Libaax-Sankataabte Posted December 10, 2001 You put two pails of water outside on a freezing day. One has hot water (95 degrees C) and the other has an equal amount of colder water (50 degrees C). Which freezes first? The hot water freezes first! Why? It is commonly argued that the hot water will take some time to reach the initial temperature of the cold water, and then follow the same cooling curve. So it seems at first glance difficult to believe that the hot water freezes first. The answer lies mostly in evaporation. The effect is definitely real and can be duplicated in your own kitchen. Every "proof" that hot water can't freeze faster assumes that the state of the water can be described by a single number. Remember that temperature is a function of position. There are also other factors besides temperature, such as motion of the water, gas content, etc. With these multiple parameters, any argument based on the hot water having to pass through the initial state of the cold water before reaching the freezing point will fall apart. The most important factor is evaporation. The cooling of pails without lids is partly Newtonian and partly by evaporation of the contents. The proportions depend on the walls and on temperature. At sufficiently high temperatures evaporation is more important. If equal masses of water are taken at two starting temperatures, more rapid evaporation from the hotter one may diminish its mass enough to compensate for the greater temperature range it must cover to reach freezing. The mass lost when cooling is by evaporation is not negligible. In one experiment, water cooling from 100C lost 16% of its mass by 0C, and lost a further 12% on freezing, for a total loss of 26%. The cooling effect of evaporation is twofold. First, mass is carried off so that less needs to be cooled from then on. Also, evaporation carries off the hottest molecules, lowering considerably the average kinetic energy of the molecules remaining. This is why "blowing on your soup" cools it. It encourages evaporation by removing the water vapor above the soup. Thus experiment and theory agree that hot water freezes faster than cold for sufficiently high starting temperatures, if the cooling is by evaporation. Cooling in a wooden pail or barrel is mostly by evaporation. In fact, a wooden bucket of water starting at 100C would finish freezing in 90% of the time taken by an equal volume starting at room temperature. The folklore on this matter may well have started a century or more ago when wooden pails were usual. Considerable heat is transferred through the sides of metal pails, and evaporation no longer dominates the cooling, so the belief is unlikely to have started from correct observations after metal pails became common. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LadyFatima Posted December 10, 2001 WOW! Thanks I didn't know that........... So anyway, what grade did you get on this assignment? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hibo Posted December 30, 2001 Thanx for sharing the Info with us, though it took me long to understand what u have written and I had to re-read!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Batuulo Posted June 23, 2003 a/c wr wb maasha allaah, LS I wasn't know this before, thnks bro Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nin-Yaaban Posted June 23, 2003 My school years are long over, i can barely remember anything from physics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nuune Posted June 24, 2003 lol@Nin-Yaaban,anoo kale miyaa tahay,anaa physicska iigu danbeessay waqti hore,xattaa speed of soundka waan hilmaamay waxa uu ahaa. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Siman Posted July 14, 2003 Libaax, let me guess, Are studying/studied Chemical Engring? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites