is in the South and very far from the operating theatre of the SNM. In fact, the 3rd SNM Chairman Col. Abdiqadir Koosaar was assassinated while organising what will become the USC in Mustaxiil area. 

One can actually say that the USC was the brainchild of the SNM, the very first leadership of the USC were Ex-SNM leaders i.e. Mr. Wardhiigley etc. The very first melitia under the banner of the USC were actually either drawn from SNM rankfile H-clan members or newly trained clan melitia in SNM run training camps. 

In any case, the SNM's had its hands all over the USC. 

It all seems surreal how things have unfolded. Afwayne was bogged down in the mountainous regions of the North, he made the biggest mistake when he moved all his eggs to the North. All the USC done was just walk down to his residency and round up the policemen since there was hardly any military left in the South. 

The SNM defeated Afwayne militarily, politically and tactically. It is a complete defeat, in such a short span of time - from creation in 1981 and victory in 1991 - 10 years. You cannot find any other rebel group in the world to have done that record. 

[maakhiri1]

Anyways, USC was least disciplined of all Jabhadaha, hence why the vacuum lasted that long.

They had zero plan, only galvanize militias and target only one clan.

Many of the non D block advisors , Generals of Siyad, were not touched and welcome in both Mogadishu and Hargaisa,(hence they were fighting ideology  is fake) while they massacred  innocent people just because they were D block, USC like shabaab today were  really afraid of the educated elites from D block,  hence ordered ethnic cleansing 

SNM ALSO killed 100s of innocent in Berbera and Hargaisa , where also Abdiqasim,  who was minister under Siyad, and part  of dicision making in the government came  to Hargaisa, now collecting guns for USC.

[Tallaabo]

3 hours ago, maakhiri1 said:

Anyways, USC was least disciplined of all Jabhadaha, hence why the vacuum lasted that long.

They had zero plan, only galvanize militias and target only one clan.

Many of the non D block advisors , Generals of Siyad, were not touched and welcome in both Mogadishu and Hargaisa,(hence they were fighting ideology  is fake) while they massacred  innocent people just because they were D block, USC like shabaab today were  really afraid of the educated elites from D block,  hence ordered ethnic cleansing 

SNM ALSO killed 100s of innocent in Berbera and Hargaisa , where also Abdiqasim,  who was minister under Siyad, and part  of dicision making in the government came  to Hargaisa, now collecting guns for USC.

Maakhiri saaxiib your allegations have no basis at all. It is a well known fact that the SNM neither harmed any civilians of any clan nor pursued Siyaad Barre's henchmen. On the contrary, when they liberated what was then the Northern states of the Somali Republic, they just gave a blanket amnesty to everyone and concentrated their efforts on reconciliation and rebuilding of our shattered lives. They neither had the will nor the time for indulging in counterproductive revenge taking mashruuc. 

[gooni]

Snm waa ku saxan yihiin inay ahaayeen maskaxdii duminta qaranimada soomaaliya.

Waxaad raadisaan labo su'aalood jawaabteeda

1- Maxay ahayd sababta ku kaliftay inay dagaalamaan markeedii horaba?

2- Muxuu ahaa hadafkoodu dagaalka ka dib?

Hadii aad ka hesho jawaab waafi ah dagaalkoodu xaq buu ahaa.

Hadii aad ka waydo jawaab sax ah waxay u shaqaynayeen yuhuudaas caruurta daahirka ah hargaysa ku dhunkanaya maanta.

Waa wax aad u sahlan fahamkeedu walaalayaal.

Usc buur baa lagasoo daadiyay wabina way isku buurteen, balse waxaa laga heli jiray dad shisheeyaha neceb inkastoo ay hadda is badaleen.

Xuseen kulmiye alaha u naxariistee, bay xaflad u dhigeen una mashxaradeen.

Wuxuuna ku yiri in aadnan dawlad waxba ka aqoon yaa ii muuqata.

Waxay ku abaal marinayeen inuu ahaa ku xigeenkii siyaad barre ayagoo shacab qabiil dartiis ku laynaya.

[Suldaanka]

@maakhiri1

Waxaad isku khaldaysa dagaaladda qabaliga ah, ee laba beelood oo jaar/daris ah isku dhacaan iyo Organisation SNM.

Waa kala laba. Dagaalka qabaliga ah SNM ka hor waa jiray, SNM ka dib waa jira, SNM kolkay jirtay waa socday. Waliba 1980kii Siyad Barre siyaasaddihii uu kula dagaalamaayay SNM ayay ka mid ahayd dagaaladda qabaliga ah. Reer walba reerka dariska la ah ayuu ku xudho-xudheeyay. 

Way jirtay in marmar dagaalo Qabiil boqolaal la iska dili jiray, waxa ka mid ah dagaaladdi Haye-Haye (Haye Bari iyo Haye Galbeed), waxa ka mid dagaaladdi ka dhici jiray Ceerigaabo. Waxa ka mid ah dagaaladdi Buuhoodle. Waxa ka mid ah dagaaladdi Kilka shanaad ee jahbadda ONLF/WSLF iyo beelo degaanka ah ku dagaalami jireen. 

Waxa ka mid ahaa dagalaadi Gabiley iyo waqooyiga Awdal/Lughaya oo ciidan beeleedyo si wayn looo hubeeyay dad badan ku laayeen.

Inta badan dadkiii SNM taageerijiray difaac ayay ku jireen oo kolka rugtaada iyo reerkaaga lagugu soo doonto, waad iska celinaysa.

 

This is Abwaan Qaasim oo gabay ka tiriyay sidii Dawladdi Afwayne u hubaysay beelaha.

 

Ma-Geydada Isaaq nimanka dhacay mahadin maayaane
Marreexaan Gedood iyo Absame nama miskeedaane
Dadkan mawdku noo soo hor kacay waannu maax duminne

Midgihiyo Sabtana waan u talin Maagga Samarroone
Maarraha Ugaaslabe la baxay waa masala dhaafe
Akishaha masiibadu waddaa waa milga habow'e

Ma-Hadhada Bartire nagula kacay waaba loo marag'e
Abasguulka Malaggiisu galay mudh isa soo siiye
Inuu Gerina noo soo mir tegey meel fog laga sheegye

Maqalloo Gahayluhuna waa noo min tiriyaaye
Mindiyaha Jidwaaq iyo warmuu miridhi dooneeye
Sheekhaashti midabbayn jirtaa noogu maag badane

Isna Muxumud reerii ka guur magansigoodiiye
Malluugahays beddelay waa waqtigu maad u leeyahaye
Madax-gaabtu riiq maleh dagaal laysu maan baxaye

In Maxaysatada lagu dhugtami wayska maan garanne
Maajeenta Qarafbaa belbelin midhan ku tuuraaye
Guul lama maroorsado haddaan looga dhalan meele

Maayaddii Tumaalkiyo hadday murugtay heestiiye
Mawdii Durbaankiyo la waa mooya-tumihiiye
Illayn waxay mashxaraddii ahayd maalmo nabadeede

Ways muujin sheekadu sidii maamka loo dhigo'e
Halkaan Calanka ugu soo muday magansan doontaaye
Muddaduna sidaan filayo waa maalmo dabadeede

Gobannimada kii maal baxshee cadaw mahiibsiiyey
Iyo magaca ka u dhiidhiyee miiratada laayey
Nin kastaba abaal waxa la marin ka u mutaystaaye

Saddex-Magac-Alle inaan dib loo murugsanaanayne
Markhaataan ka dhigayaa tixaha marag ha loo yeelo
Muranbaaba laysugu dhintee maanso iga reeba

 

@gooni

inaad intan dhaantid ayaan u haystay. Laakin iska celi beestayn ayaa tahay. 

 

[Dhaqaale]

From what I have learned over the years and the behaviour that I have observed from Somalis is this; Somalis do not have the temperament for civilisation. We are not intelligent like the Chinese, Koreans or Japanese. We are easily destroyed and tossed into the dustbin. So much for Nomadic "toughness" and "rugged individualism" both unproven and shown in the Somali to be the opposite.

[Dhaqaale]

11 hours ago, Oodweyne said:

If that is really the "concluding summation" in which you have come away from it, particularly after you have studied Somalis in a depthly and minutely manner, then I am afraid I have to say that really was wasted effort on your part, at best of it. Or failing that, then at worse of it, you have been "reading" the "wrong books" as well as "observing" the "wrong crowd" in their beehive mode of communal activities (as it were), really.

Hence, which ever the case may be, I think you need to go back to the drawing board and see how you have get this far out in the "wrong direction" from what you have set it out to find it in the first place before you have wasted your precious effort in this so tragic of a way. Think about, my friend.

In science experimental results determine whether a theory holds merit or not. Somalis were given a country in 1960 and failed to keep it. We can debate the factors that lend to state collapse but the end product i.e results on the ground point to a simple truth. Somalis are not intelligent enough to build and maintain a civilisation. 

[Dhaqaale]

^^^

A state has the right to defend it's sovereignty from any domestic or either foreign threats. If Siyad is wrong then everyone government is wrong for securing it's state from clan supremacist who chose clan over a functioning state. The SNM rebels knew they were committing a crime against the state, they got what they deserved in my opinion. Every state has a right to use any force necessary to save it's state and people. 1 silly clan in the north has no more right then any other clan in the nation, do u pay more taxes you cunt?

I hate criminals who cry for justice, no you lost that right when you committed a crime. Those little clan terrorists are responsible for us sitting here for 30 years as refugees. Weak argument  that has been responded to many times on forums and on TV even.