17 terror suspects arrested in Toronto

[Snake-i]

Controlling the masses is not such a novel idea invented by the west. It happens everywhere. The west has a population that has more freedoms than many other societies. To control a free society such as Canada, UK or the US, the rulers must jump through many hoops to gain effective control. They would control education, awareness and of course the media. They would shape the opinions of the populace through gradual indoctrination. If countries of the west were dictatorships, no dog and pony show would be presented to invade any country. It would just be invaded and the public told later.

Their agenda is successful, they have controlled what the people have to know, by controlling their surroundings and the information they receive from the start. ask any american or candian they have no idea what is going on in somalia and the american involvement. that such tells as they will know only what is put forth to them.

 

Finally, the degree to which the public is actively involved and forces the rulers to listen is the degree with which foreign (or domestic) agression is limited. It's an inverse relationship. A populace more concerned with who wins "American Idol" than why Iraq is the mess that it is, is a well indoctrinated and preferred populace.

Tell me about that, these people are so easily distracted all those celebrities out there, they can't help it but go crazy over them.

 

How about that American Idol season finale, eh?

I think the guy that won was a Jew

[Castro]

^ Really? I didn't know. I've never watched an episode of that show. Though I hear it had 50 million viewers in America. Imagine if 50 million Americans wrote to congress about stopping the war instead of using their cellphones to vote for the next American Idol? My point exactly.

[Snake-i]

Oops i must have been one of those viewers, such guilty.

 

Well, you can't blame me there is no cable.

 

:mad: you right about that one castro, 50 million

[BN]

Originally posted by Castro:

^ I wouldn't be surprised one bit. Somalis are in fashion nowadays. From the London (foiled

) bombings to the war in Muqdisho at the moment. The mere association of the word Somali provides more bang for the marketing (of war) buck.

The "facts" are proving you right Castro...Somalis do indeed seem to be in fashion.

 

And right on queue, here is the latest media spin:

 

They[suspects] include men of

Somali

, Egyptian, Jamaican, and Trinidadian origin. All are residents of Canada and “for the most part†all are Canadian citizens, police said.

[N.O.R.F]

What happened in Canada is a classic example of using fear to force a population to support a war mysterious to the public. Recently, a Canadian soldier was killed in combat. She was young, white and blonde and her picture flashed across the tv screens the world over. Canadians started asking questions. "Why are we in Afghanistan spending our money and the lives of our youth?" They asked their politicans. And the death of that fine soldier coincided with the extension of the Canadian "mandate" in Afghanistan an extra two years through 2009. The public wanted answers to the death and the extension but the politicians have not the desire nor does the public have the aptitude to comprehend the answer. So to solve this problem, they find 17 "terrorists", of which 5 are children (LOL), and flash them across the screens.

Ditto for Britania. Recent killings of troops, pressure on govnt to set a date for withdrawal, other high profile issues etc. Solution, arrest a bunch bearded fellas, splash it across the papers, news tv and all is forgotten.

[Rose]

Originally posted by Castro:

Ah, yet another page straight out of the American book (ruse) of war on terror. First, the support for war is diminishing (in this case, Canadian troops in Afghanistan). The population questions why Canada has any troop in that country to begin with. Then the public must be scared into believing the war on terror is being fought

there

(Kandahar) so it wouldn't come

here

(Etobicoke). To accomplish this, descend upon some Arab/Muslim men in the middle of the night while being heavily armed. Call the news stations in advance to capture the whole "raid" on film for maximum television exposure. End result, the ignorant and scared public overwhelmingly supports the war again. Just like magic. Until a few months go by and the retarded public forgets again

why

their precious tax dollars are being pilfered in Afghanistan and elsewhere.

 

Same film, different (Canadian) actors. :rolleyes:

Nicely put there Casro! was funny..Govts seek to control and condition their citizens as much as they can i guess. The truth will come out as to what happened in east london in the days ahead..

 

You may have heard we have the same script over

here, (UK) with fewer protagonists but a hole array of extra's

[Socod_badne]

Bin Laden: The latest action in Moscow is only a response to what is happening to all Muslim brothers around the world.... Our people in Palestine are being killed, are being subjected to the worst kind of suffering for almost a century now... If we defend our people in Palestine the world is disturbed and allied against Muslims under the banner of combating terrorism... This is in response to what is happening to our brothers in Palestine who are being killed every day. So we are issuing a warning to citizens of countries allied with the United States.

 

-Nov 2002

 

 

As evinced by Bin Laden excerpts above, Canada is in clear and present danger from Bin Laden group or ideologically affiliated groups. Not cooked up bogeymen to bring around waning public support for foriegn military excursions.

 

The wheels of justice are in motion, let justice run it's course. At least they won't get their heads slowly sawn off or summarily excuted.

[Socod_badne]

Originally posted by Modesty:

socod-Badne, I sometimes doubt you are a somali and muslim by your comments, you sound like a red-neck most of the time.

Sounding red-neck is part of the shtik!

 

 

Balse, hadaad rabti xaqiiqda Somaalinimo-deeda, kaaley dhabteeda ku soo fadhiiso kadib baa dhegta aan kugu sheege.

[Castro]

Originally posted by Socod_badne:

As evinced by Bin Laden excerpts above, Canada is in clear and present danger from Bin Laden group or ideologically affiliated groups. Not cooked up bogeymen to bring around waning public support for foriegn military excursions.

Is that your final answer? Perhaps you'd like to phone a friend?

 

In addition to shoring up support for a doomed mission in Afghanistan, the defence industry both north and south of the 49th parallel is delighted there's finally a right-wing government in power in Ottawa. This translates to an increase not only in the historically and relatively anemic defence budget, but also on discretionary domestic "security" spending. Furthermore, this grandstanding just happened to coincide with the supreme court of Canada deliberations into the constitutionality of security certificates. These certificates are used for "indefinite" detention of anyone suspected of terror. Quite convenient all these coincidences, wouldn't you say, analytical SB?

 

Incidents such as the drama in Brampton this past weekend are staged to maximize the fear of the public and to show the government is actually doing something with all the money being siphoned to line the pockets of war (and security) profiteers.

 

That's it atheer.

[-Lily-]

Whilst alot of this may be staged, I do think that there is a more effective way to stand up to those whom you view as your enemies. You beat them at their own game, as Hamas did.

[N.O.R.F]

Detainee OO: 'The Cruellest Case in a Catalogue of Cruelty'

(There is at present a Contempt of Court Order by SIAC prohibiting the publication of the name. Instead he has been given the initials “OO†by SIAC)

 

The decision by the then Home Secretary last August to lock people up and deport them to countries which actively practiced torture was a shocking one. All of the men arrested on August 11th last year had already been accepted by the Home Office as being so at risk in their respective countries of origin that they could not be deported; i.e. they were acknowledged as being in grave danger.

 

The Home Office’s sudden decision was that they could be deported, and that all the UK had to do to avoid being in breach of its binding obligations under the Refugee Convention was to get the country of origin to sign an agreement that they would not torture those particular individuals. Thus the United Kingdom broke ranks with the International Human Rights Community who view such memoranda as giving the green light to those countries that continue to practice torture as the norm in their society. Furthermore, such memoranda are universally acknowledged as “not to be worth the paper that they are written onâ€.

 

However the most shocking and the most baffling decision to deport an acknowledged refugee came on 26th January 2006, when a wheelchair-bound stroke victim, a respected and law abiding imam, (who had never been questioned by the police in this country where he had lived since 1991 entirely lawfully with his family (all British citizens), was suddenly arrested. This arrest came as the cruellest shock of all to the informed community however accustomed that community had become to injustice and cruelty. In the most simple of humanitarian terms, even the police who arrived at Detainee OO’s house to arrest him on the orders of the Home Secretary were shocked; they had not been warned to expect a man unable to walk, confined to a wheelchair, paralysed down one side, suffering from diabetes and possible kidney failure. His general practitioner and the doctor who had treated his strokes immediately signalled their extreme concern; an application for bail was initiated the day after his arrest; but SIAC in return gave the Home Office the latitude of extended time to respond to the urgent medical reports filed within 24 hours on behalf of Detainee OO.

 

Meanwhile the Home Office served its “evidence†as to why Detainee OO was a risk to national security and why he should not be granted bail. Their objections revealed nothing concrete with which Detainee OO could even grapple. It was simply stated “he is assessed to be a member of an Islamist extremist group which has been linked to extremist activity in the UK and overseas†and it was suggested that there was a significant risk that he, an immobilised invalid could abscond even if allowed home under conditions which amounted to complete house arrest. The Home Office used SIAC’s secret hearing procedure to make good its case. No one knows what is said there. SIAC refused Detainee OO bail despite compelling medical evidence.

 

He had to be taken almost immediately from prison to hospital with bleeding to the brain. A second bail application was immediately initiated.

 

It was again refused. Even Detainee OO’s own attempts to monitor his food within Belmarsh prison (in order to intake the few foods he knew that his system could absorb, he being a trained medic himself) met with the suggestion that his condition was his fault because he was “not cooperating†with Belmarsh. He was refused bail a second time.

 

On Thursday night he was rushed again from Belmarsh to hospital, suffering again from bleeding from his brain.

 

This time, his condition was even graver; he was transferred overnight to a specialist neurosurgical unit where drainage could take place; he for a while showed no reflexes at all; he remains unconscious. His family have struggled to see him. Every conceivable difficulty has stood between them and their vigil with a man unlikely now to survive more than days.

 

There is no prospect whatsoever that this man could be deported. To subject him and his family to any continuing pretence that this is possible is merely a device that impacts totally upon their rights (and his) to privacy, to respect for their religion and their family life and their right to freedom from the infliction of cruel and inhuman suffering, mental and physical.

 

This is the cruellest case in a catalogue of cruelty. We should be ashamed.

 

Birnberg Peirce

1st June 2006

 

 

SOURCE: Muslim Prisoner Support Group

[Socod_badne]

Canadian Authorities Expect More Arrests

 

By ANTHONY DePALMA

Published: June 5, 2006

TORONTO, June 5 — Canadian authorities said today they expected to make more arrests in what they have described as a broad terrorist plot to acquire materials for homemade bombs.

 

In an interview today with the Canadian Broadcast Corportion, Mike McDonnell, assistant commissioner of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, was asked whether arrest were expected in the near future. "I believe so," he said, adding: "We will be following every investigative lead we have to its conclusion. Anybody who aided, facilitated or participated in this terrorist event will be arrested and brought to the courts."

 

Most of the 17 men and youths arrested over the weekend in a large counter-terrorism sweep are scheduled to appear Tuesday morning in an Ontario courtroom for preliminary bail hearings. The specific charges against them are expected to be detailed for the first time.

 

At least 6 of the 17 people in the counterterrorism operation over the weekend regularly attended the same storefront mosque in this middle-class Toronto suburb of modest brick rental townhouses and well-kept lawns, fellow worshipers said Sunday.

 

Their attendance at the mosque, Al-Rahman Islamic Centre for Islamic Education, is one of the few public pieces of information that clearly link any of the suspects — 12 adults and 5 youths — in one of the biggest antiterrorism arrests in North America since the Sept. 11 attacks.

 

Members at a mosque prayer meeting on Sunday said the six fellow worshipers who were arrested included the eldest, Qayyum Abdul Jamal, 43, described by several acquaintances as a school bus driver and an active member of the mosque who frequently led prayers, made fiery speeches and influenced young people who attended the services.

 

"He spent a lot of time with youth," said Faheem Bukhari, a director of the Mississauga Muslim Community Center who sometimes attended prayers at the mosque. "He'd take them for soccer or bowling, and talk to them."

 

Mr. Bukhari said Mr. Jamal never openly embraced violence or talked about Al Qaeda, but was "very vocal and I believe could incite these young kids for jihad."

 

 

Read more here

 

 

Castro,

 

Still adamant these arrests were for publicity stunt?

[Jacpher]

Originally posted by Socod_badne:

Balse, hadaad rabti xaqiiqda Somaalinimo-deeda, kaaley dhabteeda ku soo fadhiiso kadib baa dhegta aan kugu sheege.

War maxaad ku hadaaqday?

 

Madmadoobe Allaa ku yaqaan!

[N.O.R.F]

So these guys atteneded the same mosque and took part in the same activities organised by the mosque. That is enough to arrest them? Give me a break Canada.

 

Mr. Bukhari said Mr. Jamal never openly embraced violence or talked about Al Qaeda, but was "very vocal and I believe could incite these young kids for jihad."

Not violent, never spoke of terrorism but 'could' still be a threat. What a load cr*p based on falsified information.

 

What happened to the freedoms and rights of the Canadian people? If they are muslims then its ok i suppose?

[Jamilah]

Originally posted by Modesty:

socod-Badne, I sometimes doubt you are a somali and muslim by your comments, you sound like a red-neck most of the time.

My thoughts precisely.