From US Archives - 'I will pray to Jesus..." Daaquudkii Mohamed Siyad Barre

[Old_Observer]

On 10/21/2019 at 8:59 AM, Duufaan said:

In addition with huge increase of corruption and mismanagement as old man got injured late 80's. The US president Regan was responsible the fail of Siyad regime. After soviet union was done and UAE got a new leader, today leader. They decide Siyaad must go by stopping several million dollars, he was receiving from Arab countries. After the money stopped, they assigned Aided and other to enter Somalia from Ethiopia. The rebel fighting has nothing to do the clopse of regime, it was more about the geo-polital changes in the early ninths when Soviet clapsed

The relationships were as follows:

Arabs had nothing to do with Aidiid, he was brought in by Mengistu for Ethiopia to avoid northerners and to prevent the Ethiopian Rebels from their friends in Somalia like SSDF and WSLF.

Somaliland force was mainly supported by officers in the chain more than Mengistu. Mengistu and his close circle did not want any Northerner in Somalia or Ethiopia. They are very similar too, now one can see why Mengistu hated Northerners in Somalia as well.

The biggest traitor foreign country was Egypt for late Barre. They promised the sky including free soviet made weapons since they were changing to western weapons, doctors and any non-front line assistance. Once the war began they disappeared.

SNM to give credit where its due, never dealt with Ethiopia by throwing their fellow Somalis under the bus. They never tried to take advantage of the SSDF and Mengistu conflicts. They did not try to take advantage of the WSLF and Somalia conflicts and splits. They cannot be blamed of taking short cuts or short time advantage long term pain.

 

You can observe their behaviour later as well. EPRDF/Tigray was completely and close connection with SSDF. Somaliland has kept at all times with self respect and also respect for the Somali in general. Djibouti and Kililka know this.

 

 

[Old_Observer]

On 10/20/2019 at 10:34 PM, Suldaanka said:

You can actually feel the desparation from just reading the archives of Afwayne and his cronies during the 1980s. Specially after a serious of spectucular loses to the SNM in 1984, 1985 and 1986.  

Wuxu ordo, wuxu Jesus u sujuudo, wuxu Israel kabaha u leefo, waxay aakhir noqotay in Mingistu isku dhiibo.

The SNM, was step ahead... and the 'Final countdown had begun".

 

Dar Allay u kibirtee;Haddaan iilka lagu degin
Haddaan meydku duurkiyo;; Derrimaha ka fara badan
Sanqadhaa dabayshiyo; Haddaan fiinta laga didin

Fadhigay ku daaqdee; Haddaan soodhku dalandalin
Halka doobi lala maro; Haddaan raacdo daba gurin
Dacfalaanka mahaddiyo; Dardarsiga barwaaqada
Iyo doosha subbaga; leh Haddaan laysu dacarayn

Inta daran intaw daran Haddan; duulal lagu falin
Haddaan deebta gumuciyo; Lagu guban dabkaan shido
Duhur laysla wada jiro; Haddaan guusha lay deyn
Alley-lehe docdaydii; Ha Goblamo dad weynuhu.

Z. Barre did not even tell WSLF when he signed with Kenya.

The question was, if we are fighting for all Somalis to be under the same tent, why are we fighting even a stronger state when you are signing part of us away to kenya for ever?

After a meeting in Djibouti he had agreed to sign the same with Ethiopia and delimit the border completely, but one Ethiopian official took that item out for next meeting so that not to humiliate the Somali.

There is nothing dictators would not do or say when in touble.

Mengistu also tried similar with his Rebels, except they were stronger then him

[Dhaqaale]

For selfish reason the SNM fort for the removal of the Kacaan forces from their lands. The SNM are not a revolutionary group seceding from a tyrant king as in the case of America. The SNM were a terrorist organisation like the PKK or hezbel allah fighting for supremacy against other groups it deemed inferior. Which is why no Darood sub clans were admitted into he the northern struggle. This was a fight between racist Isaaq and a legitimate government of Barre (remember the Isaaqs supported Barre's coup in 1969). So what changed?

The SNM just got lucky when more than one factor went their way. Using hit and run attacks, planting bombs for military convoys and assassinating police chiefs in Hargeisa are the tactics of terrorist organisation think of the IRA. If Barre succeeded in defeating the SNM they would be seen as a terrorist organisation today. Look at what is happening in Syria; without Russian support the Syrian regime would have fallen long ago.International support for Barre's regime soured and Aid money stopped in 1989. The fact he was fighting a new faction group created in the same fashion as the SNM, the United Somali Congress headed by Ali mahid and Aideed. A couple of additional missteps and Barre was out of power.

Understand this the Northern Isaaq hate Barre because he did not give them lucrative jobs and help them loot the country...only the Marehan were given this. The Isaaqs are bitter because they never got an opportunity to loot the resources of the country. Notice what they are doing to their fellow Isaaqs in Hargeisa today, confiscating land, resources ect... Muse Bixi learnt all this form Barre. The same old song playing itself out this time in Somaliland.

[Suldaanka]

18 hours ago, Old_Observer said:

The relationships were as follows:

Arabs had nothing to do with Aidiid, he was brought in by Mengistu for Ethiopia to avoid northerners and to prevent the Ethiopian Rebels from their friends in Somalia like SSDF and WSLF.

Somaliland force was mainly supported by officers in the chain more than Mengistu. Mengistu and his close circle did not want any Northerner in Somalia or Ethiopia. They are very similar too, now one can see why Mengistu hated Northerners in Somalia as well.

The biggest traitor foreign country was Egypt for late Barre. They promised the sky including free soviet made weapons since they were changing to western weapons, doctors and any non-front line assistance. Once the war began they disappeared.

SNM to give credit where its due, never dealt with Ethiopia by throwing their fellow Somalis under the bus. They never tried to take advantage of the SSDF and Mengistu conflicts. They did not try to take advantage of the WSLF and Somalia conflicts and splits. They cannot be blamed of taking short cuts or short time advantage long term pain.

 

You can observe their behaviour later as well. EPRDF/Tigray was completely and close connection with SSDF. Somaliland has kept at all times with self respect and also respect for the Somali in general. Djibouti and Kililka know this.

 

 

Whereas the SSDF relied on Libyan and Mengistu's generous handouts.. The SNM was fully self-funded by its vast diaspora network of supporters (by far the largest at the time). This afforded the SNM the ability to refuse or accept at will and to make independent choices. 

Also one of the most important aspects of this financial indepedence was its ability to keep its operations secret. 

 

 

 

[cubano]

I think WSLF was crushed by Ethiopia in 1984.

Siad Barre resigned Ogaden in 1988.

[Suldaanka]

Siyad Barre oo yidhi "Italianku waa ku mahadsanyihiin inay na gumaystaan". Hear it from the horse's mouth.  

 

 

[Suldaanka]

Bahdilaada ayaa kaga daran. Afwayne was a card-carrying colonial foot soldier.  

 

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[gooni]

Siyaad barre allaha u naxariistee gumayste wuu yaqaanay wuuna uga digay shacabkiisa in badan.

Halka snm ku gubaabinayso dadkeeda inaan laga harin oo la jeclaado qabawga barafkana loo dulqaato ilaa boqoradu soo baxayso.

[Dhagax-Tuur]

Regurgitating the past ain't gonna change the now or the future. It's been 30+ years.  Get your heads out of your backsides. 

 

 

[Suldaanka]

3 hours ago, gooni said:

Siyaad barre allaha u naxariistee gumayste wuu yaqaanay wuuna uga digay shacabkiisa in badan.

Halka snm ku gubaabinayso dadkeeda inaan laga harin oo la jeclaado qabawga barafkana loo dulqaato ilaa boqoradu soo baxayso.

Sidaan hore kuugu sheegay awoowe, hadii aad damacday inaad naqaska iska soo saartid, xawayaanka ilaahay abuurtayba naqas waa ka soo baxaa. Wax macno leh ayaa la sheega.

Arinka aan halkan soo dhigay, wax aan anigu aliftay ama iska qoray maha, waa wax niman Talyaani ah ka fajaciyay laftoodi. 

Afwayne inu kabo qaad ahaa, anigu wax aan iska samaystay maha, waxa dadka Shisheeye ka qoreen ayaa daliil u ah.  

Afwayne Inu Mingistu u tagay gacmaha hoos hoorsaday, waliba ka baryay inu nabad qaato, xanuunka xabadda SNM ayay ahayd. 

Inu Maraykan u tago, ku yidhaahdo 'diinta ayaan uga baxayaa" hadii hub iyo saanad military ila soo gadhaan, cid kale ma ahay, xanuunka warankii SNM ayuu ahaa.   

SNM waad ku mergetaa kolka aad is tidhaah wax ka sheeg. Anigu ma maqal urur guul ka gaadhay hadafkoodii, kolkay daaquudkii ka takhaluseen, hubkii iska dhigay oo shacabkoodi ka mid noqday. Waa SNM ayuunba la hayaa.  

 

[gooni]

Suldaan Ugaas.

Saxiib tusaalaha xayawaanka iyo bini aadamka waxaan garan karin qofka aan aqoon side alle u karaameeyay rag iyo dumarba 

Banuu-aadamku waa noolaha kaliya oo wajiyadoodu is arkaan lab iyo dhadig markay injaab samaynayaan ama isu galmoonayaan.... sidaa ma u taqaan?

Noolaha kale oo dhan wajiyadoodu isma arkaan kaneeco'na haku ahaatee.

Marka xayawaanka dhaqo wixii dhaqmi kara balse dhaqan haka qaadan iyo tusaale ama duco iyo xamdi-naq ka hor mari.

Tan mowduuca siyaad barre allaha u naxariistee

Taariikh fog ma ahayn Twitter ciyaal qoray taariikh lagama dhigo karo, hadii aad nin yar tahay adeero iyo dadkii waa waynaa wali burco iyo hargaysa way ka buuxaan adigu baaritaan samee

Balse gaal buu ahaa daaquud lasoo diray talyaani iyo ingiriis baa noo sheegay macno samayn mayso. 

La'aantiis Australia miyaad tagi lahayd...sow Australia ma jeclid?

[Suldaanka]

4 hours ago, gooni said:

Banuu-aadamku waa noolaha kaliya oo wajiyadoodu is arkaan lab iyo dhadig markay injaab samaynayaan ama isu galmoonayaan.... sidaa ma u taqaan?

Chimpanzee ayaan ku jirin oo sida dadka xaajadooda u dhamaysta.  

4 hours ago, gooni said:

Tan mowduuca siyaad barre allaha u naxariistee

Taariikh fog ma ahayn Twitter ciyaal qoray taariikh lagama dhigo karo, hadii aad nin yar tahay adeero iyo dadkii waa waynaa wali burco iyo hargaysa way ka buuxaan adigu baaritaan samee

Balse gaal buu ahaa daaquud lasoo diray talyaani iyo ingiriis baa noo sheegay macno samayn mayso. 

Awoowe, waxaan filayaa inaad schoolka ku soo dhamaystay waagii Afwayne xukunka hayay. Buugaagtii Taariikhda ku sheegi jiray, ma ogtahay inu Archives London iyo Roma ka soo minguuriyay. Mise kolka Afwayne soo minguuriyo oo waliba dhalan rogo (taariikhda ka sinaysto) kolka tiisu waa xalaal. Kolka laga dabo tago ee isla Archivekii London iyo Roma wixii laga qoray, isla buugii uu soo minguuriyay sida saxda ah loo soo bandhigo, ayadu waa xaaraan?  

Waa la iska garanayaa, halka ay sheekadaadu ku aroorayso. Laakin sidaan kuu sheegay, hadii aad naqaska iska soo saaraysid, dee ogow dameerku inta aanay haraatida baran, naqaska xaga danbe isda looga soo saaro ayay barataa.