Educating prostitutes about the dangers of HIV

[Ibtisam]

C&H, wa the oldest profession in the world, it will always exist, supply=demand, it will particularly always be more popular though underground in restrictive Muslim countries where the acceptable standard is no pre-marital relations.

[ailamos]

^^ true... education is key

[RaMpAgE]

Sherban, maybe you should you take the video to romania, iam sure they can make use of it.

[Chocolate and Honey]

What you need to do to be pleasant is STOP judging. DONE! Everyone can have a good time then.

Oh I'm not concerned with being pleasant. What you need to do is stop being sympathetic to EVERY thing out there. Sometimes, having a wide, wide open mind is not a good thing.

 

 

Ibti,

I know it is the oldest profession but it is killing millions of people. Infected people infecting non-infected people who then turn around and infect their wives, husbands etc who then give the disease to their kids, who then die off. "Educating them" won't do a single thing because it pays good to not wear protection and if the primary concern is money( and IT is. No one whores for humanity), then they'll ALWAYS choose money.

[Ibtisam]

C&H education does help though, prostitutes in the West (hold your horse Sherban) are much less likely to be infected or infect the clients because they are given basic education, are protected (from violent/ force) and have lots of options, as suppose to ones in East/ poor countries. Therefore less infection carried to the community. It is there and the way to deal with it is not to ignore it or try to force them to stop (it will just go more underground, dodgy and more risky for all involved) Repressing somehow makes it more cool or the thing to do (drugs, sex, alcohol, porn, magazines, music), I disagree with the Al shabaab approach of killing them or trying to force closures. Give them a better alternative and it won’t attract the poor young girls.

 

This is really a none-issue with me and I think we have bigger problems/ issues before we can pay this one any mind or air time.

[Geel_jire]

Originally posted by Sherban Shabeel:

quote:Originally posted by chocolate & honey:

What they need to do to protect themselves is STOP whoring. DONE! Everyone is safe and sound then.

What you need to do to be pleasant is STOP judging. DONE! Everyone can have a good time then.

Don't judge .. this has become the cookie cutter response for every deviant/abberent behavour

[Chocolate and Honey]

C&H education does help though, prostitutes in the West (hold your horse Sherban) are much less likely to be infected or infect the clients because they are given basic education, are protected (from violent/ force) and have lots of options, as suppose to ones in East/ poor countries. Therefore less infection carried to the community. It is there and the way to deal with it is not to ignore it or try to force them to stop (it will just go more underground, dodgy and more risky for all involved) Repressing somehow makes it more cool or the thing to do (drugs, sex, alcohol, porn, magazines, music), I disagree with the Al shabaab approach of killing them or trying to force closures. Give them a better alternative and it won’t attract the poor young girls.

 

This is really a none-issue with me and I think we have bigger problems/ issues before we can pay this one any mind or air time.

I disagree. Prostitutes in the West are less likely to be infected because the clients fear for themselves. Even with basic information about the horrifying diseases out there, sex without condoms pay WAY more than protected sex. I was watching an episode about prostitutes on Tyra show not too long ago. This very same issue came up and they interviewed "clients" AND prostitutes. You know what they said(yes even here in America where sex education is taught in public schools)? They said "Condoms just ruin the fantazy. The animalistic passion." :eek: And they did a survey of how many of them will accept more money if they go bare and 90% said, yes!

And mideeda kale prostitutes are NOT protected under special law.I dont know about Europe, but here they have PIMPS who pretty much treat them like sex slaves(beats them to death, takes all their money, tells them what acts however preverse to perform, where and when). They get raped more than they can count. AND they dont report it because it comes with the profession. I have watched countless documentaries about the sex industry and it's sickening what these women go through :eek: Most of them have drug problems so they DONT care about health.

NO one can force them to stop. And I'm not advocating for murdering them. I'm just saying, of all the problems in the world to nurse and "educate" people about, prostitution is not one of them.

 

I can get behind organizations that slowly weed them off whoring by teaching them other skills so they find other jobs and better themselves. But preaching to them about protection so that they can be safer whores is a no no in my book.

[Tuujiye]

kaalaya! maxaa waaye axsaankaan loo falaayo bajaq caqligeeda isku kala balaqday sidii irdihii moolasha???? 2 page ayaa la marooyaa ka waran leeee....

 

 

Wareer Badanaa!!!

[NGONGE]

Originally posted by Geel_jire:

quote:Originally posted by Sherban Shabeel:

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Originally posted by chocolate & honey:

What they need to do to protect themselves is STOP whoring. DONE! Everyone is safe and sound then.

What you need to do to be pleasant is STOP judging. DONE! Everyone can have a good time then.

Don't judge .. this has become the cookie cutter response for every deviant/abberent behavour

Don't judge our responses warya.

[BUKURR]

I really do not have an opinion on this, lots of reasons. I do agree with Ibtisam lady in the most part, but in the meantime you guys enjoy this clip: http://www.bbc.co.uk/arabic/middleeast/2010/05/100518_prostitution_in_jordan.shtml

[Sherban Shabeel]

Rampage, one day you will get banned. You won't even see it coming.

 

Ibti, I now see the point you were making about telling customers you have HIV. I have to say, it might just work, but it might also scare people off.

 

To C&H, and all the prostitution-hating folk in here:

 

Prostitution is a field in which I am sure I have more experience than most people on this board. My occupation might even discredit me as a credible advocate, but I have always argued fairly and I ask you to listen to what I have to say.

 

Prostitution has always existed, and will always exist, whether you like it or not, whether you think it's evil or not. Let me repeat that: it will ALWAYS exist. You can try and stop it, you can persecute those who work in the field, you can persecute the customers, you can try to "educate" people, won't work. Prostitution exits in the US, and it exists in Saudi Arabia. It exists everywhere in the world.

 

Trying to rid the world of prostitution is trying to change human nature. As long as the primal urge to mate exists in man and woman, nothing will change. Because people will always be ready to give something of value in order to satisfy their urges. If you had to go really, really bad and you couldn't find a toilet anywhere, wouldn't you pay to use a toilet? Note that I said "something of value", because not everyone pays using money. You can pay with a chicken, a cow or, dare I say, even a camel.

 

Those who condemn prostitution, and who judge it as a deviant/base/aberrant behaviour GROSSLY UNDERSTIMATE the scale of the phenomenon. They would probably cry if they knew how many people in this world have sex for money, or indeed for favors, or in some very sad cases for food. Prostitution isn't some dark little bogey man of mankind. It's one of its base characteristics: use what has been given to you to make a better life for yourself. It's not the exception, it's the rule. (If you want me to develop this more, I will)

 

Now that we've understood how deeply ingrained this practice is in the human mind, and how it will never disappear, let us examine why we shouldn't be alarmed. Let's take a look at female prostitution:

 

The greatest myth is that prostitutes are poor, broken creatures who can't look after themselves, who were forced into this practice by horrible men, who are frequented by horrible men and must be helped out, because that's what they really want. A way out, because anything is better than prostitution. And if they don't see it, they must be shown the light, because they don't know their own interest. Pretty patronizing, don't you think?

 

Like all good, enduring myths, this one has some seeds of truth in it, but let me tell you why it's fundamentally wrong. A real, professional prostitute (not refugee girls in Yemen) is a woman who is in charge of her life and her body. Her soul? God knows, but I can tell you this woman is no victim. She's better than you in math. She knows more about life than you do. She understands mankind more than you do. She knows how to have witty conversation than you do. She is kinder than you are. In many respects, she is a better human being than you are. Still, you look down on her and want to "save" her.

 

Prostitution is, above everything else, a CHOICE. It's very important that you understand this, despite all the tragic stories of kidnapped girls from Eastern Europe, IDPs giving head for food, etc.. Those are the exception, not the rule. I am as much an enemy to human smugglers and tormentors of women as much as you are, because a man must only play a small part (or none) in a woman's decision to enter the game. A woman chooses to sell herself, and will do so until she is too old or too tired to go on.

 

I have come across many girls who, because of their upbringing, couldn't possibly fathom that this is a job people CHOOSE to do. They said it's impossible, they said no woman would do that. Well, guess what! Women enjoy sex, and women enjoy money. Some women decide to combine the two, and enjoy getting money through sex. Some women develop friendships with their tricks, they gain influence and suddenly find themselves in high society. The game can be beautiful just as easily as it can be ugly.

 

There are girls who make as much money as surgeons here in Canada. There are girls who live a better life than you do.

 

Still, there are girls who have it bad, and I'd be a fool to deny that. What is needed is for society to ONCE AND FOR ALL accept prostitution as something that will never go away, and work on improving conditions for those who work in the field. The tendency has already gained momentum in Europe, and I hope it will spread all over the world. I was pleased to see that video from Morocco, and I hope I managed to bring you a perspective which will allow you to look upon this profession with a softer eye.

 

 

P.S.: Did anyone watch the damn video?

[BUKURR]

Sherbannnn what the *&%$K was that, I just watched the damned clip, earlier I assumed it was a formal lecture that was helping the industry and just jumped to follow the thread, but wow.. that was interesting to watch :cool:

 

EDIT: SOLers, if you wanna see a horrible image, just click next next when you reach that video. I couldn't finish watching the whole thing, its just unbearable to imagine what's about to happen next.

WARNING: They're performing Khitan on a little girl.

[Ducaysane]

macalimadu ma prostitute bay ahaan jirtay?

[Faarax-Brawn]

Originally posted by Ducaysane:

macalimadu ma prostitute bay ahaan jirtay?

L0L~

[Chocolate and Honey]

Ok Shabeel,

It is your time to listen to my reasons. I didn’t know you had more experience or knowledge. Good for you. You at least know what you’re talking about.

First of all I KNOW prostitution always existed everywhere and will continue to exist. No argument here. It is human nature. AND I’m not trying to change human nature but what I would like to see change is human behavior. Your analogy of the urge to GO to a bathroom and SEX is flawed on so many levels. First of all, SEX is NOT a need based. It is a Want based no matter how OVERWHELMING the urge might be.

You said, if people who oppose whoring knew how many people have sex for money or whatever, they would cry. Then you proceeded and argued it is a choice. This is your first contradiction. It is EITHER a choice or women (and men by the way) are forced into it by circumstances. When you stated that “We shouldn’t be alarmed,” what do you mean? How can “We” not be alarmed considering the impact (Financially, morally, health, reproduction, human rights) this profession has on the world as you’ve stated?

Then you proceeded to defend it as a choice. Ok. But how is it a choice when every woman who comfortably chooses to have sex for money or favor, there are two that are forced into it by circumstances(parents dying off leaving 10 siblings behind, being a refugee, drugs, abduction, PIMPS, etc)? I would say, maybe the percentage of women who are being trafficked across continents or being forced by PIMPS with guns is small but the ones who are forced by Circumstances are far more. So how is it a choice?

 

Finally you brought up the core of this issue: MONEY. The goal of whoring is MONEY. What really bothers me is the fact YOU seem to be glorifying a dishonerable profession:

A real, professional prostitute (not refugee girls in Yemen) is a woman who is in charge of her life and her body. Her soul? God knows, but I can tell you this woman is no victim. She's better than you in math. She knows more about life than you do. She understands mankind more than you do. She knows how to have witty conversation than you do. She is kinder than you are. In many respects, she is a better human being than you are. Still, you look down on her and want to "save" her.

 

Really? A woman(or a man)selling her/his body for few bucks has lost the ultimate control. She or he is no BETTER, WISER, or More in control, IF she did she wouldnt subject that kind of abuse to her own body that host her spirit.

 

Also this surprised me,

Well, guess what! Women enjoy sex, and women enjoy money. Some women decide to combine the two, and enjoy getting money through sex. Some women develop friendships with their tricks, they gain influence and suddenly find themselves in high society. The game can be beautiful just as easily as it can be ugly.

 

There are girls who make as much money as surgeons here in Canada. There are girls who live a better life than you do.

You can enjoy sex and money, but sell the first for later is a dangerous combination. You're glorifying a woman(or a man)who sells her body and opens it to a host of diseases for few F-ing bucks.

It is ******* sick to think that devoloping a "friendship" with a man who f-ing bought you and gaining access and affluence through him is considered "SUCCESS"! :eek: You also stated that some make more money than Surgeons, well if money is one's GOD and goal in life regardless of which route they take to obtain it, then so be IT.

And if by BETTER life you mean, they come home to mansions and drive Mercedes because they had their legs open all night long then we certainly have VERY different definition of better life. :confused: And in such case, why dont you advice women to become whores instead of slaving away in MEDICAL SCHOOL to become brain Surgeons? :rolleyes: