I never thought I would hear this from any Somali let alone one who passes as Kililka V/President

[Old_Observer]

For those of you who do not know the Ethiopian Amxaric language its just as reference I link or you can ask a friend to confirm:

 

1. The existing nationalism is wrong we should all be Ethiopians one people

2. The Oromo taking the lions share of Federal government positions is democratic

3. Its better if Ethiopia was organized as east west north east etc administrative regions rather than Linguistic and Ethnic preference

4. I prefer individual rights. The group rights should be left to individual choice.

5. I want citizen politics not Ethnic Dr. Abiy is not stating this laudly, but that is his preference as well.

 

Unbelievable. I think his hate for Illey and by extension for Tigray is pushing him to be more Amxara than Amxara. Very sad. The Oromos do not speak half of what he said, let alone a Somali who fought 100 years against centralized Ethiopia if not against being included in Ethiopia.

Even if he wanted to say negative about previous administration, he should have had some self respect as a Somali. Why would he state loudly what PM Abiy or even most of the Oromo do not even say quietly. He should have had respect for the Somali people and be reserved even with his hate for previous admin.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRLgL90p_L0

 

The journalist himself is Unitarian, but he found it incredulous and couldn't stomach the phony of Abtigis.

 

It was funny when Abtigis said that the nationalistic attitudes is weakening the unity of the Ethiopian people. The journalist could not believe that a President of the Somali region, would speak this way. It showed on their argumentativeness. Fake person.

That was not what was propagandized when he changed the kilil flag? The propaganda was that Abtigis is a Somali Ethnicist. Lately he keeps repeating that Illey was doing everything to separate Somali kilil from Ethiopia. No body buys this except most Amxara.

Illey did what was allowed in the constitution:

TV station was broadcasting only in Somali. What is wrong with that and also why should Somalis pay twice one for federal broadcasting Amharic and again for Kilil media Amharic. When the capacity of Kilil Media grew there was news only about Somali kilil, in Amharic for few minutes.

Education did not include history and also cultures from other areas. First of all Ethiopians themselves do not agree about history secondly let the kids learn their own first and then as they advance into middle school and secondary can learn about others

There was too much force in the kilil equal to some small African countries. Ethiopians did not complain when kilil was fighting ONLF and they forget. Secondly its border region. Thirdly its geographically very large kilil. The Somali people paid for it.

The Somali kilil was doing projects that are not federal. So what if the kilil built an airport. When built the kilil did not refuse to include the airport with the Ethiopian airport authority and civil aviation administration. If kilil had waited the federal would not have built the airport in 5 years and many roads and dams.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[galbeedi]

I think Mr. Cagjar is very weak leader . The big difference is that unlike Mustage Cagjar the Amhara know what they want, and If A Somali carries their water they will ride him anytime.If he think the Amahara would elevate him prime minister he is dreaming.

He would have made case for the historical marginalization of Somalis since Menelik. He doesn't understand that other than Somalis the rest of Ethiopians do not even have a pure ethnic character. THere isn't much difference between an Oromo and Amhara christians. It has always been Somalis and other Ethiopians , and if there any region who is  candidate for total independence, it should be Somalis

By the way OO,

Why you always hide or hold back the big news from Tigray for the last few days?. TPLF chairman Mr. Debretsion Gebremichael had given an interview and said that " If the Addis government doesn't change it's anti Tigray policies they might separate. Here is some of the answers:

Question: "When moving around the region, we observed that there is this feeling of being pushed away and being isolated by the current administration. Those we spoke to in Tigray told us that the current administration is attacking Tigreans. What do you say about this?

Well it is an open secret. We have seen media houses both from regional states like the Amhara Mass Media Agency as well as those at the federal level targeting Tigryans. They labeled the past 27 years as the “age of darkness”. All positive developments done during those years were overshadowed by this narrative and people from Tigray were blamed for it.

We also believe that both top and lower level officials are intentionally targeted just because they are ethnic Tigreans. So, currently, there is this campaign and propaganda targeting Tigreans.

For instance, if we mentioned the case of Brig. Gen. Kinfe (Dagnew) [former Director General of METEC], we were the ones who agreed to hand him over to the federal government. However, the way he was treated later on was unacceptable. This was done because he is from Tigray.

We see a former military officer, who defected with many of his soldiers to Cairo; being received and applauded at the airport where as a general who served his country was shamed and embarrassed. Not only that, there were a number of officials who were selectively removed from their jobs as well as arrested just because they are from Tigray. All in all, those things are bizarre for me.

They also accused the TPLF or Tigray whenever there is any incident in the country.

We have tried to share our concerns to the federal government as well as the Amhara Regional State.

Now we seen the campaign against Tigray is being formalized. For instance, the House of Federation just recently said that Tigray was more beneficial in terms of road infrastructure. We see those campaigns and propaganda targeting Tigray being formalized.

So, if the government continues to do that, there is no reason for us to continue working with such kind of government unless otherwise they fix the problem. Not only that, this will have a grave consequence and the country will dismantle.

So, Mr, OO what is going on?

I heard the Tigray are selling their hotels, buildings and assets in Addis. 

[Old_Observer]

Regarding Somali

Till this moment I always gave Abtigis the benefit of doubt. I know he has problems with both Illey and also ONLF. He also did not solve the issues and concerns of Shinnile. Dirdaba situation is worst and weaker for Somalis than it was a year ago.

But this low, I never expected. a century of war may be hidden for temporary benefits of power, but is always present in human memory since every family has been touched at one point or another and with this or that side.

Abtigis now is totally beholden to those who brought him to his position. He also does not want to stay in the kilil, he wants to move very fast to Addis Ababa. Government of Kililka is equivalent to small African country and a million issues to decide. There will be supporters and opposing to every decision. He is just like Abiy who likes applauding and face book flowers.

A true leader should be able to tell his people something they may not like if he is sure its beneficial for them.

 

Regarding Tigray

its not new. The first manifesto of TPLF was establishing a Tigray republic.

There is always a segment of the population that believes Ethiopia is holding them back from where they could have reached.

The Amxara are full time campaigning against Tigray and Afwerki and Abiy are doing the same to quite the Amxara if not getting the support of Amxara.

The A,xara hate comes from the following:

If it was not for Tigray all other Ethnics never amounted to anything

If it was not for Tigray there would not be federalism and now Ethnics have governed themselves we cannot bring them back under our control even if we get central government

If it was not for Tigray everyone in Ethiopia would have been speaking Amharic since all education was in Amharic from grade 1

That they are convinced. There is nothing Tigray can do or say to convince them the truth. If you tell them that the Somali and even Oromo started before TPLF, they tell you, yes but what did they do all those years. TPLF in short years turned Ethiopia up side down.

 

Let alone in poor and backward Ethiopia even the Scottish and Wales want to go their way.

For both Tigray and Somali in particular separation maybe the solution for development. Ethiopia with 100 million people is going no where. Cannot create jobs or economy to match that.

Many places are lawless right now. 85 percent of Ethiopia is rural. Abiy has not even done anything other than talk un the cities. The situation was bad always, but now is dangerous.

If the world has financial crisis like 2008 Ethiopia is one of the countries that will have chaos with nobody to even donate food or medicine.

 

[Che -Guevara]

The one thing we could thank Woyanes for is reawaking of ethnonationalism among Ethiopians. They have made sure the country is balkanized once they lose power. They are fully prepared for any eventuality. The question is would the Somali be ready once Ethiopia comes apart?

 

I have seen many Ethiopians. They are mild-mannered people for the most part but the ones I see nowadays are either ready to unite Ethiopia by force or destroyed by force. There's to be no middle ground.

[The Zack]

Che, meesha adaan kaa garan e nimanka kaa koreeyo miyey cusub yihiin tolow? Maxey ku talinayaan? Inuu Mustafe go'itaanka gobolkeena u ololeeyo miyaa?

[galbeedi]

The Zack,

Uma ololaynayno in uu gobolka gooyo, laakiin waa in uu garta in uusan ahayn shaqaale dawladeed oo Ethiopia u shaqeeya , ee uu yahay " The political leader of the Somali region", and as such must act accordingly.

He preferred that the country should be organized with directions (east, west or south) in terms region not the traditional sense of a country of nations. Ethiopia is the last empire standing with dozens of nationalities forced by their colonial policy of last century. Well, if he agrees with the Amhara, then the Somali region should be divided in four or five regions based on geography.

When he talks to the Ethiopian media he gets out of his way to kiss the Amhara rear. He scared to death of being replaced. he never addresses the needs of Somalis; he never talks about reforming the one sided regions within the Somali KIlil.

We got a lot of beef to grind with this guy, but because of Somalihood and goodwill we want to give him a chance to improve . Despite it's tribal name and  all that is wrong, the ONLF has clear cut positions on these issues.

 

[galbeedi]

Oh, by the way,

Since you are the spokesperson of Mustafe Cagjar , just tell him that we are watching him , and he is getting a lot of break and benefit of the doubt  from our side these days.  Otherwise, we could be posting  his misdeeds weekly here.

JUst Few weeks ago his LIyu police had murdered three farmers in Harowo region. Few days before the murder the locals protested , and days letter his goons showed up and shot three farmers randomly to teach them a lesson.

Maybe Mustafe  is right and the Somali region should be broken up just like the Amhara wants. Maybe Somalis will get relief from his goons.

 

[Haatu]

War ninka ifka laguma ciilinee, ma uurka hooyadiis baa lagu ciilay?!? What is wrong with this guy? This is kaboqaad and gunnimo to a new level. But what else do we expect from a puppet who was placed on the throne? 

The Zack, tell Abtigiis that come the next elections wallee waa laguu xiiri doonaa. Waxaa tahay waa la arkay. Haddaa adiga Itoobiyaan tahay, boorsadaada intaa buuxsato, orod Gondar tag.

[Old_Observer]

14 hours ago, The Zack said:

Che, meesha adaan kaa garan e nimanka kaa koreeyo miyey cusub yihiin tolow? Maxey ku talinayaan? Inuu Mustafe go'itaanka gobolkeena u ololeeyo miyaa?

Its not advocating for this or that.

The point is he should show respect for the thousands and thousands who died to achieve even the little autonomy that has been achieved. Its a big deal. The Somali was the most autonomous in culture, language, identity and even limited development.

WSLF was the first organization in Ethiopia that put self-government as minimum condition for the Somali people to stay in Ethiopia 35 years ago.

Mustafe need to have respect for the past if he has no self respect at all. The Amxara are writing for Mustafe as next PM lol. That should tell you something. He is too beholden to Unitarians.

[The Zack]

Galbeedi,

Ninyahow horta nin wanaagsan oo wanaag doonahayo baad u qoraal eg tahay, waana kugu bogaadinayaa taas.  Bahasha saad moodday ma aha laakiin.  Ma maqashay "******  turub baray"?  Meeshan Itoobiya ah waa la isu qayyilayaa, ereyada qallalan ee la isku wareerinayo aad ha u raac raacin. Mustafe iyo team-kiisa jahada ay u socdaan wey u caddahay.   Midda kale dynamics-ka meesha ka jiro haddaad aad ula socoto, you would know Amhara are not really in power right now so there is no need uu udhunkado "dhankooda danbe".  Axmaar xil kama qaadi karo cidna.  

 

Haatu, 

Adoo siyaasi ah baan ku ogaa waagaan Azania dhiseynay ee bahashii makaa guurtay go'naheen.  Abtigiiisa Awrkiraale ma aha! 

 

Old_Observer,

Barasho wanaagsan awoowe horta.  Taariikhda gobolkan iyo hayaankuu soo maray si fiican buu uga dharagsan yahay madaxweynahu. He sacrificed his own families lives for it.  Nin damman ma aha.  Ficiladiisa eeg, not hadaladiisa.  Hadalo madhan Farmajo bey meel gaadhsiin waayeen. 

Kan yare ee kale asaga uma jawaabayo. 

[Dahireeto]

14 minutes ago, Apophis said:

I meet him in Nairobi in 2013. 

I did not sense greatness from him.

You never met anyone from OG clan. Stop pretending to be legit. Give it up saxiib. Worry more about your uncle Biixi. 

[Haatu]

1 hour ago, The Zack said:

Haatu, 

Adoo siyaasi ah baan ku ogaa waagaan Azania dhiseynay ee bahashii makaa guurtay go'naheen.  Abtigiiisa Awrkiraale ma aha! 

The Zack,

Salaan sare sxb. Sheekadu hadday tahay "Aabahaa nin dilay af sama leh u lahow, caloolxumana u lahow" waan u garaabi abtigiis. Waana run siyaasadda kililka aad u lama socdi waayahan, laakiinse waxyaabo dhowr ah oo aan ku arkay baan ka diday. Marka haddaad i leedahay saas ma aha, waa laga dhursugi bal wixii ka soo naasacaddaada.

Laakiinse markii doorashada la gaaro, ani iyo constituencyga aan ka soo jeedo nimanka aan dhisi doonno waa la wada ogyahay marka abtigiis labadan sano ha iska macaansado.

[galbeedi]

7 hours ago, The Zack said:

Meeshan Itoobiya ah waa la isu qayyilayaa, ereyada qallalan ee la isku wareerinayo aad ha u raac raacin. Mustafe iyo team-kiisa jahada ay u socdaan wey u caddahay

I hope you are right.

Unlike Tigray, Oromo and others , the choice of Somalis has always been independence. If outright independence isn't possible , then full autonomy within Ethiopia is a must. Somali culture, language and socio-economic autonomy shouldn't be debated. 

Even during the negotiations with ONLF , Abiy had agreed that five years of autonomy and a referendum to be followed. Anything less than that or Ethiopian unitary is an acceptable. Ethiopia isn't an accident , it is an empire that never reformed.

 

 

 

 

 

[Old_Observer]

On 6/18/2019 at 6:18 PM, galbeedi said:

I hope you are right.

Unlike Tigray, Oromo and others , the choice of Somalis has always been independence. If outright independence isn't possible , then full autonomy within Ethiopia is a must. Somali culture, language and socio-economic autonomy shouldn't be debated.

 

 

 

 

That should be minimum for each and every Somali no matter how many internal differences one have. No alliance, common front, political friendship should be made with outsiders who do not respect the minimum requirement of the Somali.

I hope Abtigis will correct the big mistakes he made in the first part when the second part of the interview is to be posted next week. He can say what he wants or believes about other Somali or leaders, but he should always consider that a lot of life and limb has been paid even for autonomy.

 

 

[Che -Guevara]

I don't understand his thinking!