Informing the right authorities

[winnie]

can you give me the backstory of what is going on in minni?

or should i go to the politics section?

[Fabregas]

Dayuthnimo.com

[Geel_jire]

Originally posted by Protocol:

quote:Originally posted by Mujaahid Red Sea:

This whole thread isn't about informing anything. It relates to the recent snitching in MPLS done some arogant somalis like you who have shamed the somalis both here abroad and at home. You gonna have to live with that. This isn't my thoughts only, this is how ordinary somalis in Minnesota particularly feel, about the people like your type.

It's about morals and doing the right thing my slow freind, but considering where you are from, what would you know about that?

 

Anybody would inform the authorities about those who seek to manipulate and send kids off to somalia to commit suicide bombings. It's not even about politics but right and wrong.

See that is an entirely different can of worms ... but clever of you to start with "would you inform on someone committing rape, murder" no need to hide behind that ..Al-shabab were NOT responsible for the recent suicide bombings but you dont care do you ? anyone who dares opposes master melez is certainly evil.

 

if there are young men who are going back home to take part in the resistance they should be honored for the heroes they are not snitched on by traitorous rats.

 

where is all this moral indignation when xabashi and their lackyes commit wholesale slaughter inside masjids no less with the blessing of dab0dh1fis.

 

i knew something smelled in this thread

[Sir-Qalbi-Adeyg]

shaken and deterred

 

walaal, I don't know the whole story. But check the politics section. Supposedly there are al shabab recruiters sending kids off to somalia to fight.

 

Anyway, that's not the whole point of the topic. I'm just amazed that grown people are acting like kids and imitating the "stop snitching" asinine hip hop campaign. My point is we should not be ashamed to report those who are planning or have done harm to the right authorities when it comes to serious crimes.

[RedSea]

Morales my foot. You are cyber boot licker of foreing invasion forces. Dont' preach to us about doing the right thing.

 

 

that being said, if someone shoots someone, yes you should report what you have seen and not conceal it. That yes. But snitching on Masjids and saying they are recruiting Alshabab. That is not reporting.

[Sir-Qalbi-Adeyg]

Originally posted by Mujaahid Red Sea:

Morales my foot. You are Daba ******, Ethiopian cyber boot licker, cyber harlot AY and his Ethiopian masters, what you know about doing the right thing? give me a break.

Spoken like the true mental midget you are. You cannot put forth an argument without resorting childish insults?

[RedSea]

Poltical harlots and snitches should have no ground to stand on, and least of all should not preach to anyone of what is wrong and right.

 

Snitching on Masjids that the somali community has worked hard to buy and then send their kids to learn their deen is just the last drop. these people are done and they should be classified as snitches within us.

 

Snitches>>>>>>>

[Sir-Qalbi-Adeyg]

Mujaahid Foot in mouth

 

When you're in a hole , stop digging. You've made yourself look like a fool plenty of times on this forum. The discussion is about those who seek to recruit and manipulate young kids and send them to fight in somalia or other countries, that is wrong and should be condemened by all irrespective of ones political leanings.

 

No one is talking about 'snitching' on masjids, or do you have comprehension problems?

[RedSea]

That is exactly what your likes did in Minnesota, snitch on the Masjids and you are in support of that just like duke aren't you?

[Paragon]

Horta, what age are these kids we are talking about?

[Rahima]

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said:

 

“Help your brother, whether he is an oppressor or he is oppressed.” The Prophet was asked: “It is right to help him if he is oppressed, but how should we help him if he is an oppressor?” He replied: “By preventing him from oppressing others.”

 

{Sahih Bukhari, Volume 3, Hadith 624}

 

Narrated ‘Abdullah bin Umar:

 

Allah’s Apostle said, “A Muslim is a brother of another Muslim, so he should not oppress him, nor should he hand him over to an oppressor . Whoever fulfilled the needs of his brother, Allah will fulfill his needs; whoever brought his (Muslim) brother out of a discomfort, Allah will bring him out of the discomforts of the Day of Resurrection, and whoever screened a Muslim, Allah will screen him on the Day of Resurrection .”

 

{Book 43, Volume 3, Number 622: Sahih Buhari}

[NinBrown]

You should try and other muslims should try and stop to stop oppression. I dont think you should report them unless imminent loss of life is about to occur and you and fellow muslims are unable to stop it.

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

Speaking of "snitching" and masaajid, this article published on Toronto Star is relevant, I guess.

 

Mosque fights for rights, but slurs Jews and West

 

Centre backs women in UPS dress case, while other faiths are smeared online

 

A mosque asking that Canadian workplaces respect a strict Muslim dress code is at the same time disseminating slurs against Jews and Western societies, and warning members against social integration.

 

The Khalid Bin Al-Walid Mosque near Kipling Ave. and Rexdale Blvd. serves as the religious authority for eight Somali women complaining to the Canadian Human Rights Commission that UPS Canada Ltd. violated their religious rights at a sorting plant. The mosque, founded in 1990 and serving upwards of 10,000 people, preaches strict adherence to sharia, or Islamic law, and no compromise with the West.

 

Teachings on the mosque's website, khalidmosque.com, refer to non-Muslim Westerners as "wicked," "corrupt" and "our clear enemies."

 

Sometimes Jews are singled out.

 

"Is it permissible for women to wear high-heeled shoes?" begins one posting in question-and-answer format. "That is not permissible," comes the reply. "It involves resembling the Disbelieving Women or the wicked women. It has its origin among the Jewish women."

 

Modern pastimes are condemned.

 

"What is the ruling on subscribing to sports channels?" another question begins. "Watching some of the female spectators, when the camera focuses on them time after time" stirs "evil inclinations," the lesson reads. "Some (players) may not even believe in Allaah."

 

Mosque leaders refused repeated requests for an interview.

 

A disclaimer on the website says questions and answers do not necessarily reflect the mosque's views. But the About Us page says: "All questions and answers on this site (are) prepared, approved and supervised by (the mosque's imam) Bashir Yusuf Shiil."

 

The mosque's stand on the UPS case also appears contradictory.

 

In September, a Canadian Human Rights Tribunal heard two weeks of testimony from eight mosque members alleging "Islamophobia" at the company's west Toronto plant. Three final days of testimony are scheduled for next week.

 

The eight women, who lost their jobs at UPS, say Islam dictates that they wear a full-length skirt for modesty. The courier company insists that any skirt be knee-length for safety, as workers climb ladders up to 6 metres high.

 

Under their skirt, the women wear full-length trousers but say they do not want the lower part showing in case the shape of the calf can be discerned.

 

The complaint originally centred on the company's use of temporary workers and uneven enforcement of its safety rules.

 

But the key question remains: Is UPS insisting on shorter hems for safety or is it violating religious rights by denying the women permanent jobs unless they conform?

 

So far, no Khalid Bin Al-Walid Mosque representative has attended the sessions, but the women cited the mosque as their place of worship and religious authority, and tabled a letter from its administration. "This is to certify that the religion of Islam requires all Muslim women to cover her entire body inclusive of the legs, arms, head, ears and neck," the letter reads. "As such, (the women) would not be able to wear pants as an outfit."

 

On the other hand, the mosque's website teachings forbid women to work outside the home in the first place. "It is known that when women go to work in the workplaces of men, this leads to mixing with men," one such posting says.

 

"This is a very dangerous matter," it reads. "It is in clear opposition to the texts of the Shariah that order the women to remain in their houses and to fulfill the type of work that is particular for her ...

 

"We ask Allah to protect our land and the lands of all Muslims from the plots and machinations of their enemies."

 

Two of the women making the complaint – Dales Yusuf, 46, and Nadifo Yusuf (no relation), 36 – said in an interview that they live in Canada now, and are free to pick and choose from Islamic law.

 

"We must work," said Dales Yusuf. "I'm a single parent raising my kids." Jacquie Chic, a lawyer with the Workers' Action Centre representing the women at the hearings, said neither she nor her clients were aware of the mosque's posted teachings. "I, the Workers' Centre and these women are concerned enormously about any expression of anti-Semitism or any other form of racism," she said.

 

Questions to the mosque about its teachings were met with evasiveness over three weeks.

 

Mosque chairman Osman Mohamed three times agreed to an interview and three times cancelled at last minute. Imam Shiil was said to be in Saudi Arabia and unreachable. Mosque administrator Abukar Mohamed confused matters further by appearing to agree with UPS, saying: "The Quran says women must be covered – it doesn't give you the specific clothes. But I am not a religious authority."

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Those who run that masaajid now were said to complain about how they have been "snitched" -- they mean the revelation of Islamic comments on their site to the media -- by their bitterly rival wadaado, whom they wrestled the control of that masaajid from -- all the way going to the secular courts. I guess their rivalry did not end there.

[winnie]

^^^ i think if they believe in their words, they should stand by them, and not be ashamed of them coming to light.

regardless if someone is snitching.

[RedSea]

I don't know about Canada. But the somali community here in Minnesota worked so hard to buy big space and turned into the biggest Masjid in Minnesota. This Masjid named Abu bakr as sidique is the core of the somali community in Minnesota. It has weekend Madrasas, Library, wedding hall, and massive space for prayers. They hired well trusted somali Sheikhs that are law abiding who would never dare to get involved anything that is against teh laws of this country.

 

It just turns out that some young somali men decided from out of their right mind to go back to their country and join the struggle back in their country. these were young men, but not kids or under age. they all went under their own consent.

 

Some snitches went out of their way (n one knows what they have to gain from it) and reported the Masjid to the homeland security department under the code of 'terrorist activities'.

 

The FBI is investigating this, and so far no one has been found guilty of the accusation put forth by local somali snitches.

 

Ladies and gents, these people have shamed us. We were all shocked when we witnessed somalis along side ethiopians in the war trenches, but non of us expected for them to go this low.

 

The biggest somali masjid in Minnesota is in jeopardy.