Xamar: tartan Quran akhris abaal-marin qaali ah 'sawirro'

[Polanyi]

Originally posted by The Zack:

 

AMISOM haddii RPG lagaga soo rido Xaafadaha rayidka dagan yahiin, they have no option but to fire to the same exact locations they are being attacked from. That is called self defense. Adigu maxaad sameyn laheyd?

 

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The Islamic definition of self defence: defending any inch or square of land which occupied by non muslim/ or oppressive muslims forces.

 

The worldwide definition of self defense: the right to defend onself from any act of aggression against ones property, life and so forth.

 

 

Animal definition of self defense:

 

SOL sub-xoolo definition of self defense: Ethiopian, Ugandan and Burundi Soldiers occupying Muqdisho at the behest of Uncle Sam and daily shelling the local population. Yacni, if you were Amisom, and you occupied the capital city of SOmalia, commited many massacres and the people resented you; then, for some odd reason some crazy mullahs start to resist you: "Adigu maxaad sameyn laheyd" ? Xoolo answer: self defense, common sense thing to do, as in shell the hell out of Muqdisho. Self defense, go and tell that to this wailing SOmali mother, who is crying from AMISOM mass murderers .

 

 

Before this time, committing this type of massacre has been limited to the Ethiopian occupation troops and the TFG militias. However, it is now apparent that AMISOM is also

adopting this evil practice. The latest carnage is a clear indication that AMISOM is assisting Ethiopia to achieve its objective of occupying Somalia and denying the Somali people

their fundamental rights of life, liberty and property.

 

AMISOM spokesman has claimed that the troops were defending themselves from the attack of some insurgent group(s)!! But the available evidence regarding the directions and the

distance of the shelling does not support this argument. It is obvious that AMISOM had used unnecessary force and targeted heavily populated quarters and markets far away from the fighting area(s) which can only be taken as a

deliberate mass killing

.Monday, 29 September 2008 . Shaikh Sharif Shaikh Ahmed

Chairman, ARS

Yep,You heard it from the horses mouth: deliberate mass killing and, "AMISOM is assisting Ethiopia to achieve its objective of occupying Somalia and denying the Somali people

their fundamental rights of life, liberty and property".

Woe to the logic of SOmali Sub-Xoolo! They do not see, nor hear, nor understand- what they have uttered from their own mouths and penned with their own hands.

[The Zack]

Karl AKA Polanyi AKA magac caddaan wate,

 

Don't be too emotional adeer, alshabaab are fighting to free the "world", not Somalia. They are also ****** enough to call alqacida their friend. That, waryaa, ain't doing a favor for the poor maryooley in Xamar. AMISOM, not Ethiopia as u put it, are there with the Somali government's permision. AMISOM wouldn't be there had alshabaab weren't there.

 

Tell Alshabaab to stop attacking the African brothers in Villa Somalia from Xaafadaha rayidka otherwise don't be telling us AMISOM shelled civilian populated areas. self defence is what AMISOM troops are doing!

 

Yea keep blaming America for all your problems.

[Hales]

Karl be original sxb, that rant looks like something that came straight out of that Kashafa chaps posts.

I tell you it was counter effective in some parts anyways.

[Haatu]

Manhajkii toosnaa weli mala qaadan miyaa @ Maaddeey and Karl?

 

Eid Mubarak. May Allah guide us all.

[Polanyi]

Originally posted by The Zack:

Karl AKA Polanyi AKA magac caddaan wate,

 

Don't be too emotional adeer, alshabaab are fighting to free the "world", not Somalia. They are also ****** enough to call alqacida their friend. That, waryaa, ain't doing a favor for the poor maryooley in Xamar. AMISOM, not Ethiopia as u put it, are there with the Somali government's permision. AMISOM wouldn't be there had alshabaab weren't there.

 

Tell Alshabaab to stop attacking the African brothers in Villa Somalia from Xaafadaha rayidka otherwise don't be telling us AMISOM shelled civilian populated areas. self defence is what AMISOM troops are doing!

 

Yea keep blaming America for all your problems.

May Allah raise you up with your African brothers like General Bahoku and may the SOmali mother crying in the audio testify against you on the day of judgement.Ameen. ( if you do not repent).

 

Hales, i didn't ask you for any advice.

[The Zack]

^

 

The day of judgement got its name for a reason.

[Jacpher]

^Ma waxaa ka gaaray waqtii ashahaado aan ku dilee la isku qasbi jiray?

 

Check back with these kids in about a year or two.

[The Zack]

^Haaheey, ayaga umbaa muslim isu arko.

Sheeko caato oo ah hoobiye baan kasoo dhex rideynaa shacabka dhexdooda lakin yaa naloo soo jawaabin bey lasoo taagan yahiin kobtan.

[Maaddeey]

^Wallaahi Zackariyoow waan kuu naxsanahay!, haddaad Amisom'ta Gaalada ah aad 'brothers' leedahay, maxaad dembi uga dhigeysaa iney Muslimiin walaalo ugu yeeraan?.

 

Adduunka in la xoreeyo waa Ambition wayn, adiga meesha aad ku nooshahay & qaab fekerkaaga ayaa keenaya inaad ka cabsato waxyaabo aan laga baqin, lakin iyaga ha ku qasbin. Horaan kuugu sheegay nimankan waxaad ku heysato waa iska technicality ee core'ka kuma diidanid.

[RedSea]

Somalia has been in state of War way before AS/UIC came to existant. For more than a decade The IC attempted to set up some sort of govt for Somalia or "gacan Ku rimis" transitional entity as we like to call it in Somali. These Transitional governments all failed one after another Only because the very people who leading were yester years' warlords and were the very peopleresponsible for the suffering of the Masses. They all failed to deliver peace to the people simply because they WERE the problem.Recycling Same old warlords and faces over and over again and yet expecting somehow a different result IS the defination of madness and is bound to fail once more. You might argue that current TFG is being led by Fresh face and you would be right to believe that however as new as Sh. Sharif is to the somali political scene; he has not come in with his own recipe for peace he has instead marching to the same tune and as expected for all ill fated warlords among him he has failed miserably because he is as I have mentioned is an ***** on power trip. Waa Nacaaz Kursi lagu fadhiisiyey oo "B" iyo "T" aan midna aqoon. He is immensely under qualified for this position. He has no leadership skills nor does he have any formal educational background. Thus he cannot bring peace to Somalia nor is he capable of despite tremendous internaitonal support he is unable to even win the heart of one muqdisho district that is why he has lost everything outside of Villa Somalia to AS.On the contrary, AS is an energetic action driven with a core leaders who understand sacrifice is a Must NOW for Somalia to enjoy a better future. People need to understand that AS does not wish to continue war, they seek peace and development for Somalia and are willing to cede the leadership, but to only legitimate leader whom the Somali people have full confidence in not someone who has been crowned in Djabouti or Kenya and then occupanied by Foreign muscles. A legit leader walks and freely roams about among his people and is not in hiding nor is guarded by people who don't look like us.

 

 

 

The arguments coming from the Weakling pro occupation and humiliation camp is astoundingly irrational. Yes people will die! Yes buildings will be destroyed. Yes more blood will be shed unfortunately among them many inncoents will perish! But the end does justify the means. The choice is Somalia can be stuck in this status quo for many years to come or make the sacrifice NOW for brighter future tommorow. The future is not with Transitional govt ex warlord enterprise who are out of sync with the Situation their country and people face. These people don't care about Somalia. Each and everyone of them is here to fill his pockets, gain fame and then build fancy villas in neighboring countries and retire there i.e Geedi.

 

The only people who care about Somalia are the ones who rebell, sleep on the dirt, eat half cooked meals, and fight hard with conviction. Alshabab and UIC brought peace to Somalia within matters of months whereas the IC has failed to do so via TFG formula. One has to wonder why? because it's not an honest approach to peace. If it were, peace would have taken hold in Somalia long ago. I suggest people in Southern Somalia back the AS and give them that last push they need to chase out those AMISOM monkeys out of town so Insha Allah the real work can start.

 

 

So People I'm telling you lets not ignore the real ELEPHANT in the building, the occupiers and puppets their protect.

[NASSIR]

he has not come in with his own recipe for peace he has instead marching to the same tune and as expected for all ill fated warlords among him he has failed miserably because he is as I have mentioned is an ***** on power trip.

Wrong adeer, Sharrif had called during the first few weeks in office for a comprehensive peace with al-Shabab leaders. He tried all he could to compromise and make enough space for them to implement and carry out as normal the application of Sharia Law although already enshrined in the transitional Charter as the supreme law of the land. The President's olive branch didn't bend a bit the stubborness of al-Shabab leaders or dissuade them from their cruel and inhumane punishment of the public. Besides, all the Great and respected Ulama of al-Soomaal such as Sheikh Omar Faruq, Sharif AbdiNur issued their own Opinion based on the Qur'an and Hadith and they appealed to the misguided Youth to renounce their suicidal operations, accept peace and work with Shariif and his government for the Somali Nation. Al-Shabab only proved to the majority of Somalis that they are neither independent nor led by leaders with vision, foresight and workable strategy; they are rather, as they have strictly confessed on the media, navigated and financed from Pakistan, Afghanistan, Qatar and Saudi Arabia by non-state actors opposed to the current global system and its institutions.

[N.O.R.F]

Red Sea, no matter how much you try and justify the killing of innocents, the fact remains, it is WRONG in ISLAM (this is no small matter). Thus making all of your other arguments about occupation, TFG etc null and void (as AS are doing the same thing - massacering the people).

[RedSea]

Originally posted by NASSIR:

quote:he has not come in with his own recipe for peace he has instead marching to the same tune and as expected for all ill fated warlords among him he has failed miserably because he is as I have mentioned is an ***** on power trip.

Wrong adeer, Sharrif had called during the first few weeks in office for a comprehensive peace with al-Shabab leaders. He tried all he could to compromise and make enough space for them to implement and carry out as normal the application of Sharia Law although already enshrined in the transitional Charter as the supreme law of the land. The President's olive branch didn't bend a bit the stubborness of al-Shabab leaders or dissuade them from their cruel and inhumane punishment of the public. Besides, all the Great and respected Ulama of al-Soomaal such as Sheikh Omar Faruq, Sharif AbdiNur issued their own Opinion based on the Qur'an and Hadith and they appealed to the misguided Youth to renounce their suicidal operations, accept peace and work with Shariif and his government for the Somali Nation. Al-Shabab only proved to the majority of Somalis that they are neither independent nor led by leaders with vision, foresight and workable strategy; they are rather, as they have strictly confessed on the media, navigated and financed from Pakistan, Afghanistan, Qatar and Saudi Arabia by

non-state actors opposed to the current global system and its institutions.

Firstly, lets not delute ourselves. Sharia is not sentimental issue, it actually needs to be enacted. :rolleyes: The TFG govt CAN have it in their charter but what good does it do if it's not put into motion?

One has to understand Somalia is a Muslim nation and is dubbed as potential hubb for 'terrorist' (read real muslims). Therefore the International community notably the United states deploys all tactics via Africom base in Djabouti to disrupt and abolish any sign of potential Somali state under sharica law hence U.S forces based in Djabouti. That is why at the early signs of UIC birth in Muqdisho they established and funded "Ladagaalanga argagaxisada" formed by former warlords sudi Yalaxow, Qanyare, qaybdiid, and Raage cetra cetra. They also partook in airial raids in 2006 and provided all the intelligence to the Ethiopian ground forces and later raided villages deep in jungles of Southern Somalia killing hundreds of people and their livestock using cluster bombs.

 

But one has to look and venture beyond his confort zone to really understand and fully examine where the Youth's Opposition arises.

 

To expect AS to ratify the demands of the current TFG under Sh. Shariif/AMISOM when AS rejected the same deal with the prior TFG 1.0 under Abdullahi Yusuf/Ethiopia is simply being delusional.

 

I have mentioned this to Xiinfaniin when he was drunk with Euphoria riding high on his 'peace caravan' that armistice is not possible under these terms because the rational criteria for peace which AS demanded where not met.

 

An honest approach which Alshabab demanded was the withradrawal of all foreign forces from Somalia including but not limited to supposed "peace keepers" as clearly laid out by spokersperson of AS.

 

In humble opinion, One cannot be misled to believe peace is possible under the current conditions. So long Islam is targeted and Muslims are labelled 'terrorists' then peace in Somalia is far fetched. The strings are being pulled by higher powers here and its' beyond the scope of the current TFG, past, present or near future.

 

 

Al-Shabab only proved to the majority of Somalis that they are neither independent nor led by leaders with vision, foresight and workable strategy; they are rather, as they have strictly confessed on the media, navigated and financed from Pakistan, Afghanistan, Qatar and Saudi Arabia by

non-state actors

opposed to the current global system and its institutions.

I thought you were talking about the TFG for a minute there. It's an outsourced product, sold to Somalis by America to combat the 'threat' Of Islamic fundamtelists (read: real Muslims).

 

I have question for you who funds the TFG and it's 500 strong Parliment?

 

Norf,

 

Don't you think it's wierd to support this TFG which is no different than Abdullahi Yusuf's TFG? Simply replace Sh. Shariif in place of A. Yusuf and AMISOM In place of Ethiopia and voila you get the same product. That is why it has failed similar to the onebefore it and before that well you get the picture. New approach is needed and Alshabab provides the altarnative. beyond the fear factor instilled in our hearts by the media, AS is on the GOOD side of spectrum.

[N.O.R.F]

Red,

 

What you have there and what you have been giving us is your opinion. That’s fine. We are all entitled to our opinions (even if there is disagreement). However, when confronted with FACTS one needs to address those facts and not hide behind their partisan opinions. I have given you facts on the ground. Facts that AS are doing the same things as you’re accusing AMISOM of, facts that what AS are doing is not Islamic etc. So far you haven’t countered any of those facts. You have even gone as far as claim victims of AS’ actions are a necessity (waar Ilaahay ka baq).

[Tuujiye]

^^^ Kaalay naxdin sooma'aha in ee dibada joogaan dad fikradaha al-shabaab raacsan? saaxiibo walaahi waa wax lala yaabo runtii.. Weeba isla quman yihiin oo wey u doodayaan! laaxowla walaa quwata! war ilaahey ka cabsada ama baxa taga somaliya ee Al-shabaab raaca! qashimiin qashiim kala jirin...

 

 

Wareer Badanaa!!!