Amxara Kilil requests Federal Government to control Gonder. Kilil falling apart

[Old_Observer]

A month is long time in Politics:
Six months ago the Amxara:
1. Were threatening war on Tigray and to take some districts from Tigray
2. Were fighting the Oromo in the north to get rid of the Oromo autonomous region in Amxara Kilil
3. Were killing Agews, which they still do, because they wanted their own zone and autonomy
4. Were calling for take over of Addis Ababa which is "their" city and expelling Oromo mayor and others
5. Were fighting among themselves who will rule Ethiopia after they succeed in removing Oromo Tigray..etc

Even Abtigis got so impressed by their empty talk he allied himself with them.

Now cannot govern themselves and are calling Federal Government to intervene.


That is why the saying "People who live in glass houses should not be first to throw stones"

https://borkena.com/2019/10/17/amhara-region-calls-for-federal-govt-intervention/

[Dahireeto]

This Kamant (Agew) woman explains her people's struggle in Gondar against Amhara occuppiers. Minorities can rise up if they are abused. 

 

[Old_Observer]

5 hours ago, Dahireeto said:

This Kamant (Agew) woman explains her people's struggle in Gondar against Amhara occuppiers. Minorities can rise up if they are abused. 

 

Its amazing how stu-pid people can get. The Agew are only asking for auronomy and self governemnt in their area. The Amxara are saying NO you should be ruled by us and speak our language and become Amxara.

The Amxara are way behind. Let alone Ethiopia even one Ethnic Somalis want to govern themselves by region or province.

Catalan that financed the spanish empire wants out

Scotland that served and partly built the British empire wants out

Belgians want to separate the two halves

 

 

[galbeedi]

The Amhara made a big mistake. They should have just talked the big talk and agitate without showing their card. THey couldn't even find enough people to organize in Addis, hence they tried to bus people from Bahir Dar. 

Now Kemant people and others are rising within their KIlil. All those people we thought to be amhara had suddenly became other ethnic minorities. 

I think Cagjar will probably be sacked a soon as the Amhara issue is fixed.

[Old_Observer]

I hope there are some adult Somalis left in the Kililka government. Ethiopia is just so shaky, someone need to be ready at least to keep order and safety in Kililka if something sudden happens.

Cagjar is totally out of this plan. His only work if he does is just to totally destroy anything Illey.

He keeps shouting on Ethiopian media 24/7 that Illey was separatist, as if that is a crime anywhere, even in Ethiopia. Its only a crime in the eyes of Amxara. Everybody else in Ethiopia says, so what, as long as he promotes what he wants peacefully and legally. Its his constitutional right to be separatist.

One of the people who made sure self determination was included in the constitution were Somalis.

 

 

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Agew can't separate from amhara they are two small it will create allot of problems if kilil amhara is divided. Amhara already faces some problem with galla in Addis.

And some border issue with tigray. Ina cagjar wants some sort of an alliance with amhara he knows some how amhara will come to power in Ethiopia in the long run. He wants to be seen as an Ethiopian nationalist. And the most nationalist Ethiopians are amhara. 

[Dahireeto]

Cagjar miscalculated by aligning himself with Amhara. He is way behind the times. lol

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Dahireeto Ethiopia powers shift every time there was a time for almost 600 years it was an amhara gurage control. Before that the agew were in control  under yudit. But meles and the EPRDF changed everything with the kilil politics based on ethnic groups. This severely damaged amhara for decades . But I think its natural if you look in the history it was tigray then amhara and oromo. Now the oromo are flexing their muscles. Cagjar knows the danger of oromo and  the dangers the oromo face against the kilil Somali or as it is called now Somali state. So an alliance  with amhara is the only option to keep the oromos in check in the future not now . How ever he needs to be careful the amhara can be very tricky.  They are now in a difficult position because meles zenawi broke down their base when he was in power. 

[Old_Observer]

Xaaji,

You seem to have tendency of looking at the Amxara more than they even look at themselves.

Do you think the Amxara would have amounted to anything without:
100% accepting British, Italian and French demands and borders?
Agew and Oromo who both are now claiming their own against the Amxara

none
Could not do anything against Eritrea once Agew and some extent Oromo lost enthusiasm for keeping Eritrea by force. The Afar and Tigray of course did not have this enthusiasm from the days of colonialism.


Ethiopia has changed. The next Ethiopia can only be again different maybe fall apart or split like Sudan..but never the Ethiopia that Italy, British and French set up, determined its borders and supported it.

Couple of years Oromo language will be working language means bilingual. Addis Ababa will certainly become Oromo, the Agew are achieving victory as I write. You are missing these momentous issues that will change Ethiopia not towards Amxara, but far away from them.

Abtigis was friends with some opposition like G7 and he is stuck there. Or as it happens to some, he does not have that Nomad self confidence that says don't let them see you sweat. He has lost his Somali Nomad confidence, and has accepted either Oromo or Amxara as leaders. Even smaller Ethnics, even Ethnics that never lifted a gun against Ethiopia have better confidence than him.

[galbeedi]

On 10/21/2019 at 4:00 AM, Xaaji Xunjuf said:

So an alliance  with amhara is the only option to keep the oromos in check in the future not now

Xaaji Ina Cagjar jar ha ka tuurin.

THere won't be any Amhara power in the next 10 years. THe Oromo will be ruling for the next decade. If Abiy goes down, the Lema Magrasa will take over.

Yet, before Amhara achieve anything in the future, they must come out intact from these internal and external quagmire. If these Agnew people that never been in the picture, and others challenge the Amhara in their own Kilil, they will be history.

Somalis should work hard toward eventual disintegration of Ethiopia. IYet, f things do not change within the Somali Kilil, it could became fragment quickly and every tribe will curve its own region. Cagjar assumes he could act  business as usual and fool people like before. 

Dadku waxii hore u dhacay wax kuma qaataan miyaa.

[Dhaqaale]

5 hours ago, galbeedi said:

Somalis should work hard toward eventual disintegration of Ethiopia. IYet, f things do not change within the Somali Kilil, it could became fragment quickly and every tribe will curve its own region. Cagjar assumes he could act  business as usual and fool people like before. 

What you fail to understand sir is this. Ethiopia has along history of state building. Ethiopia also has a lot of nationalist inside and outside the country. A communist named Mengistu disintegrated Somali society for the last 30 years with every little effort on his part. Somalis are not nationalist but are clannish, the whole world knows this. These are the facts.

[Che -Guevara]

There's a difference between state-building and conquest based on oppression and marginalization.

[Old_Observer]

11 hours ago, Dhaqaale said:

What you fail to understand sir is this. Ethiopia has along history of state building. Ethiopia also has a lot of nationalist inside and outside the country. A communist named Mengistu disintegrated Somali society for the last 30 years with every little effort on his part. Somalis are not nationalist but are clannish, the whole world knows this. These are the facts.

The only syaye building that ever happened in Ethiopia (modern) was last 20-30 years. You cannot build a state solely by help from British, Italians and French. When their empires are gone you are left as play ground for the likes of Emirates.

Ghelleh has better state building skills than Ethiopia.

His focus is always the tribes and empires. Good balance. The French cannot attempt to use Afar to gain an advantage, Arabs cannot use Somalis as they do in Somalia to gain an advantage. That is a state which many accuse it as undemocratic lol but a state based on centuries old traditional system mixed with 21st century tricks.

[galbeedi]

Except the TPLF era, Ethiopia never built things. From early thirties to 1974 before his was overthrown, Haile Salase's Ethiopia was poor and destitute without not even  a major highway, electricity or major schools other than main center.

 

Yet, one thing they are really good at is following top down government orders. They are people that keeps things within their hearts, they are not emotional people, especially the Amhara and the urban people. Also despite their differences they want to keep their country intact. The one Ethiopia sentiment is ingrained both with the farmer and the city dweller.Their hierarchy system also allows  the elite to order around and oppress the poor , the peasants and the regular people . We Somalis have no class, the Kacaan eliminated the class system.

Dhaqane might have a point in terms of Ethiopians being more nationalistic than the Somali nomad. During the war war and the ten year guerilla backing conflict that followed from  1977-1987 , Ethiopian anti Mengestu rebels never launched a campaign from the Somali soil. they might oppose their dictator,  but will never attack them from the territory of the Somali enemy. 

The hungry nomad would sell the land for few pesos. Yet, despite our weaknesses and naivete , we have fiercely independent and uncontrollable culture which makes colonizing Somalis very difficult.

Imagine,  at  the turn of the twentieth century,  or after  in 1885,  a less developed Somali nomad had confronted colonial powers from coast to coast with great  success to resist  colonials. Some Wahabi new commer might say that they brought Islam to Somalia in the nineties, but the truth is we accepted Islam before it even reached Medina, Baghdad or Cairo. Visit Some time in Zaylac and see the " Qiblatain Mosque" when the Umah prayed toward Jerusalem Before they  changed Makkah, just as the Qiblatain in today in Medina. Our faith , combined with our fiercely independent mind will save the day for us. Soon you will see the free Somali abandoning the shackles of the false enclaves and seek freedom and nationhood. 

Dhaqane, despite the corrupt politicians and the hangry nomad, the free and independent Somali will never be colonized either by Amhara or Kenya, especially those who live between Loyacado and Kismaayo. Who unlike those in NFD,  brought up with the pride of being free nomad.

My friend, let the poor but free nomad room the land. I do not know if you heard but the great poet and educator Muuse Galaal , in 1982, rode with the national geography reporter to the Somali countryside around Hiiraan all the way to central Somalia and the North West regions.It was during the skirmishes in Balabale where Ethiopian along the Somali rebels confronted the national army. When he asked where is your national border? he said, ' you know what, our camel is a scientist . he will travel all the way and will only stop after he encounters deep wet soil of Dolow to the west and the fertile terrain of Waamo. 

While other have plans to take our land, we might even have our own future plans to get back Djibouti and Kililka.