Holac Posted August 5, 2019 That is a very startling information you posted Xamaraawi. I don't know what to say either. I read the whole twitter thread from the Journalist and it is very disturbing what our country is going through right now. May Allah save the nation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xamarawi Posted August 5, 2019 http://<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">To go Mubark you can have 2 option: You go by yourself or they sent you car which you rent it $70. The car will collect you whereever you are in Mogadishu.<br><br>He said you pass through many checkpoints along the way manned by the government. But usally no one ask you a question.</p>— Ahmed Abdihadi (@AhmedAbdihadi) <a href="https://twitter.com/AhmedAbdihadi/status/1157603345072349184?ref_src=twsrc^tfw">August 3, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xamarawi Posted August 5, 2019 http://<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When you arrive at Mubarak Village, there is a hotels with price of $4 per night. There, you will be asked to disclose the value of your business. If you lie, they will show you their information about your business. Particualry if you import they will show your bill of lading.</p>— Ahmed Abdihadi (@AhmedAbdihadi) <a href="https://twitter.com/AhmedAbdihadi/status/1157603347119116293?ref_src=twsrc^tfw">August 3, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xamarawi Posted August 5, 2019 http://<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Now, on calcuations based on your business values they will ask you certain amount of money. <br>When you finish with that office, again you will go to Zaka office and then you pay the annual zaka.<br><br>I asked him who gives them the bill of lading. He answerd the shipping companies.</p>— Ahmed Abdihadi (@AhmedAbdihadi) <a href="https://twitter.com/AhmedAbdihadi/status/1157603349405011968?ref_src=twsrc^tfw">August 3, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xamarawi Posted August 5, 2019 http://<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Why? I asked him!<br>He said Alshabab tried to tax shipping companies cargos per container. But shipping companies said we only tranport the cargo we do not own the cargo. Then Alshabab asked them to provide the details of each ship bill of ladings.</p>— Ahmed Abdihadi (@AhmedAbdihadi) <a href="https://twitter.com/AhmedAbdihadi/status/1157603351451832322?ref_src=twsrc^tfw">August 3, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xamarawi Posted August 5, 2019 http://<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">He provided me examples of businessmen who snubbed Alshabab orders. Including Sahafi Hotel owner who was killed by Alshabab. Later his son honored his father And Did not pay to Alshabab. He was also killed, too.<br>Mr Gurey, the owner of Makkamukarma Hotel is onother example.</p>— Ahmed Abdihadi (@AhmedAbdihadi) <a href="https://twitter.com/AhmedAbdihadi/status/1157603355822305280?ref_src=twsrc^tfw">August 3, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xamarawi Posted August 5, 2019 http://<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Now, as Ashabab collects millions from businessed he said now they are commisioning non Alshabab people to provide them information about new business.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Somalia?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc^tfw">#Somalia</a></p>— Ahmed Abdihadi (@AhmedAbdihadi) <a href="https://twitter.com/AhmedAbdihadi/status/1157603360566128640?ref_src=twsrc^tfw">August 3, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xamarawi Posted August 5, 2019 It is not embedded corectly i dont now why Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
galbeedi Posted August 5, 2019 Well, extorsion, murder, ransom and other means of coercion is the hallmark of Al-shabaab. Even global analysts name them as the richest extremists group in the world. Yet, so far nothing has been done to dry their finance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duufaan Posted August 7, 2019 It seems that the group established a profitable business although they are losing territory. With all that money they must be one of bigger employers in the region. This is what I call anarchism but they are not alone other anarchist groups are relied on them and worried losing them. That is why this information is in the news these days and Abdishakuur is talking about. This is either a free PR or indirect support of the group. That phone is probably not registered. These telecommunication company do not want change their business model and that is why they are part of problem. But there is light end of the tunnel, the end of group is near. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
galbeedi Posted August 7, 2019 Duufaan, They will lose ground when only when the money dries. I heard that when Somali soldiers kill one of the Al-shabaab guys, everyone raises to the dead or wounded body to get the dollars in his pocket. For me, the telecom guys or the Xawaala guys are just small collateral damage to save the country. I would shut them down for weeks and even months to deny the killers any advantage , and will use satellite telephone ond walkie talkie for my soldiers. How can any sane leader will allow money to be transferred through telephone. It is just crazy and an acceptable. If there is a will , there is a way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maakhiri1 Posted August 7, 2019 This is highly sophisticated, like mafia style, Italian or in Colombia , highly organised, profitable bsuiness. Religion is just a pretext Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
galbeedi Posted August 8, 2019 57 minutes ago, maakhiri1 said: Religion is just a pretext The Wahabi sect had mostly facilitated the extra judicial killing of people which is forbidden under Islamic rule. No religion will allow bombing of markets or killing of the innocent civilians. There is doubt that today, Al-Shabaab is mostly criminal mafia used to kill, extort and take ransom for the innocent. unemployed criminals used as mules to kill. The best we could do is cut the financial intensive and the means they earn the money. Why would the telecom business is operating Al-Shabaab ruled area. Like any nation who is battling terrorists, you must cut off the phone and access through local Xawaala and other means. Ceelasha Biyaha, the main Al-Shabaab business center could be cordoned and every Bakhaar searched if there ever was any trace of receipt or Shabaab connection. While searches are underway cut the telephone and the internet from the whole region. With quick messages no one can catch anyone with red handed. We have seen many stories where people were sent to Ceelasha Biyaha to pay the ransom. The issues is what are we doing differently since 2012? start random searches of suspected homes in the middle of the night , of course telephone must be down, and build huge makeshift jail to sort out the bad guys, and take your time. As usual , certain segment will raise hell and demand the release of these guys, but consider that music to the ear. There are some successful Somali intelligence groups in some of the regions. The Puntland PIS is highly successful force against the insurgents. Their main encouragement is huge salary intensive from the Americans. Pay your frontline men more than what the useless member of parliament takes. If there is a will there is a way. Oh, one more thing. Control the movements of foreign intelligence and any force within the country. They should not venture to the city or anywhere without Somali military and intelligence escort. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maakhiri1 Posted August 8, 2019 4 hours ago, galbeedi said: The Wahabi sect had mostly facilitated the extra judicial killing of people which is forbidden under Islamic rule. No religion will allow bombing of markets or killing of the innocent civilians. There is doubt that today, Al-Shabaab is mostly criminal mafia used to kill, extort and take ransom for the innocent. unemployed criminals used as mules to kill. The best we could do is cut the financial intensive and the means they earn the money. Why would the telecom business is operating Al-Shabaab ruled area. Like any nation who is battling terrorists, you must cut off the phone and access through local Xawaala and other means. Ceelasha Biyaha, the main Al-Shabaab business center could be cordoned and every Bakhaar searched if there ever was any trace of receipt or Shabaab connection. While searches are underway cut the telephone and the internet from the whole region. With quick messages no one can catch anyone with red handed. We have seen many stories where people were sent to Ceelasha Biyaha to pay the ransom. The issues is what are we doing differently since 2012? start random searches of suspected homes in the middle of the night , of course telephone must be down, and build huge makeshift jail to sort out the bad guys, and take your time. As usual , certain segment will raise hell and demand the release of these guys, but consider that music to the ear. There are some successful Somali intelligence groups in some of the regions. The Puntland PIS is highly successful force against the insurgents. Their main encouragement is huge salary intensive from the Americans. Pay your frontline men more than what the useless member of parliament takes. If there is a will there is a way. Oh, one more thing. Control the movements of foreign intelligence and any force within the country. They should not venture to the city or anywhere without Somali military and intelligence escort. Walaahi Somalis are not ready, for multiple reasons, PIS is successful because it is not managed by SOMALIS. The only people who can defeat this, is someone as sophisticated as them, for example, even if you reduce corruption and increase salary, the soldiers you pay have families? are they safe, are their families safe? the answer is no. Once you have public servants,soldiers, police, living among the people, in the middle of the night, they came to you with gun point, and give you ultimatum, do what we want you to do, or we kill you or your families. They extort everyone, who refuse, is either dead, or runaway. No one is safe. The answer could be locate families everyone working for the government in gated, secure safe areas, and make sure they never bring their families to like Mogadishu, till this cancer is eradicated. There was a highly level gov employee whose son collaborated and helped these guys, because they had access to him, and forced him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
