N.O.R.F Posted January 7, 2008 ^^Depends on the court's juresdiction surely Banning will make alot of Somalis criminals overnight but who cares? Families will see the results in the end. Kids will have their father's around and so will wives plus maybe an extra income. This will lead to better school results and with fathers at home more often young boys may just decide against joining the local gang. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NGONGE Posted January 7, 2008 ^^ You really believe this is how things will pan out? I always knew you were an optimist but this is sickening, saaxib. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
N.O.R.F Posted January 7, 2008 LoL I think thats the way things will pan out. Maybe not absoltely 100% but banning qaad is only a good thing. I even have a way of achieving it. A long shot but pressure by UN/WFP on Kenya to use that fertile land for crops and not qaad could lead to a reducton at least. The reduced taxes will no longer be that much of an asset to the Her Majesty's Customs and Excise. ps dont worry I dont think you will ever be a criminal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
underdog Posted January 7, 2008 LOL I thought the Dads were missing because Mom could get a few extra dollars from the welfare check. That logic is a little twisted. Is dad away from home becuase of the jaad or is he on jaad so that he doesn't have to go home? There's seems to be a very high need for forcing change. A lot of attempts to beat people into submission. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
N.O.R.F Posted January 7, 2008 ^^Like it or not, a ban is good for Somali society. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
underdog Posted January 7, 2008 ^^ Like it or not, It's NOT. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Laba-X Posted January 7, 2008 ^^IT IS! Banning those leaves will see the return of minds currently helf in captivity to their rightful owners! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
underdog Posted January 7, 2008 9 pages later I'll go back to my initial statements. 1) There is no solid detailed proof of any damage caused by khat 2) Those proposing the ban can not explain or show in any detail what benefits the community will get from the ban. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
N.O.R.F Posted January 7, 2008 ^^All I have heard from you UD is that: 1) Somalis will become criminals 2) No qaad will lead to the use of heavier drugs/alcohol (without any solid analysis of course) Lets say both the above become true and they occur if qaad is banned. Number 1 all will simply have to give the stuff up (if not they are just being silly and risking a criminal record/jail etc) and number 2 may happen with a minority of the current qaad users but not for long. So, what is wrong with banning qaad. Plenty of solid studies have been conducted all indicating that it is bad for you. A quick google search will these up. All in all, banning is good and the benefits for both individuals and families outweigh the negatives. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Laba-X Posted January 7, 2008 Underdog, this discussion has now reached its zenith - we are arguing in circles from this point forward and regurgitating the same old lines. I am not going to give you statistics or anything of that sort, but here is the general consensus Damage caused by Qat - • disintegrated families • high divorce rates • wives absconding from their husbands because of qat • children lacking supportive parents • children lacking ambitious role models • children with low aspiration levels Benefits the community will get • consciousness/ Damiir • happier mothers • better looked after families • father playing a father’s role in the household • better attainment levels of children if fathers support them • a cohesive and well-glued society The man is at the helm of the household – he steers the boat through the rapid streams and blustery storms – if he is now around to do his job, sometimes it is too difficult for a mother of 8 to manage on her own. And the culprit is mostly – if not always – Qat. Now, lets stop arguing in circles, for we all know the truth. twisting it here and there does not solve the problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paragon Posted January 7, 2008 ^^Actually prohibiting Khaad would turn out to be more expensive than many would have us believe. Moreover, the act of banning it would make khaad gain a fashionable status. If it becomes as rare/expensive as heroin, coke or even marijuana, then you are looking at its glamourization and associative effects. Ban it and you increase demand. Expendature comes in the form of hard earned cash. Collateral - time (adding many hours to work)/energy/family. Most crucially, may men with alot of children on child benefit would allocate this vital income to buy khaat. Currently half of the child beenfits go to Ayuutos . Thus, if one thought banning it would help fathers/men and their families then think again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
N.O.R.F Posted January 7, 2008 ^^I think more would simply give up and a minority will continue in search of the stuff but only for a while. You will see a minimal number chewing but how would it be smuggled in? Under Tesco banana crates? The majority will give which is where the benefits outweigh the negatives (by a minority). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Laba-X Posted January 7, 2008 ^^ What is the suggestion then Isseh? i agree, people covet what is forbidden, but, in all honesty, issues to tackle/curb the drug must be enforced. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Laba-X Posted January 7, 2008 Originally posted by Northerner: The majority will give which is where the benefits outweigh the negatives (by a minority). I am in tune here with North's hardline stance : the benefits outweigh the negatives Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
N.O.R.F Posted January 7, 2008 ^^Next question is how a ban can be obtained? I thought that campaign in 2005 may do the trick but it failed so what next? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
