Two men kissing in a park and a topless woman bather

[ScarFace]

Look at what these cheese eating cadaans came up with. No wonder so many somali's moved from that country :eek: :eek:

 

Dutch test immigrants with gay kiss

UPDATED: 08:31, March 14, 2006

 

Two men kissing in a park and a topless woman bather are featured in a film that will be shown to would-be immigrants to the Netherlands.

 

The reactions of applicants including Muslims will be examined to see whether they are able to accept the country's liberal attitudes.

 

From tomorrow, the DVD which also shows the often crime-ridden ghettos where poorer immigrants might end up living will form part of an entrance test, in Dutch, covering the language and culture of the Netherlands.

 

Those sitting the test will be expected to identify William of Orange and to know which country Crown Princess Maxima comes from (Argentina) and whether hitting women and female circumcision are permitted.

 

Muslim leaders in the Netherlands say the film is offensive. "It really is a provocation aimed to limit immigration. It has nothing to do with the rights of homosexuals. Even Dutch people don't want to see that," said Abdou Menebhi, the Moroccan-born director of Emcemo, an organisation that helps immigrants to settle.

 

He added: "They are trying to find every pretext to show that people should not come to the Netherlands because they are fundamentalist or not emancipated. They confront people with these things and then judge them afterwards."

 

Famile Arslan, 34, an immigration lawyer of Turkish origin, agreed. "I have lived here for 30 years and have never been witness to two men kissing in the park. So why are they confronting people with that?" she said.

 

She accused the government of preaching tolerance about civil rights while targeting non-westerners with harsh and discriminatory immigration curbs.

 

The new test the first of its kind in the world marks another step in the transformation of the Netherlands from one of Europe's most liberal countries to the one cracking down hardest on immigration.

 

Rita Verdonk, the immigration minister known as Iron Rita, has introduced compulsory integration classes, higher age limits for marriage to people from abroad and the removal of residency permits if immigrants commit petty crimes. She has also talked of banning the burqa.

 

The measures were prompted in part by outrage over the 2004 murder of Theo Van Gogh, who had made a film about the oppression of women in Muslim communities.

 

Applicants will sit the exam at one of 138 embassies around the world. They will answer 15 minutes of questions and those who pass the first stage will have to complete two "citizenship" tests over five years and swear a pledge of allegiance to the Netherlands and its constitution.

 

The centre-right government of Jan Peter Balkenende, the prime minister, believes the tests will provide an objective way of assessing the suitability of applicants by gauging how well prepared they are to make the transition to Dutch life and their willingness to integrate.

 

Critics complain that people living in the mountains of Morocco or rural villages in Pakistan will not be able to make the long journey to cities for Dutch language lessons. According to Instituut Oranje, a Dutch language school, someone with a low level of education would require 250 hours of tuition, costing US$2,000, to pass the tests.

 

The total bill of US$2,580 including US$95 for a preparatory test pack and DVD and US$414 for the exam makes the process unaffordable for many.

 

Dirk Nieuwboer, a Dutch journalist based in Istanbul, said the multiple-choice cultural test included a question about how to behave in a cafe if two men at the next table started kissing. "There was another question about which former Dutch colony a particular spice came from," said Nieuwboer. "Most Dutch people don't know these things."

 

However, Jeroen Dijsselbloem, a socialist from the parliament's immigration committee, said the film had been created to help prepare people for "open-minded" attitudes on issues such as homosexuality. "We have lots of homo-discrimination, especially by Muslim youngsters who harass gay men and women on the streets. It is an issue here."

 

A spokeswoman for Verdonk said an edited version of the DVD would be available for showing in Middle Eastern countries such as Iran where it would be illegal to possess images of homosexuality.

 

 

 

 

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[ElPunto]

Originally posted by ScarFace:

[QB] Look at what these cheese eating cadaans came up with. No wonder so many somali's moved from that country :eek: :eek:

 

Dutch test immigrants with gay kiss

UPDATED: 08:31, March 14, 2006

 

Two men kissing in a park and a topless woman bather are featured in a film that will be shown to would-be immigrants to the Netherlands.

 

The reactions of applicants including Muslims will be examined to see whether they are able to accept the country's liberal attitudes.

OMG - this is ridiculous. And sad and funny. They are such paragons of liberalism - that they are forcing Muslim immigrants to watch something that is so blatantly contradictory to their values. WOW - where can I sign up for such benevolent liberalism! :rolleyes:

[Baluug]

It's simple. If you don't like it, don't move there. I don't know why any God-fearing Muslim would want to go to such a country where they're not even welcome anyways. There are other countries they can go to, y'know.

[Socod_badne]

Originally posted by ThePoint:

OMG - this is ridiculous. And sad and funny. They are such paragons of liberalism - that they are forcing Muslim immigrants to watch something that is so blatantly contradictory to their values. WOW - where can I sign up for such benevolent liberalism! :rolleyes:

Are you oblivious to the fact that the Dutch WERE once along with the Swedes the most tolerant society on earth. To such extent that entire major cities are today half filled with immigrants. When the same people are forced to administer puerile test/s such as the mentioned to immigrants you KNOW the problem isn't with them! Lest we forget, a film director was knifed to death in broad daylight by his fellow countrymen of immigrant extraction for making a FILM!. An elected dutch politician is in hiding after death threats on her life. Testing the tolerance levels of who enters their country in the light what has happened prior to now, is sensible and frankly tame reaction that we should be relieved over not lament. I know for sure if roles were reversed and Somalis were in place of the Dutch we wouldn't be having this discussion.

[ElPunto]

Originally posted by Socod_badne:

quote:Originally posted by ThePoint:

OMG - this is ridiculous. And sad and funny. They are such paragons of liberalism - that they are forcing Muslim immigrants to watch something that is so blatantly contradictory to their values. WOW - where can I sign up for such benevolent liberalism! :rolleyes:

Are you oblivious to the fact that the Dutch WERE once along with the Swedes the most tolerant society on earth. To such extent that entire major cities are today half filled with immigrants. When the same people are forced to administer puerile test/s such as the mentioned to immigrants you KNOW the problem isn't with them! Lest we forget, a film director was knifed to death in broad daylight by his fellow countrymen of immigrant extraction. An elected dutch politician is in hiding after death threats on her life. Testing the tolerance levels of who enters their country in the light what has happened prior to now, is sensible and frankly tame reaction that we should be relieved over not lament. I know for sure if roles were reversed and Somalis were in place of the Dutch we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Utter bullshid. Swedish and Dutch 'liberalism' and 'tolerance' was and is a fake one. This liberalism only applies to those who think and act like them - but if you refuse to do that - you're a damn foreigner!

 

Murders and death threats occur all the time in US and Canada - but you don't see them blaming an entire community. And this bastion of 'liberalism' produced Pim Fortuyn and Theo Van Gogh - both nasty, anti-Muslim racists - one of which got elected to Parliament. Next I assume you will tell me that Austria's Jorg Haider is a cuddly puppy.

 

If there is a truly admirable liberalism towards immigrants - it is that practiced in Canada and the US.

[makalajabti]

Actually I understand their point, would-be immigrant will see men kissing each other at one point in their life in the Netherlands so they better got accustomed it now, I have seen some somali people cursing every gay couple they come across and giving them bad looks. And they are right about female circumcision (it's a disgusting practice that should not be allowed in any country). The only harsh thing is the knowledge test: Dutch art and paintings are not in every school curriculum around the world. Which means that immigrants should learn a lot more about the country History before they contemplate the thought of settling in the Netherlands.

[ElPunto]

Originally posted by makalajabti:

Actually I understand their point, would-be immigrant will see men kissing each other at one point in their life in the Netherlands so they better got accustomed it now, I have seen some somali people cursing every gay couple they come across and giving them bad looks. And they are right about female circumcision (it's a disgusting practice that should not be allowed in any country). The only harsh thing is the knowledge test: Dutch art and paintings are not in every school curriculum around the world. Which means that immigrants should learn a lot more about the country History before they contemplate the thought of settling in the Netherlands.

You understand their point? I guess then if Christian immigrants want to come to Muslim countries they should be forced to watch female circumcision since everyone's norms have to be 'learned about' and 'accustomed' to. This is some of the worst logic I've heard. This is horrific.

[Castro]

Originally posted by makalajabti:

Which means that immigrants should learn a lot more about the country

History

before they contemplate the thought of settling in the Netherlands.

So the history of the Netherlands is "two men kissing in a park and a topless woman bather"?

 

I'm pretty sure they wouldn't show this promotional DVD if they were courting, say, rich immigrant-investors or even other non-colored refugees. Otherwise, what's the point of showing "the often crime-ridden ghettos where poorer immigrants might end up living"?

 

This is a classic and shameless fear tactic, atheer, and also the closest thing the Dutch can do legally short of standing at the gates and shooing people away. If you're unable to understand that, makalajabti, then indeed waad kala jabtay.

[Mr.Faarax]

and the truth comes out.....all along this is what the liberals were hiding..

[Maf Kees]

A censored version of the film is available to every country upon request. Many Somalis are going to see this film, but there is no government to get them the censored version. They've shown the gay scene on the news: two dudes making out in the park. I was quite disgusted. It's clear that the Dutch are doing everything to scare off newcomers.

 

A TV show had some Dutch people do the tests. Two shocking outcomes: some didn't pass the test. But what's worse: the test itself was full of mistakes.

[Socod_badne]

Originally posted by ThePoint:

Utter bullshid. Swedish and Dutch 'liberalism' and 'tolerance' was and is a fake one. This liberalism only applies to those who think and act like them - but if you refuse to do that - you're a damn foreigner!

 

Ok, now back that up with evidence. I'm not aware of any laws in Sweden or Holand that discriminate against immigrant. Since you claim you do, please back it up.

 

 

Murders and death threats occur all the time in US and Canada - but you don't see them blaming an entire community.

 

 

No they don't. Van Goh was killed in Holland, not in America. A. Hirsi is in hiding in Holland, not American. The firebrand Imaams of Britian who preach ineffable inflammatory sermons/speechs are in Britian not America. Europe in general failed to assimilate its muslim population and now its paying the price.

 

 

And this bastion of 'liberalism' produced Pim Fortuyn and Theo Van Gogh - both nasty, anti-Muslim racists - one of which got elected to Parliament. Next I assume you will tell me that Austria's Jorg Haider is a cuddly puppy.

 

 

Let me understand this: you're suggesting it is OK to kill anyone you disagree with?

 

 

If there is a truly admirable liberalism towards immigrants - it is that practiced in Canada and the US.

Agreed.

[Baluug]

Originally posted by Socod_badne:

Let me understand this: you're suggesting it is OK to kill anyone you disagree with?

Better to kill them before they kill you. After all, that is what the USA's foreign policy is built upon.

[facklexm]

It increases my anger by the day, when I hear things like this aim at my fellow Muslims. Makalajabti u are too westernised go back to Somalia.

[nafta]

The Dutch are not as tolerant as they were anymore and this DVD is a testament of how perverse they've actually become.

 

A lot of Dutch citizens live in other countries such as Canada, America, NZ, Australia as immigrants and I don't see these countries asking them to undergo such a 'test'. It's hypocritical.

 

Besides, they can produce as many dvd's they want but you can't force someone to integrate if they don't want to and who can blame them, when they get a different treatment to Jan or Laura.

 

So how are they going to bridge this self-created divide? Oh yeh, by showing them a gay dvd. :rolleyes:

[ScarFace]

I'm just wondering if there was any multiple choise answers. You was sitting in a we eed Coffee Shop and 2 gay men are kissing each other on the table next to you in the cafe...

 

Would you do... :confused:

 

Gelieve te tikken (Please Tick)

 

Box1

Damn, I wish i was with them

 

Box 2

Blimey, I don't fancy either

 

 

Box 3

It's quite embarrasing but this coffee weed tastes great

 

Box 4

I don't like it but hey it's a liberal country

 

Box 5

Saqajaanka calek

Mission Impossible tune dadadddene I must locate their car and place an explosive device after I finish my Zoot

 

 

makalajabti which Box would you choose I THINK BOX NUMBER 1 REALLY SUITS YOU MMMH