N&N bring back Hawo Taako - the Pro-Italian anti-British protester

[Che -Guevara]

It's a country in a war, so it's expected. But I am sure Muse can carry on and build one for Sayidka in Hargeisas

[Suldaanka]

31 minutes ago, Che -Guevara said:

It's a country in a war, so it's expected. But I am sure Muse can carry on and build one for Sayidka in Hargeisas

We like to celebrate winners or those who actually died while fighting. And not losers or those who ran away from the battle fields after they got defeated and later died an ignoble death under the shoes of Ethiopian masters. 

[Che -Guevara]

So you would rather celebrate Sheywal Cabdi instead of the greats like Nuur Dheere and Xaaji Suudi?

[Suldaanka]

16 minutes ago, Che -Guevara said:

So you would rather celebrate Sheywal Cabdi instead of the greats like Nuur Dheere and Xaaji Suudi?

This is about Xaawo taako awoowe. The pro-Italian protester that is celebrated by Reer Koonfur.  

[Che -Guevara]

Xaawo is a Somali heroine. Disgruntled kids on Twitter can badmouth her but people of her generation, some of who actually knew her, honor her.

Why do I think you are related (clanwise) to Sheywal? A British collaborator

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Statues are haram bina adan sanab laga sameyo diintu maba ogola

[Old_Observer]

15 hours ago, Che -Guevara said:

Sxb,

 

The British were a party to the events but they did not intervene, Italians accused them that they did. Ironically, the British and Somalis including SYL were on the same page on many things when it comes to the Italians, where they differed is on the issue of Independence. To gain Somali support, the British even teased Somalis with the idea of one Greater Somalia.

 

 

Che,

The British proposal was not a tease, it was real. They put a lot of effort to it. It makes sense Geopolitically, economically, militarily for both the British and the Somali (greater Somalia proponents).

Its just that there was too much mistrust and bad blood among Somalis and it failed.

The fact that both France and Ethiopia were totally aginst the plan should tell you something.

For the British would have been they maintain their influence using Somaliland and NFD from the two ends as spring board. They were closing the shop of colonies and opening door of influence and satellites.

 

 

[gooni]

Xaawo taako talyaanigay dhagaxa u tuuraysay

Sayidkuna wadaad waalan kacaaku taariikh u sameeyay buu ahaa.

Axmed guray oromo yuu ahaa

Hadaad beesha taariikh hore ka wayday maxaad walaalahoo oo dhan u wada aasaysaa?

Xaaji xunjuf waan ku raacsanahay shareecadu ma ogola.

Hadii maar la dhigana, meeqaamka muqdisho yaa wax loogu qaban doonaa mustaqbalka.

[Suldaanka]

45 minutes ago, gooni said:

Xaawo taako talyaanigay dhagaxa u tuuraysay

Sayidkuna wadaad waalan kacaaku taariikh u sameeyay buu ahaa.

Axmed guray oromo yuu ahaa

Hadaad beesha taariikh hore ka wayday maxaad walaalahoo oo dhan u wada aasaysaa?

Xaaji xunjuf waan ku raacsanahay shareecadu ma ogola.

Hadii maar la dhigana, meeqaamka muqdisho yaa wax loogu qaban doonaa mustaqbalka.

@gooni

Casriga maanta ah qofku wuxu haysta power barigii hore dawladaha kali ah lahaanjireen. Waa casirga qofku isagoo gurigiisa fadhiya macluumaadka uu rabo oo dhan ka heli karo meesha uu doonaayo ee taariikh lagu kaydiyo. 

Waxa godka biyo ugu galeen kuwii beenta laga dhaadhiciyay oo maanta af-kala qaad ku tahay runta hortooda taala. Qofku inu ismoodsiiyo ama isdiidsiiyo runta waa wax u banaan oo qofku waa binu aadam, laakin taa macnaheedu maha runtu in ay suulayso. Qofku waa aakhir, waa ku qasbanyay inu candhuuftiisa dib u liqo oo runta wajaho.

 

Tusaale waxa kuugu filan siduu Kacaanku uga been abuuray taariikhda, isbarbar dhiga labaddan qoraal, mid waa Kacaanka sidu wax u qoray, midna waa original source (UK Archive). Adiga ayaan kuu daynaya meelaha la bedalay iyo taariikhda laga sinaystay. 

 

Kacaanka propaganda diisa:

 

Original Source:

 

 

[galbeedi]

Xaawo Taako was one of those leading the counter demonstration of the Italians and their supporters. These were pro independence Somalis who died defending their country. There is no dispute on that.

Yet, the Southern part of the anti Italian struggle is omitted from most of the history. THe Biyo Maal revolt was one of the biggest wars in the south which continued until 1913. THe Lafoole decisive battle in 1924 that gave the Italian victory and decimated the freedom fighters is not well known among Somalis, although a secondary school was named Sheikh Hassan Barsame in Mogadishu. Or the Cumar Samatar guerrilla war in MUdug.

The truth is despite their heroic pro-independence galvanization of Somalis from Jigjiga to Mogadishu, at the end the SYL chose Italy to administer the Italian Somaliland rather than the British who were controlling most of the Somali territory from Jigjiga yo Wajeer 1941-1950.

The SYL feared the fast British power  in the globe , yet it was under the British that these pro independence civic organizations were formed. On the other side, some historians ,  said that SYL along with the ADM connected with the Italians to deny the British to lead the south during the UN mandate. In return, the British became furious and gave reserve area to Ethiopia and handed NFD to Kenya, 

That is the real debate non Xaawo Taako.

 

 

[Suldaanka]

17 minutes ago, galbeedi said:

Xaawo Taako was one of those leading the counter demonstration of the Italians and their supporters. These were pro independence Somalis who died defending their country. There is no dispute on that.

Lets focus on Xaawo Taako. What sources can you provide that she was in fact against her husbands' people. 

 

[galbeedi]

Suldaan,

What we know is some people call that event the Italian riot. It is also a fact that there were counter demonstration from pro independence Somalis.

In my opinion, the English clips that people quote are inaccurate. Despite being defeated , the Italians were a white race inside Africa, and to accept 40 Italians could be killed by the British is impossible in 1950. 

I do not want to state inaccurate or unsubstantiated news here, but that death toll must be debated,

 

 

 

[galbeedi]

On 10/17/2019 at 4:30 PM, Suldaanka said:

For the first time, the Somalis were able to move around the city without the Apartheid system. The Somalis were able to enter and make home suburbs in Mogadishu that they were forbidden hereto. 

I do not buy the propaganda of the British archives.To assume a European power will favour locals from a white man is wrong. Despite their different interests, a white Italian in Africa can not be killed in a riot by dozens (44) in 1950. It is impossible. 

It could be that most of the dead could be Somalis from two different sides. I am just writing these things from my own early knowledge of history. If one want to revision some vof these facts, you need more research than just copy pasting colonial propaganda.

[Suldaanka]

22 minutes ago, galbeedi said:

It could be that most of the dead could be Somalis from two different sides. I am just writing these things from my own early knowledge of history. If one want to revision some vof these facts, you need more research than just copy pasting colonial propaganda.

With regards to the Whiteman comments. The UK do not recognise Italians as their equals in terms of race. They actually see them as Midagaha Europe. 

Anyways, I have listened to interviews on BBC by a number of people including Ex-PM of Somalia Abdirizaq H. Husseen who recounted similar accounts. For the first time, Somalis were able to organise themselves politically and I believe it was during the British Administration that the SYL was formally established as a political party. 

The only people that were upset during those formative years were the Italians and their lackeys. In fact, the Italians used their Somali lackeys in order to saw bad seeds against the British Administration. Fortunately the wise heads knew the ulterior motives. 

Coming back to Xaawo Taako, one has to ask hard questions, what was she fighting for? After all, the British Administration had a number of good initiatives on the table. 

What did Xaawo Taako die for? 

 

[galbeedi]

After the defeat of the Italians and the formation of SYL , most of the ongoing events were non violent, civil disobedience and grassroot organizing and awakening of Somalis for self rule like most of the continent and around the world. 

 

The visit of the UN delegation in Mogadishu was assumed to be a life changing event that Somalis and those pro-independence were willing to show their streigh. While the British were in charge, the Italians were still in control of many civil administrative offices.

The Xaawo Taako event was probably the deadliest event in Mogadishu and the Italian Somaliland after the end of  Lafoole war. It was the single biggest death of Somalis for freedom for the last 30 years after the war to resist Italian landing in Somalia.

While Siyaad Barre could have been trained by the Italian police and administration, the Kacaan under Siyaad Barre had decimated the Italians. The military government took over Italian owned big farms , nationalized major banks owned by the ITalians (Banco di Roma, Napoli) and nationalized major industries. 

So, to assume a socialist and nationalist Somalia of nineteen seventies would promote and resurrect a pro Italian woman is illogical. 

On a final note, Ahmed Gurey is not Oromo but member of Adal community. I know every Somali clan might claim , but those of us from Awdal know even his sub sub clan ' Abrayn' from Zatylac area. 

Please, don't bury the only major heroes Somalis have in history : Ahmed Gurey and Sayid Mohamed. 

Saaxiib Taariikhdu mabilaaban 1981, we have been in the horn  of Africa for thousand years.