NGONGE Posted July 16, 2010 ^^ حالتك صعبه جدا يا اخي. So called can be interperted in so many ways and only one of them is the way you read it. However, the whole feel of that post gives no indication that this is how he meant it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Prometheus Posted July 16, 2010 Abtigiis & Tusbax: Allaahu Akbar eedaanku waa kaa afkiyo beene Ashaadaday gaalkubase waa ehlu naarkiiye Haduu uurka kaaga jiro wardigu kaama ordedneene :mad: Rhazes: Heh. Tanac-tanacdu waa inan-gumeed tamaradiisiiye. :cool: Maaddeey: I sense a sardonic tinge to your words. You and Raamsade are ideological cousins. Waaxaagu waa sarbeeb, sidaa ku baxsan meysid. Ilmihii Fircoon baad tahay, Ubadkii Qaaruune Adigiyo ilmaadeerradaa, kula ardaa jooga Ifka waw dil, aakhirona waw ololki naareede Rhazes: Cajiib. Xabad yaroo argagaxisa ah baa diintayda wax ka sheegaysa. Every safeeh thinks that religiosity is only a matter of knowing a few Jihad verses and corporal punishment hadiths. Fircoon baa cilmiga sheegi jiray Sheekhna ma ahayne. Abtiga & Tusbax: Noy baad tahay aan qalbiga nuurka loo geline Rhazes: Adeer, qofaad isku camal iyo caqli tihiin orod oo la yooyootan. Anigu niicle iyo niiqle wakhti uma hayee. Cad hadduu kaa dhaco amase kaa ciidoobo Nimuu caqli ku weynyahay ma cuno calafka qaarkiise Aniguna caruuraha yaryari wayga caynkaase Maxaan [Abtiga] kala hadlaa Caaqil baan ahaye Abtiga iyo Tusbax: Rhazes iyo kufriga wacad allaw yaale Waa walaalo taniyo waaga aakhira'e Rhazes: Abtoow, doqoniimada iyo duuflaal-nimada ma dhaxal baa? I need to brush up on my genetics. Toolmoonihii Maxamad baw tegay Ilaahiise Tawxiidkuu na faray looxyaday noogu taal weliye Waa tiir aan naga liicahayn taanu leennahaye Waxa lagu tilmaansado sharcigu malaha tuur-tuure Tureecada day waataad kufriga nagu tilmaanteene Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NGONGE Posted July 16, 2010 ^^ Laba jabhado ha isku furin, yaa caaqil. It can be more interesting if it's not confrontational. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Prometheus Posted July 16, 2010 ^ lol. Intaas waa iska kaftan oo Abtiga iyo Maaddeey ku fogaan maayo. I think the twin-evils of religious paranoia and sanctimony need to be dialed back. I shall afford Abtiga the freedom to reject ("reinterpret" would be a less loaded term) certain penal injunctions. Not only that, I'd welcome his right to call himself a muslim and espouse any view of islamic jurisprudence, or any view on the nature of God . Al-Hallaj had a different concept of Godhood (wahdah el wojod), yet he professed belief in Islam. One can disagree with his interpretation and assert that it does not seem plausible, but one cannot squelch his views, or excommunicate him. No one has a trump card in the realm of religion. The doors of personal Ijtihad are wide open. And everything ought to be on the table, everything is up for grabs - from views on Godhood and prophethood to the implementation of Shariah and the historicity of orthodox narratives. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gheelle.T Posted July 16, 2010 Rhazes, I think you and AT are far more closer (opinion) or have the same views of most of the things that have been discussed in this thread. It's just that you two are fighting a trivial issue we know nothing about. Did you two crossed your ways in different thread or what? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Khayr Posted July 16, 2010 The doors of personal Ijtihad are wide open. And everything ought to be on the table, everything is up for grabs - from views on Godhood and prophethood to the implementation of Shariah and the historicity of orthodox narratives. If that is the case, then is it ok to discuss about your lineage? Whether you were born out of wedlock or not? Whether you are Somali or Ethiopian or Sudanese? After all, everything ought to be on the table, everything is up for grabs After all, if what some hold as dear and sacred is to be given the green light for discussion and rejection then too, should a green light be given to discuss about You and where you are currently at and who you were with last night etc.? Get the picture...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Polanyi Posted July 16, 2010 Khayr, the dude is an atheist proper. The crap about itjihad and whatnot is just a smokescreen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abtigiis Posted July 16, 2010 Waraa Gheele, Muslim hadaad tahay naftaada u baq oo muslim kale meel hakaga dhicin. Anigu Alshabab ayaan diidan ahay, Maaddeey'na hadalo aan ku jikaro way jiraan. Laakin, boqol jeer ayaan kuu caddeeyey mawqifkyka ku aadan diinta iyo shareecada. Markaa inaad ila masaysid ninkan boodhka isku qarinaya ee Ngonge'na uu u jiibinayo ee atheist'ga ah ma haboona. Karl, you are right. But I really can't understand why Ngonge often cheers to those who take a dig at religions and islam in particular? Ma isaga fikirkiisa ayey afkooda ku sheegaan oo sidaas ayuu ku raaxeeystaa? Ngonge, markaad rabtidna dadku wuxuu soo wato ayaad sii sheegtaa, markaad rabtidna qof ujeedadiisu cad tahay ayaad u xil qarisaa. Waad qaldan tahay. For the record, anigu gacanta dambiilayasha yaan la goyn ma odhan, mabda' ahaan. Laakin waxaan qabaa inuuna jirin the enabling environment in Somalia right now in arintaas la fuliyo, muhiimna ma aha. Waxaa kale oon qabaa in aakhirka culumadda Isam'ku ay keeni doonaan qiil lagu joojinayo in gacanta iyo lugta istalaw loo gooyo qof danbi galay oo laga yaabo inuu bari ka towbad keeno (once amputated, he has no way of redeeming himself and helping the society). Taasi waa anigu sidaan jeclaan lahaa, laakin waxaan anigu jecel ahay diin iima aha, markaa intay imanayso waxaan ku qasbanahay inaan ku qanco qodobadda diintu dhigayso siday hadda u yaalaan. Markaa, waxaan wixii muslim ah ka codsanyaa inayna qiil u sameyn ninkan muslim-nimo aan jirin sheeganya si ay ugu sahlanaato inuu ujeddoyinkiisa fuliyo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abtigiis Posted July 16, 2010 Ngonge laftigiisaa Zindiiq kale ah siduu meeshan wax u wado. Horta isaga laftigiisa yaa huba wuxuu yahay dad kale unbaan saaran nahaye? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Johnny B Posted July 16, 2010 Karl, 'Ijtihad' is a crap allright, it just so happens that you'd like us to swollow hook,line and Stinker, few religiously outstanding crap as an important 'ijtihad' work from one of your fav Mullahs. **** Johnny waves to all from Athens **** Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abtigiis Posted July 16, 2010 Haatanna mid baa soo mudh yidhi, Rer-Maxamed-diide, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Prometheus Posted July 16, 2010 Yaa salaam. Even NGONGE is now a Zindiiq. I think it is best to leave it here. Johnny B, ahlan camii. . Awoowe, dawdar falan iyo daciif baa beryahan SOL ku jalabuteeya. Every nincompoop thinks any reasonable person is a reincarnation of Johnny B, Raamsade, Naden, Cicero, Castro, Cara, alisom, as if religious people could not be equally reasonable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nuune Posted July 16, 2010 Originally posted by Abtigiis & Tusbax: Ngonge laftigiisaa Zindiiq kale ah Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ANTARA Posted July 16, 2010 We have a lively debate here; the near confrontational style between Rhazes & Abtiga is what makes it all the more exciting and perhaps one of the most interesting threads for quite some time in this forum. Se madal lagu kaftamay ha moodina in lagu kala dhaqaaqay, lakiin yaanay idin la taraarixin dee! As usual the overzealous will try to stifle this without paying enough attention to what is said but nonetheless carry on yaa Rayaayeel. The views of the sister in discussion are nothing out of ordinary. In an age where you are bombarded with Richard Dawkin’s penetrating questions or Bill Maher’s mocking videos (I recommend Religulous to those who are still living in isolation) there is no shielding for the self-appointed saviours of this Umma from the probing questions of the knowledgeable and the confused alike. Originally posted by Rhazes: The doors of personal Ijtihad are wide open. And everything ought to be on the table, everything is up for grabs - from views on Godhood and prophethood to the implementation of Shariah and the historicity of orthodox narratives. Spot on, personal is the keyword here. It is indeed wide open but as you said it’s also a personal ijtiahd and as such the consequence remain personal, regardless of whether the person in question believes in them or not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abtigiis Posted July 16, 2010 Originally posted by Rhazes: Every nincompoop thinks any reasonable person is a reincarnation of Johnny B, Raamsade, Naden, Cicero, Cara, alisom, as if religious people could not be equally reasonable. Who said you are reasonable? We said you are atheist and those you listed were. Gabdhaha meesha ka saar ciddi ma soo hadal qaadine. Malaha in aqoontaada laga wareeray baad u qabtaaba? So, for you Maaddeey iyo inta theory of evolution aan aaminsanayn aqoon maleh? And Naden ayaad professorad nooga dhigaysaa for pasting tired Dawkins logic here? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
