ALL MUSLIMS BOYCOTT DANISH PRODUCTS!!

[Jacpher]

They're indeed. The Muslim masses appear to have just woken up.

 

"We declare our right on this earth...to be a human being, to be respected as a human being, to be given the rights of a human being in this society, on this earth, in this day, which we intend to bring into existence by any means necessary." - Malcolm X

[Sayyid]

Originally posted by Abraar: However, what disappointed me a bit is how certain furious Muslims are threatening to bomb and kill innocent folks--adds fuel to the fire and only proves certain westerners' preconceived notion of Islam being a religion of the sword and bloodshed

 

I really find your statement very interesting especially this bit "and only proves certain westerners' preconceived notion of Islam being a religion of the sword and bloodshed".

 

If Islaam isn't a religion of the "sword and bloodshed", how come that Islaam has spread so far?

 

We respect other people's belief and no one is forcing them to accept "islaam" as made clear by the quraan verse "Laa ikraaha fi diin" (there's no compulsion in religion)but Islaam did spread without sword and until we return to the sword our enemies will try to mock us further.

 

Let's return to the sword inshallah. I am not advocating for killing innocent people but I know that without the "sword" we will not be able to spread the risaalah (message) of al-Islaam.

 

Every ideology in this world including socialism and democracy (american and british emperialism) was spread with force and compulsion.

 

Islaam is a much superior, natural and lasting ideology than the mentioned above but the reason why we need to return to the sword is that no one will allow potential people who might join our religion are prevented from the "enemies" of islaam and until we remove them in front of the people they supposedly represent we're not fulfilling our god given task.

 

Long live Islaam!

[bilan]

what is your argument sayid qutb?as you can see there are more ways to get your points across without shedding a single blood.islam did not spread by force,no muslim army ever invaded far east asia,or sub saharan africa,yet majority of muslims come from those areas.salaat walba aadeenkeeda bay leedahay.

[xiinfaniin]

loved@salaat walba aadeenkeeda bay leedahay!

add hoc maahmaah, and creative one at that, i must say.

[NGONGE]

One can’t help but wonder if the people behind these cartoons were Jewish. After all, it stands to reason that such a disgusting act could not be thought up, planned and executed by anyone other than a Jew!

 

Any passer by would think that I made the above up or that I’m unfairly accusing Jews of crimes they’re not responsible for. This is not the case at all. I’m making an educated guess here (a very educated one indeed). Almost all my ‘Islamic’ newspapers, intellectuals and scholars talk about the wickedness of the Jews. The Star of David appears in more Arabic newspapers than Western or Jewish ones! We know all their tricks and manners.

 

Jews today don’t follow the correct faith. Christians diluted their own. We, as Muslims and being the only followers of the true faith, are not obliged to respect either. When we insult them, we insult infidels, non-believers, and filth.

 

Now, these Jews have dared to make a few demeaning drawings of my prophet! How dare they? How dare they? How dare they?

 

I agree with the boycott. It shall go with the all the other boycotts we had in the past and will rub the noses of these Jews in the mud. Have they not seen the riots and protests we’ve had when it was reported that a couple of American soldiers desecrated our holy book? Have these Danish Jews never learned from our Boycott back then?

Did they not learn from our protests and Fatwa about Rushdie? Did the killing of Van Gogh not scare them?

 

Well, and to be serious for a moment, NO, I don’t think they’ve learned or cared about the previous protests of Muslims nor do I think that such protests will stop future insults against Islam (also, for the hard of reading, I’m not very serious about the Jewish conspiracy above).

 

What’s to be done then? Panic and riot every few months because some pointless western newspaper/individual had published some petty (in the sense that its author is a nonentity) nonsense about Islam?

 

I’m not too bothered with the ideas of those that don’t share the same faith as me. Their attempts to offend or gain publicity by attacking my faith should not move me or (move) any other Muslim. It is, after all, our protests that made Rushdie a millionaire. And here too, if this newspaper was clever enough, it would have copyrighted the drawings and earned a handsome sum from selling it to the world media. It’s very likely that everyone (including indignant Muslims) will want to see the drawings that caused all of this! Who then, says ‘crime’ doesn’t pay?

 

What’s really worth a discussion here is the actual reason for these drawings (or at least the ideas that this newspaper alleged were the reasons for the drawings). This takes us a full circle and brings us back to a topic we had here months ago. One’s right to offend! How far does it go and should it take priority over everything else?

 

I say it should. Let the Danes insult our prophet. Be offended, get angry and curse them until you go blue in the face but do NOT demand that they be censored or insist on an apology. For as long as they are free to offend and insult, we too are free to offend and insult. As long as Danish journalists are able to write offensive articles about Islam (or any other faith), Muslim journalists, scholars and presidents (see the Iranian jewel) can also do the same. To complain about religious hatred and try to argue and dissect these points will only lead us to the dark alleyways of questioning our own faith, holy book and revelation. For if we don’t accept insults from the Jews and Christians, why are we reciting verses from our Holy Book that talk about how bad both groups are? Does not respect go both ways?

 

You see, the question here would not be one about errors in the Koran because, as Muslims, we can’t question the validity and correctness of our Holy Book. The question then, is likely to be one to do with application. It’s either that we are applying those verses in the Koran wrongly when talking about Jews and Christians, or, we are applying them correctly. If we are applying them wrongly, we need to study this area and find out the correct way. If on the other hand, we were applying them correctly, then our sense of fairness and justice (and our logic) would dictate that we should expect, accept and take on board any insults and criticisms the Jews, infidels and Christians would direct our way. Any other reaction would be extremely, utterly and hypocritically obtuse.

[SeeKer]

^^^^This suddenly became an interesting thread

[Castro]

^ Indeed. I am wondering, however, if good Ngonge would kindly remind me of a time, or place, a muslim publication insulted the prophets or the gods of any religion. Sure we tear into the flesh of the followers. I believe that's fair game as Ngonge so eloquently mentioned. But there's a line that's been crossed saaxib. And unfortunately, its one muslims cannot not and will not reciprocate in kind.

[NGONGE]

Originally posted by Castro:

^ Indeed. I am wondering, however, if good Ngonge would kindly remind me of a time, or place, a muslim publication insulted the prophets or the gods of any religion. Sure we tear into the flesh of the followers. I believe that's fair game as Ngonge so eloquently mentioned. But there's a line that's been crossed saaxib. And unfortunately, its one muslims cannot not and will not reciprocate in kind.

Only because our faith does not allow us to, saaxib. And even then, that’s applied to divine faiths only. All the others are fair game. I would imagine that the Muslims in India DO OFTEN reciprocate the insults they receive from the Hindus and Sikhs?

 

Still, the issue is one about the supposed line that has been crossed. You’re implying that this is the first time this line has been crossed, saaxib! I can’t, for the life of me, understand why you would imply such a ludicrous idea. However, it is possible that I misread you and that your meaning differs from what I understood.

 

I’ve got to admit that this ‘line’ description has crept up a few times now. I’d love to know who set up that line and how long has it been in place? What, in other words, stops a non-believer from saying that Islam and Muslims (and that sadly would include our prophet too) are such and such and such (fill in your own defamatory phrases here)?

 

I see no reason for one to be ‘loyal’ to a ‘team’ he/she does not belong to. Yes there are etiquettes and decent practices but these, sadly again, are not compulsory (unless the non-believer lives in Muslim lands).

[Viking]

Folkeparti has really had a negative impact on the Danish people. This is what Denmarks 'Danish People's Party' (Folkeparti) campaign posters looked like a few years ago...

 

“When she retires, Muslims will be a majority in Denmark.â€

The Danish People’s Party. Because

we’re taking the future seriously.

 

 

 

"Denmark's future - your country, your choice!"

[Modesty]

I just read that a French magazine has reprinted the offensive cartoons. I knew the God damned French would join in as they are the flag carriers of Islamophobia in Europe. Walahi, the prophet Muhammad (saw) said that there will come a time when my ummah will be so numerous yet like the foam in the sea, meaning weightless. Even in the UK sikhs and jews get protection of their religion under the law, however, that doesn't apply to muslims. It saddens my heart to see how the prophet Muhammad(saw)is being insulted in public while muslims are all over the world, and yet when we protest another group or country wages an attack on Islam. I read somewhere that Malcolm X wrote sadness doens't make changes, anger makes a person change their situation. I am trying to remember now that Allah has promised victory to muslims, and that one day muslims will get their rightful respect in the world.

No matter what war they wage against us, Islam is hear to stay, Islam is the light of the world, and insha'Allah Islam will brighten the whole world one day.

[Castro]

^ Breath slowly atheer. Calm down.

 

Originally posted by NGONGE:

Still, the issue is one about the supposed line that has been crossed. You’re implying that this is the first time this line has been crossed, saaxib! I can’t, for the life of me, understand why you would imply such a ludicrous idea.

The line of which I speak, good Ngonge, is one that demarcates faith from followers. There's an unwritten rule that the faith of a people is beyond ridicule (at least publicly). In the matter of Quran flushing, that was a breach. And so is this. This is not the first time, you are correct, but this is the levies being overrun. The beginning of full breach, if you will.

 

It is no accident that the theme of terrorism would be central in the cartoons. In fact, that was the whole point of the bloody drawings. What the paper is saying, and many around the world agree with, is that Islam is a faith entrenched in terrorism. It's one thing to accuse Muslims of being terrorists but a whole other ball game to suggest, nay insist, the faith itself is the handbook for roadside or turban bombs. This was a political statement that echoes (and cements) the current climate of intolerance and bigotry that the so-called "free" world is suffering from.

 

"Etiquettes and decent practices" are not compulsory, until that is, you mention certain events that occured between 1933-45. I'm approaching this issue pragmatically, good Ngonge, and with that in mind, I'm putting things in the larger context of the "war on terror", the xenophobia and immigrant bashing in Europe and other major events occuring nowadays. These cartoons were not drawn in vaccuum saaxib. They're part and parcel of a real, overt and consistent attack on all that is Muslim, Arab, African, poor or all of the above.

[Modesty]

Castro,I'm actually calm, as I'm used to seeing all this propaganda in the media :rolleyes:

[Modesty]

However, I'm not calm over the insult to our prophet!I will never be calm about such attacks against the Nabi.

[Socod_badne]

Sharmarkee:

Your Liberal Attitude is working well, keep up the good work mate

 

Mate, I aint Liberal. I'm Liberian.

 

 

Originally posted by ThePoint:

Of course mocking the Prophet makes you anti-Islamic.

 

 

No, that is what YOU think. It's not universally shared view or one that can be supported by arguementation without being highly subjective. How do you go about showing an attack on a religion's prophet is attack on the religion itself without also showing the link is weak? After all, it is a accomplished fact that one can make anti-Islamic remarks without attacking our prophet (scw). It's done all the time and you rarely hear anyone accusing the Islam critic of mocking Mohammed (scw).

 

 

I understand and sympathise with your view. If these cartoons were indeed anti-Islamic, it would morally and legally compel the Danish government to intervene since there are laws in the books against religious bigotry. That is what we (muslims) all wish. Sadly, it is only a wish and not reality. And we shouldn't let our disappointment sully our judgements as it already has done.

 

Some are likening these cartoons to acts like the Holocaust denial despite that being akin to comparing apples and oranges. Asking, "why is Holocaust denial a crime but not mocking Mohammed (scw)?" While ignoring the Holocaust happened to a PEOPLE, the jews. Denying it, although I don't think should be criminal act, is minimizing the suffering of a people. Hence, questioning the tolerance they get today. An approperiate comparison would be denying the Srebrenica massacre.

 

As I said earlier, in the West religious leaders, politicos, celebrities are fair game for comedians and satirical cartoonists. Most important historical figures have been mocked, satirized... no major exceptions. Not for important religious leaders for sure. Why should us muslims be given special right not extended to other religions?

 

 

That's lovely but no religion is like Islam - it is unto its own. So just because others were mocked means diddly...

It means everything! You think Islam is special but others don't share that view with you. Why should your religion -- Islam -- be considered any more special then all the other 1001 religions practiced in the West?

[Socod_badne]

Originally posted by Say(y)id Qutb:

If Islaam isn't a religion of the "sword and bloodshed", how come that Islaam has spread so far?

 

Ok, I'm assuming you believe Islam wasn't spread by the sword, right?

 

Then you write this:

 

Let's return to the sword inshallah. I am not advocating for killing innocent people but I know that without the "sword" we will not be able to spread the risaalah (message) of al-Islaam.

 

 

Like to explain this apparent self-contradiction.