Eid festival flag ban criticised

[Passion_4_Fashion]

northener....whats the matter? u not happy 2day....dont worry its almost weekend...try 2 chill till the mean time

[NGONGE]

Take your time and think about it, Ms Cambo

Northerner, we're building up to that, bear with us, saaxib.

[N.O.R.F]

Caambo, i'm bored here, i was rather looking forward to an intelectual discussion on the topic in hand with a few well informed nomads. so much for that then ey

[Passion_4_Fashion]

^^^i consider my self as well informed individual....but sometimes i dont take things too seriously

 

so tell me northener.....are u against this new move? if so, why?

[N.O.R.F]

^^are you?

 

This decision by the police and council is rediculous in my view. Why can you not celebrate eid by waving a flag, i may just get S/land flag out and drive through the place .

[Passion_4_Fashion]

am i well informed individual? ....aah, no insults

 

northener, i think u r bit confused here. we r not celebrating s/land national day, for gods sake its eid. i dont understand the need of waving any kind of flag...and i honestly do believe it creates racial hatred....but then again thats my opinion

[N.O.R.F]

Today its national flags tomorrow its no Eid celebrations at all.

 

But thats not the point. They talk about a free country etc etc but then things like this make you think, why is this not the case when the Sihks are celebrating Divali and Indian flags are all over Southall??? Oh i forgot, because its 'different' right?

 

English flags were everywhere during Euro 2004, there was no protest against that, which is probably the most hate fuelled and offensive flag in the world.

[Passion_4_Fashion]

^^i understand ur point.....have u heard the sayin "magaalo sidey u taalo aa la'la yaalaa".

 

Euro 2004 is different, bcoz they were representing their country thats not linked to religion

 

i personally haven't come acros flags being waved during the diwali festival but this rule goes for them as well right

 

we dont c flags during christmas do we? do u understand my point bro

[NGONGE]

Northerner,

 

The waving of another country’s flag would be regarded by the “natives†as being ungrateful or even a fifth column (considering the current state of tension between Islamic countries and the west)! Still, this in itself is of no concern to the police and the local council. What concerns both these authorities is the nature of Southall as an area and the different people with varying ethnic backgrounds that reside there.

 

The Muslim youth do not only wave the flags (mainly Pakistani) flags to celebrate. There is obvious tension between the Indians (Hindu & Sikh) Southall and the Pakistani youth that go out of their way to celebrate in that area. The waving of the flags is not done discreetly or even innocently in most cases, it’s done to provoke.

 

You mentioned the Hindu celebrations and the waving of the flags there, but in all of my time in the UK, I honestly cannot say I’ve ever witnessed celebrations on the scale our Muslim brothers make in “Muslim†areas.

 

The police are only trying to keep the peace. Yes, it is a silly decision but the silly actions of the few led to such a draconian decision to be taken. I still disapprove of the involvement of the UK Muslim Council in this trivial matter. Though I did not elect them to their post, they do represent me and I’ve noticed lately that these people have belittled the idea of having an organisation that’s a voice for Muslims with their involvement with all manner of insignificant bother. :mad:

[Passion_4_Fashion]

^ i agree with u

[N.O.R.F]

hmmmm

brb

[Senora]

"Local community representatives have been consulted on our policing strategy. They fully support our tackling of anti-social behaviour to help preserve the dignity of this religious occasion," he said.

I think a better way to tackle anti-social behavior is to punish these violent-doers more harshly. Preventing these groups from Patriotism will only create more tension from the other side.

[N.O.R.F]

Some very good points there geezer, there is always a high police presence in Southall for eid, most of the time nothing happens. I don’t feel that there is enough scope to ban flags for religious festivals. It may concern national falgs today and may seem irrelevant somewhat as we are celebrating a religious festival but I’m trying to read between the lines here.

 

The introduction of the new religious hate bill will soon be in a affect and this a test case. When they see even the ‘muslims not that bothered’, this will give them (police/council/govt) greater powers and more confidence. A small irrelevent test case like this one will lead to more tougher actions concerning muslims. We are slowly walking along the same lines as France and the quicker we realise this the better. Rome wasn’t built in a day, in 10 years time our kids will be banned from wearing hijaabs at school.

[N.O.R.F]

In the mean time check out Prince Harry's new gear

 

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4170623.stm

 

the Yahuuds are not saying 'oh it was just a fancy dress party are they????? :mad:

[NGONGE]

I agree on these ever-encroaching laws, saaxib. However, we’ve got to choose our battles carefully. The almighty works in mysterious ways as it’s often said. Fortunately for us, and through no sense of love or solidarity but rather one of preservation, we seem to have other religions on our side.

 

The Muslims in the UK are not strong politically and have no visible representation in the media, however, the Jews and Christians do. We’ve already combined forces with those that follow the Jewish faith in the issue of Halal and Kosher meat! The fact that the animal lovers could not get their way is in no small measure down to Jewish lobbying (not Islamic).

 

The recent complaints about the showing of Jerry Springer (The Opera) on the BBC have also marshalled the Christian hordes! Again, they have strong influences in the halls of power and their protest (on religious grounds) will prevent others ridiculing any faith (lucky we, eh?).

 

Last month, the Catholic Pope complained about the atheists and their attempts to banish all signs of faith from Christmas. You and I might shrug and think that such calls have nothing to do with us (they’re following the wrong faith after all)! However, the argument that followed was one of faith (since the two sides are not all Christians) and the ability of people to freely practise their faith without interference from the state.

 

Now I agree that there are plenty of people that hate Islam and would do all they can to suppress this “backwardâ€, “savage†and “aggressive†faith (see the quotation marks, simpletons? Let it go now). Still, and in the most part, in order for these people to get to Islam and Muslims they’ll have to also step on Christian and Jewish toes. This is not France, saaxib. France has always been a secular state that equally abhors all forms of religion (though as the socialist saying goes: Some people are more equal than others).

 

The UK has always regarded itself as a Christian state (even now when it’s mostly secular). The Archbishop of Canterbury still has a strong voice when he condescends to use it. The board of deputies of British Jews and their Chief Rabbi are not people to trifle with (in the political sense of course). Most decisions that will encroach on the liberty and freedom of Muslims to practise their religion will also have an impact on other divine faiths. This, I believe, will not be allowed to take place. Of course we’ll be harassed, hassled and linked to all sorts of terror activities (their only outlet these days), but when it comes to making major decisions against us, I really can’t see it following the French model. Two different countries with differing ideologies you see.