Puntland

[Tillamook]

33 minutes ago, gooni said:

Talo mooge

Ciidda ama dhulka, markii laga qaadayo sample, meelo kala duwan oo dhulkaas ka mida yaa laga qaadaa, muhiim ma'ahan in dadkoo dhan afti la waydiiyo.

Waqooyiga dhulkii aftida laga qaadi lahaa snm yaa xoog ku haysata.!

Soo ceeb ma'ahan inuu adeer faroole shirka la yimaado dastuurka snm halala sugo?

Lol@ Adeer Faroole

Saaxiib, Faroole hadalkaas wuu ku saxsanyahay waana ku raacsanahay. Inkastoo markii dhinaca siyaasada laga fiiriyo  snm-diiflayaal  ey yihiin doqomo,  waa dad Soomaali ah oo u leh xaq iney ku darsadaan fikirkooda iyo rabitaankooda dastuurka federaalka Soomaaliya.

Laakin adigu su’aalsha meesha ku taal waxa weeye maxaa mar walba u rabtaa inaad u horjoogsitid ummad dalka kula leh oo aad u rabtaa xuquuqdooda inaad ku tumatid?

Gormaad kaligii talisnimadii kacaankii ka waantoobi doontaa?

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Gooni anagu shaqo idinku Malihihin wala federaalkina wala fadaradiina. We simply do not  share a country with you. And. Will never. Marka hadaynu sida ku nabad galno ayaynu buro sidna.

[Suldaanka]

17 hours ago, Tillamook said:

Lol@ Adeer Faroole

Saaxiib, Faroole hadalkaas wuu ku saxsanyahay waana ku raacsanahay. Inkastoo markii dhinaca siyaasada laga fiiriyo  snm-diiflayaal  ey yihiin doqomo,  waa dad Soomaali ah oo u leh xaq iney ku darsadaan fikirkooda iyo rabitaankooda dastuurka federaalka Soomaaliya.

Laakin adigu su’aalsha meesha ku taal waxa weeye maxaa mar walba u rabtaa inaad u horjoogsitid ummad dalka kula leh oo aad u rabtaa xuquuqdooda inaad ku tumatid?

Gormaad kaligii talisnimadii kacaankii ka waantoobi doontaa?

Gooni barigii uu ku cusbaa SOL he had preconceived misconceptions about Somaliland. 

Maamulka Garoowe ayu xisaabta ku darsanjiray, taa waa ka quustay  

 

[Suldaanka]

On 8/30/2019 at 3:38 PM, gooni said:

Snm oo maqan dastuur lama dhisi karo.!

Meeqaamka muqdisho waa in garoowe lagu xaliyaa.!!

Heshiiska somalia iyo snm ka dhexeeya waa inay puntland qayb ka ahaato

Golaha iskaashiga federaalku waa inuu meel ugasoo wada jeestaa dawladda dhexe iyo faragelinteeda !!!

Waa siyaasadda puntland ku dhisayso soomaaliya.

Faroole is Somaliland's mole. Unlike other southern politicians, he is allowed to travel to Somaliland.

With regards to Garowe being part of Somaliland and Somalia talks, it is a pipe-dream. 

There won't be any talks with Cheeseman, but the President after Cheeseman who will be from Mogadishu and Somaliland will make final decisions on these issues. Puntland won't be relevant, if they don't abide by the agreements, then we will make them abide by it.   

[Che -Guevara]

25 minutes ago, Suldaanka said:

Faroole is Somaliland's mole. Unlike other southern politicians, he is allowed to travel to Somaliland.

With regards to Garowe being part of Somaliland and Somalia talks, it is a pipe-dream. 

There won't be any talks with Cheeseman, but the President after Cheeseman who will be from Mogadishu and Somaliland will make final decisions on these issues. Puntland won't be relevant, if they don't abide by the agreements, then we will make them abide by it.   

You are pinning your hopes on president from Mogadishu? Surely, you can't be that naive!

[gooni]

On 9/2/2019 at 11:35 PM, Tillamook said:

 

Laakin adigu su’aalsha meesha ku taal waxa weeye maxaa mar walba u rabtaa inaad u horjoogsitid ummad dalka kula leh oo aad u rabtaa xuquuqdooda inaad ku tumatid?

Gormaad kaligii talisnimadii kacaankii ka waantoobi doontaa?

Ninyahow 

Kaligii talis lama hayo

Wada talisna lama hayo

Isku tashina lama hayo

Kala tashina lama hayo.

Hadii dastuurka lala sugo snm oo rajo beeshay waxaad u ekaanaysaa adigoo qof xanuunsan sariir la seexday, inta badan dadka xanuunsan in godka loo sii raaco way jecelyihiin asxaan maleh.

Dawladaan hada ka dhisan muqdisho waxay isku dayaysaa inay soomaaliya hesho federaal sax ah oo hoos yimaada dawldaii dhexe oo  kulmisay dhamaantood.

Balse mushkiladda jirta waxaa weeyaan puntland ma doonayso federaal, waxay doonaysaa dawlado daris ah oo afka walaalo ka ah, hal calana ka dhexeeyo.

Majirto meel horay loogusoo arkay federaal nooçaas ah aduunja lamana sheegin.

Tusaale

Fedaraalka dhexe waa inuu fara gelinta ka daayaa gobolada see loo fahmaa?

Haduusan goboladiisa fara gelìn ma kaluun buu qoraxanayaa?

Federaalkii kale waxay leeyihiin waa inaan noqonaa sida puntland oo hal jufo si qurux badan isugu wareejiso markii kaltankooda la gaaro.

Puntland'na waxay leedahay waa in sida snm hawsheenu gaar noo noqotaa anagoo calanka buluugga ah si been abuura u huwan.

Aragtidayda

Dastuurka looma baahna snm iyo aftideeda.

Wanka markii la gawracayo kuwa kale waa laga qariyaa sida shareecadu qabto

Sanaag, sool, awdal, togdheer barkeed intaba waa laga qaadi karaa afti

Hadii afti aad sideed dukaan iyo sideed bakhaar oo kala duwan aad  waydiiso shan haday haa u codayso hargaysa waa ku gawracan tahay.

Somaalidu waxay dhahdaa nin faas haysta qoryo ma waayo, xalku wuxuu ku jiraa in dadka loo shaqeeyo hadal iyo shir jaraa'id waxba keeni maayo

Aakhirka hadii alle ìdmo waa in cadawga federaal qabiilaysiga meel loogasoo wada jeestaa waa hadii la rabo in qowm ahaan loo badbaado.

 

 

 

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

The question is will there be one man one vote in Mogadishu in the next election that will not happen.?  Somalia is in a very difficult situation clan federalism can't be abolished by the likes of farmaajo because  there isn't an agreement agreed on by koonfurians. As for the somaliland and Somalia talks that will happen not now but. When there is a new admin in the bunker and  real arbitrators from the western countries. 

[Old_Observer]

On 9/4/2019 at 6:02 AM, Xaaji Xunjuf said:

The question is will there be one man one vote in Mogadishu in the next election that will not happen.?  Somalia is in a very difficult situation clan federalism can't be abolished by the likes of farmaajo because  there isn't an agreement agreed on by koonfurians. As for the somaliland and Somalia talks that will happen not now but. When there is a new admin in the bunker and  real arbitrators from the western countries. 

Western countries is wrong idea. Will never happen.

The best route for Hargiesa Mogadishu talk is Djibouti, Kililka and NFD.

Unless you want to be paid money by western countries for sitting and talking to your own brother, the best place to start talking is with other Somalis.

One Somali region proposing a referendum for Somaliland is more powerful than America and Britania combined.

Example if Hiiran says "if they want to go let them go, enough of this situation", then its all over.

That is what happened for Eritrea. They fought, but would never have achieved anything, without the Afar and Tigray saying "enough fighting, if they want to go let them go"...no America, Russia or Britain required.

Don't discount opinion even of a small sub-clan of Somalis anywhere. They are more influencial and powerful for the rest.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

It's worthless to discuss somaliland issues with Somalia. Because us somalilanders we know the opinion of koonfurians regarding our statehood. What we want is the western countries to host mediate this conflict. Its best way you will see results. Eritrea situation was a bit different meles zenawi believed in an independent Eritrea from the very beginning all the top tplf wanted to see Eritrea free from Ethiopia.  There are no politician in the South that support somaliland 

 

 

 

 

[Old_Observer]

6 hours ago, Xaaji Xunjuf said:

It's worthless to discuss somaliland issues with Somalia. Because us somalilanders we know the opinion of koonfurians regarding our statehood. What we want is the western countries to host mediate this conflict. Its best way you will see results. Eritrea situation was a bit different meles zenawi believed in an independent Eritrea from the very beginning all the top tplf wanted to see Eritrea free from Ethiopia.  There are no politician in the South that support somaliland 

 

 

 

 

It is those bordering separatists that pay the highest price.

Meles and Co. acceptwed the situation, because they can see it was hopeless to live in poverty backwardness fighting to stay together when one side does not want.

Puntland pays the highest price more than any other region in Somalia with your situation. There cannot be major investments while the situation is not cleared up.

Everything of Somaliland and Eritrea is exactly the same:

1. People of Eritrea are same origins, languages, cultures with those on Ethiopian side. People of Somaliland are the same with those in the republic and everybody around

2. Eritrea had different colonizer than those in  Ethiopia. Somaliland had different colonizer than those in the republic

3. When decolonized Somaliland united with the republic Eritrea federated with the empire

4. When unity went bad Somaliland wanted to separate. When Federation was eliminated Eritrea wanted to separate

5. After 30 years of war the people in Ethiopia that have relatives in Eritrea were convinced to stop the war. After 30 years of cold war Somaliland has not convinced anyone in the republic to call for referendum and move on.

Only no.5 is the difference.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

The EPLF and TPLF relation ship was in the poltical sense a bit different but from an historic point of view somaliland and Eritrean were identitical. How ever when SNM defeated the siyad barre regime. The rebels in the South and somaliland had not reach a full agreement and the Italian Somalia rebels kept on fighting. You can reach an agreement on somalia and somaliland is when you truly mediate and a 3rd party who has no dog in this fight similar what the US has done with South Sudan. Its pointless to convince koonfurians because we know their opinion. 

[Old_Observer]

11 hours ago, Xaaji Xunjuf said:

The EPLF and TPLF relation ship was in the poltical sense a bit different but from an historic point of view somaliland and Eritrean were identitical. How ever when SNM defeated the siyad barre regime. The rebels in the South and somaliland had not reach a full agreement and the Italian Somalia rebels kept on fighting. You can reach an agreement on somalia and somaliland is when you truly mediate and a 3rd party who has no dog in this fight similar what the US has done with South Sudan. Its pointless to convince koonfurians because we know their opinion. 

Do you ever ask yourself why in 30 years there is not a single sub-sub clan in Somalia saying "if they want to go let them go"?

In 39 years there is no economic interaction, thus people would not loose anything, yet not single prominent Somali outside Somaliland has the courage to speak up and say "lets close this file one way or another, has gone on for too long"

In both Ethiopia and Sudan, there were always prominent persons from Khartoum or Addis Ababa who said "we are losing a lot of life and treasure, we are only increasing the hate, if they want to go, let them go, they might return in next generation by confederation or other means, but the war has to stop.