late Sultan Mohamoud Ali Shireh

[thoroughbred]

On 7/16/2019 at 6:34 AM, galbeedi said:

 

Also, Ina Cali Shire never signed the so called Somaliland protectorate agreement reached with other tribes mainly the Habro and the Awdalites. In fact, it is one of the major arguments that his land (SAnaag) and those in the eastern side were never fully part of the the British empire. 

 

in  the so called somaliland protectorate  (Maakhiri country) was always independent .  After the Maakhiris threw there lot with the Sayidka the backstabbing Brits met the Sultan in Berbera the deal they put fort was his country will independent but they (the brits) will establish  political control to the rest of British Somaliland but he rejected that agreement and fight /war developed were lot of soldiers got killed that is what this letter is touching on if they free him it will have grave political consequence.

[thoroughbred]

The dirty invaders never put there flag in the land of the  Sultan 

[maakhiri1]

guys, stop the name calling. the thread is hijacked first  by dumb  troll Amigos, who clearly sick and  filled with hate.

all that is obvious from those links, is that , it was horrible time, and at the end, the seed put by the Darwish movement delivered on 26th of June 1960.

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for those who don't know french,  and for those who still today cheer for BRITISH rule, as golden era.. it is 100% human zoo!

 

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For a few weeks Parisians have been able to see in the Jardin d'Acclimatation an ethnographic exhibition of the most curious: it is a caravan composed of twenty-six Somalis, men, women and children. Thanks to the well-known amiability of M. Geoffroy Saint-Hilaire, we have been able to examine closely and in detail those samples of a human race which are not often occasioned in Paris. The description we give here is written according to the invariable plan we have set for our ethnographic descriptions.

The country. - All the Somalis of the Garden of Acclimatization come from that part of the African coast which is exactly above Aden, they belong to the tribes Habr-Auel, Habr-Junis, Habr-Gerhadjis, Habr-Toldjaleh, Dolbohanta, etc. But the Somalis, in general, occupy a much larger territory, because they are spread over the whole surface of this northeastern tip of the African continent, which touches, on one side to the Gulf of Aden, and on the other side to the Indian Ocean.

To the north they go as far as Abyssinia; to the south, they extend to the territory of the Sultan of Zanzibar; To the west, the country being poorly known, the limits are undecided. In addition, the Somalis are continually at war with the Gallas, their neighbors on this side.

The region inhabited by our Somalis can be divided into three parts: (1) the coast, where we find some large villages to which we give the name of cities; (2) a long chain of limestone mountains along this first zone; (3) the interior plateau, crowned with high mountains, where the nomads live. We can say, in general, that the country is little watered.

Currently, the Somali countries are under the protectorate of England, which has some posts in the main towns of the coast.

[Suldaanka]

55 minutes ago, maakhiri1 said:

all that is obvious from those links, is that , it was horrible time, and at the end, the seed put by the Darwish movement delivered on 26th of June 1960.

 

I do not discount that there were problems, as much in Somaliland as in any other Somali region. As illustrated by the forceful removal of those Somalis that are caged behind barbed wires.

But lets not forget a worse situation is unfolding today. Every country you go to, there are Somali in jails, in terrible conditions. Not to mention the slavery in Libya. 

Somaliland was the least affected by foreign interferences. That is a fact. The only thing the Mad Mullah done was to turn the eyes of the Empire to our country. Before the Mad Mullah, the British were only stationed in key cities and locations, far away from the majority of population which were nomads. 

After the Mad Mullah, there were foreign armies from as far from India as in Egypt and Uganda that were brought to the country. And the British Administration started moving to the country side where it never reached before.

The British had bigger fish to fry erwhere in the world, they least interested in Somali issues. 

That cannot be said about the Italians. The Italians considered Somalia their main possession, and dealt with it like an extension of Italy. 

[galbeedi]

He definitely hijacked. The Sultan has written many letters for different times, yet, they brought this one to highlight his weaknesses under duress.. This was a letter of grief stricken man sequestered from him home, family, wife , children and taken to unknown island. 

History has shown he along Faarah Oomar were the only Somali leaders exiled by the British. Even after they released around him  nineteen thirties , they kept him in Eden for political reason. Having been the father in law of Sayid Mohamed, Ina Cali Shire could have created problems for the British.

Our friend Suldaanka keeps talking about ' Buur ahow ama buur ku tiirsanow" which is a false Somali hubris that is exaggerated the tribal reach. The great Darwiish, Ina Cabile Hassan, landed Berbera " Isagoo baakoorad laadlaadinaya" . he didn't have money, presiege or clan (Buur) behind him. His paternal clans were far away in Iimay and Godey. Yey, within few years he raised the largest army the Somali people had seen in early twentieth century. He was aided by proud nomads first from Buuhoodle including Ismaaciil mare and other from Sool, Sanaag and even Togdheer (There were large West and East Burco) Daraawiish contingent  in the early years.

If there was anyone to follow the footsteps of the Daraawiish, it wasn't going to from Puntland or the Habro, but from Sanaag. That is why the British kept him out of the  region until the second world war approached. 

Folks, history is a cruel thing that can't be remade. The Daraawiish struggle was the modern Somali nationalism manifested in freedom of faith (Islam) and the Somali way of life free from colonial domination. Of course clan and other cultural issues of the era were always present but the main issue of struggle against the colonials was always paramount. The 21 year Daraawiish war has discouraged the British to make this land full colony. He created "Cheif Aqils" and other divide and rule mechanism to deal with the independent nomads who want to roam the land freely. Even when the the Somali nationalism was at height in Somaliland in nineteen fifties, he pitted west burco and east Burco with clan war that almost destroyed the movement.

Certainly some Somalis were on the wrong side of history in that  rebellious  war and freedom. There is no use to recreate or make the villains hero and the hero crazy, tribal  and outlaw as the British did , calling Sayidka Mad Mullah. 

We can't discard and throw our own history and the hero's we hold dear. Because the hero is from  the wrong tribe , it doesn't mean his sacrifices and history must be thrown. I know for may of you guys  are the generations who grew up idolizing  Caydiid, Siilaanyo, Cali Mahdi and C/laahi Yusuf,and of  the history of the nation might have started in 1969 or 1991.

Certainly every tribe had some great heroes who had contributed for the national collective agenda of our people. People fall, fail and rise up.  

Furthermore,  the biggest threat to your own well being and your peace isn't other than your own clan or the closest clan you share the name. If you are in Burco, the east and west clans had killed more people between them than any outsider. Caydiid and Cali Mahdi had killed more among themselves than any other tribe,  the list goes on.

The colonial powered had subdued people and nations who were more powerful than the Somalis. China, India and others were subdued. If a Somali nomad had achieved keeping the British at bay for 21 years,k it was a great feet that we must all celebrate. Heroe like Sheikh Bashir killed in day light in Burco was among the northern heroes of independence. If the Watsangeli Sultanate and Mohamed C. Shire were pro-freedom we must celebrate, just like Sheikh C/laahi of west Burco who proceeded the Daraawiish and fought the british with large causality.

Close this topic and move on, and please do not throw our heroes under the base just to be tough on the wrong tribe.

 

 

 

[SeaFaringSomali]

Those "letters" are clearly fake. Tell me lads, how were these letters "written" to the English at a time when their was no scripted Somali language? 

[thoroughbred]

2 hours ago, SeaFaringSomali said:

Those "letters" are clearly fake. Tell me lads, how were these letters "written" to the English at a time when their was no scripted Somali language? 

those letters this amigo character provided are fake they were done by some one who is filled with hate and desire to harm ,tarnish peoples reputation .the line of communication were done in Arabic if there is Somali leader writing to the Europeans it was done in Arabic that is the original paper (reference) not the translated as always  ones with inferiority complex could edit those and if they are true its called misleading the enemy  .Somalis before the Somali script were using Arabic script 

[thoroughbred]

2 hours ago, galbeedi said:

The colonial powered had subdued people and nations who were more powerful than the Somalis. China, India and others were subdued. If a Somali nomad had achieved keeping the British at bay for 21 years,k it was a great feet that we must all celebrate.

Agree completely that is something to be proud of and celebrate  but as usual some people like to discredit as it doesn't suit there agenda 

[thoroughbred]

its you that are trying to rewrite history  . history has been written little lad just because it shows your clan was on the wrong side of history don't waste your time it wont change nothing.

history has phases Suldaan inna Cali shire fought against the imperialist he was anti colonial a man the british consider an enemy whom they respected while those loyal to them they despised them and called names such shoe shiners. 

that picture was the end of the british empire in Aden when he came back home .where he knew he did his job which was to protect his people and get the best of the situation the end of the imperialist was on sight .The invaders didnt colonize his people ,couldn't  settle even give birth in his land and the most important didnt change their religion  . that is called winning considering in other lands  they brought all sorts of corruption over   just like   some parts of the world the imperialist  stripped what ever the natives had as they submitted to them.  

as for your letter it shows the shrewdness of the late sultan as deception is part of war hiding his real strategy .

[thoroughbred]

ridiculous you keep repeating the same shite you have caught diarrhoea .history has been written and it wont be changed , those with   historical grievances  can spew all they like.

the facts are the sultan was apposed to anything to do with colonial rule 

the photograph was the end of the imperial era in Aden year was 1954 and was invation to all sultans around the world as he was representing the somalis    , and what he is leaning on is his sword .that same sword he cut the rope front of the british when they asked him why his replay was we dont prostrate to humans but to Allah alone.

about the letter is not begging  its  scheme to get what you want and deception is part of war to make it appear he quit his lust of the blood of the imperialists for as he was in house arrest in far land. read the anti colonial nationalist leaders that were  in  Seycheles from the Malays to the Ghananian Ashantis they all tried to deceive the brits by using similar tactics. when he returned back home he was still holding his anti colonial view and rejected somalis going under the british.

[thoroughbred]

i have answered all your questions in my last comment but its seems like you are just another brainwashed troll who wants to push what ever the butt hurt  imperialist and their propaganda machine were pushing as they got used and abused .remember little boy reer Maakhir were in war in three fronts basically the Maakhiris outsmarted them in so many instances   and that is why they still sitting on that vast land  stretching from Laasqorey to Gacal guule  from Bosaso to Ceerigaabo so stop whining history has been written already you cant re-write history .

[thoroughbred]

you are just jealous  but you admire how the suldan is standing and leaning proudly front of that so called queen  .

be a good boy and watch this history lesson 

 

[thoroughbred]

poor lad is that all you can bring . the facts nobody cant change is that  The Suldaan Ilaahey ha naxaristo stood up against the strongest empire in the world and kept them a bay for long time by using different tactics while some people were happy to be under it and still glorify as the golden time .A man even his strongest enemies had respect for how he protected the people that were under his rule .A man who was anti colonial from the beginning to the end of his life . he was one of the causes the emperialist didnt settle  down in the land.

facts - Suldanku while in his home base no one ruled besides him 

as i told you many times many of the anti colonial national leaders that were in exile in places far away from their lands were using the same tactic  of deceiving the imperialists by pretending they no longer want war but as soon they returned home they were still politically anti colonial and active. you are only running around that letter as you got nothing else to discredit him but it is worthless  .

 He was intelligent ,sharp man who knew how to get out of the situation.

[thoroughbred]

the letter is a proof against you 

firstly its mistranslation of words

secondly -it confirms that before the exile he was anti colonial whom was against placing his country under the protectorate of the english and was not willing to be changed from his status and was disrespectfull to the english but now him being exiled in far land away from his family he is willing to play along just so he can free himself and get back to his home country ,get past the language of the time all the letter says he will no longer be trouble to them. As soon he got back home he was still anti colonial that shows he was playing along .

 

[Suldaanka]

This is classic.