Modesty Posted January 30, 2006 CW, I think the opposite, I believe if muslims don't take action the best way they can, more people will start thinking they can insult us like that. No one has the right to insult our beloved prophet, he was the best creation of this ummah. We as muslims must defend our prophet Muhammad(saw)and I think Saudi Arabia and other arab countries have done a great job in taking the first step of boycotting Danish products since the Danish gov't refuses to stop this hate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
N.O.R.F Posted January 30, 2006 http://www.petitiononline.com/Eagle999/petition.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dhubad. Posted January 30, 2006 If we don't take an action everyone will insult Islam and our Prophet(SAW). Why can we not defend our Prophet or our religion just like the jewish. You all seen how they defend anyone who dares to reject the holocaust or says something about their faith. So I don't see any problem if Muslims protest or boycott Danish products.! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Khayr Posted January 30, 2006 Originally posted by Curling Waterfall: Why? From Surat at-toubah: "And if you ask them, they will surely say, 'We were only conversing and playing.' Say: 'Is it Allah and His verses and His Messenger that you were mocking?' Make no excuse; you have disbelieved [i.e. rejected faith] after your belief." [9:65-66]. So to disregard the prophet as a Muslim would be to reject the faith. Now its understandable why you’re offended as a Muslim. But these publicity stunts are nothing short of media tricks and by being offended, we are serving their purpose. We have to be smart about it now. I guarantee you these cartoons wouldnt have seen the light of day if we didnt care. Secondly, the above verse or sharia doesn’t apply to non-muslims. So why give? Non-Muslims have mocked, degraded and insulted Muslims and Islam throughout history. It hardly matters. [/QB] CW, or shall I call you ALLAMA CW Walaal, what are u implying here- That a nonmuslim has a FREE TICKET to INSULT the RASUL (sallahu calihe wasilm)... I am a little confused :confused: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-Serenity- Posted January 30, 2006 Kheyr, dadku dunida waxay ku wada joogaan respect. As far as I know, non muslims are not obliged to revere or respect our values and us theirs... but we do it regardless to maintain peaceful ties and economic cooperation. Now, if it was done on Muslim lands, I blv it would have been different. But its in Denmark! These gaalo constantly insult Islam ALL THE TIME and have done so in the past. This isnt the 1st instance I've heard of... there r countless of these istubidh instances. Whats really funny is that, having seen the cartoons, they epitomise how non-muslims view Islam - the misconceptions, the fears and their prejudices. It hardly has anything to do with the prophet scw himself. Anyways, I went and signed the petition. I'm all for the boycott as the govt should take action and respect their minory population's beliefs. My point was that we shouldnt care about some !diotic paper showcasing its ignorance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Khayr Posted January 30, 2006 Originally posted by Curling Waterfall: Kheyr , dadku dunida waxay ku wada joogaan respect . As far as I know, non muslims are not obliged to revere or respect our values and us theirs... but we do it regardless to maintain peaceful ties and economic cooperation. Now, if it was done on Muslim lands, I blv it would have been different. But its in Denmark! These gaalo constantly insult Islam ALL THE TIME and have done so in the past. This isnt the 1st instance I've heard of... there r countless of these istubidh instances. Whats really funny is that, having seen the cartoons, they epitomise how non-muslims view Islam - the misconceptions, the fears and their prejudices. It hardly has anything to do with the prophet scw himself. Anyways, I went and signed the petition. I'm all for the boycott as the govt should take action and respect their minory population's beliefs. My point was that we shouldnt care about some !diotic paper showcasing its ignorance. dadku dunida waxay ku wada joogaan respect . I don't agree, it comes down to Power and FEAR of ECONOMIC OPPRESSION. i.e. You cuss off the boss for them saying something wrong against your religion, you can get fired....meaning no caano iyo roodi to bring back to the family. b]maintain peaceful ties and economic cooperation. [/b] We do it b/c as muslims, we try to follow the prophetic sunnans (ways) and we have a shariah that tells us as to whom or what to RESPECT Now, if it was done on Muslim lands, I blv it would have been different. But its in Denmark! These gaalo constantly insult Islam ALL THE TIME and have done so in the past. This isnt the 1st instance I've heard of... there r countless of these istubidh instances. Whats really funny is that, having seen the cartoons, they epitomise how non-muslims view Islam - the misconceptions, the fears and their prejudices. It hardly has anything to do with the prophet scw himself. Maybe the following article will help clear it up By JAN M. OLSEN Associated Press Writer The Associated Press COPENHAGEN, Denmark Jan 27, 2006 — Denmark's main industry organization, fearing a loss of business in the Muslim world, sought to distance itself Friday from a newspaper that published contentious drawings of Islam's Prophet Muhammad. The Confederation of Danish Industries urged Jyllands-Posten to explain its decision to publish the cartoons on Sept. 30 last year. "Time has come for Jyllands-Posten to use its freedom of speech to explain how it views the fact that the paper's Muhammad drawings have offended large groups of people," the group's head, Hans Skov Christensen, wrote in a letter to the daily. The caricatures have sparked a wave of denunciations across the Islamic world and from Muslim leaders in Denmark. Islamic tradition bars any depiction of the prophet, even respectful ones, out of concern that such images could lead to idolatry. In Iraq on Friday, thousands of people condemned the caricatures during weekly prayer services and demanded legal action be taken against the newspaper. Skov Christensen said Danish companies faced repercussions this week from customers in the Middle East, including product boycotts, dropped orders, and canceled business meetings. The confederation claims the Middle East accounts for annual sales of at least $816 million for Danish companies. Danish-based Arla Foods, Europe's largest dairy group, said it had noted sales dropping in Saudi Arabia because of protests over the drawings. "We are sorry if Muslims have been offended in their faith. It was not the intention," Carsten Juste, Jyllands-Posten's editor in chief, told The Associated Press. "What we did, we did within the constitution, the Danish penal code and international conventions." The paper says it invited illustrators to depict the prophet to challenge what it perceived was a tendency of self-censorship among artists dealing with issues related to Islam. One drawing showed Muhammad wearing a turban shaped as a bomb; another portrayed him with a bushy gray beard and holding a sword; and a third pictured a middle-aged prophet standing in the desert with a walking stick in front of a donkey. SOURCE It was a Pre-planned effort to MOCK islam and ISLAMIC SYMBOLS to test FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION and show to others, that it can be done. That it is OK to INSULT ISLAM and ISLAMIC SYMBOLS. So if some SWIFT ACTIONS to reprimand them are not taken, then they would win. By the way, this was first published in Sept., 2005 and republished last week, to piss off MUSLIMS. The story goes that there were authors that wanted to publish their writings against islam but no Danish publisher would take them on for fear of retaliation from muslims. So, the danish paper came in and did the competition to say that Freedom of Expression is a higher IDEAL to persue then RESPECT for others. So do you still believe that nonmuslims can not commit blasphemy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Khayr Posted January 30, 2006 Danish cartoons stir Islamic anger Scandanavians face mounting unrest over newspaper caricatures Jan. 30, 2006. 11:51 AM DONNA ABU-NASR ASSOCIATED PRESS BEIRUT - The controversy over Danish caricatures of Prophet Muhammad escalated Monday as gunmen seized a European Union office in Gaza and Muslims appealed for a trade boycott of Danish products. Denmark called for its citizens in the Middle East to exercise vigilance. Denmark-based Arla Foods, which has been the target of a widespread boycott in the Middle East, reported that two of its employees in Saudi Arabia were beaten by angry customers. Aid groups, meanwhile, pulled workers out of Gaza, citing the threat of hostilities. The 12 drawings — published in a Danish newspaper in September and in a Norwegian paper this month — included an image of the Prophet wearing a turban shaped like a bomb with a burning fuse. Islamic tradition bars any depiction of the Prophet, even respectful ones, out of concern that such images could lead to idolatry. Danish government officials have expressed regret over the furor but have refused to get involved, citing freedom of expression. The Jyllands-Posten newspaper has refused to apologize for publishing the drawings and has said it did not mean to insult Islam. Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen briefed European Union colleagues about the matter Monday. He has repeatedly rejected calls to intervene. But Arla Foods' executive director urged the Danish government to take action. "Freedom of expression is an internal Danish issue but this has a totally different dimension," Peder Tuborgh said. "This is about Denmark having offended millions of Muslims." Villy Soevndal, leader of the small opposition Socialist People's Party, said Denmark "cannot be a country where the prime minister goes into hiding while Denmark loses export money, Danish citizens are being threatened and Danish flags burned." In Gaza, masked gunmen briefly took over an office used by the EU, demanding an apology from Denmark and Norway. The gunmen said citizens of the two countries would be prevented from entering the Gaza Strip. No one was hurt. The Danish Red Cross said it was evacuating two employees from Gaza and one from Yemen. "There have been concrete threats against our employees. The fact that they are Danish nationals has made the difference," Danish Red Cross spokesman Anders Ladekarl said. The Norwegian People's Aid group also said it was withdrawing its two Norwegian representatives in Gaza but that operations would be maintained by local staff. In a statement issued Sunday evening on its website, the Foreign Ministry called for Danes in the Middle East to be cautious. In Iraq, a roadside bomb targeted a joint Danish-Iraqi patrol near the southern city of Basra on Monday, wounding one Iraqi policeman, military officials said. The attack was the first involving Danish troops since the protests flared. Arabs and Muslims are calling for a boycott of Danish foods, including popular cream cheese, butter and cookie brands. Arla said the boycott of its products in the Middle East is almost total. "Sales have come to a standstill in almost all markets," said product division manager Jens Refslund. Arla Foods has $430 million (U.S.) in annual sales in the Middle East and about 1,000 employees in the region. Saudi Arabia, which has recalled its ambassador to Denmark, was warned by the EU trade commissioner that the 25-country bloc would take action with the World Trade Organization if the kingdom supported a Danish boycott, the European Commission said Monday. Libya on Sunday said it was closing its embassy in Denmark. Mohammed Al Dhaheri, United Arab Emirates' minister of justice and Islamic affairs, said publishing the "blasphemous" cartoons was "disgusting and irresponsible," according to comments released Monday by the official WAM news agency. "This is cultural terrorism, not freedom of expression. The repercussions of such irresponsible acts will have adverse impact on international relations." In Pakistan, Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Tasnim Aslam said the government is "engaged with the Danish government" over the cartoon publication. She said Pakistan hopes the Danish government would "try to resolve this issue because you cannot hurt the sentiments of billions of Muslims in the name of freedom of press." Source Looks like the Boycott is working because DANISH companies are pressuring their government to do something...Alhamdulillah Its nice to see the Ummah united on an issue! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Modesty Posted January 30, 2006 What's most astonishing is that if it was Jews who were insulted like this, the Danish gov't would have done more to stop this. There is this double standard, and hopefully this boycott will be successfully, we must defend the honour of our Prophet Muhammad (saw), we love him more then ourselves! Subhan Allah, even Bill Clinton called the cartoons appalling, and that it was similiar to nazist racism against the jews. Imagine a non-muslim president saying this, what about us? Of course we are offended...I'm seething with anger walaahi ateem! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paragon Posted January 30, 2006 CW, I guess you are trying to make sense of this wide-ranging reaction that seems hyperbolic, but that noted, shouldn't you labour on 'why' all these people have resorted to this reaction? What is fuelling their anger toward the 'idiotic' cartoons? What I think you have not been told is the weight of 'imaging' the prophet (pbuh) carries, or the implications such imaging has on impressionable Muslim individuals. You must know that this is far more important than just reacting against an insult toward Islam or the prophet (pbuh). In the history of Islam, there has never been a drawn 'image' of the prophet (pbuh). The act of imaging him, even as an offensive carricature, has the potential to lead to an actual painting of him (by possibly unknowledgable Muslims), which may in turn lead to 'idolizing' the image. That happening, more than anything else, is the most damaging effect. For that reason alone, when populations of Muslims protest against such things, it only reflects the significance of the offending images. Those who wish to insult us are on a testing session now. They have tried demonizing the Muslim mass in their media previously, and when we didn't react and we have ignored it, they have moved a ladder up their testing attacks. Now it is our Prophet (pbuh), and tommorrow? You take a guess. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
N.O.R.F Posted January 30, 2006 Its nice to see the Ummah united on an issue! and long may it continue insha allah Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sheherazade Posted January 30, 2006 Big, Bold, Red Font- I used to joke about that once upon a time. One doesn't have to scream to get a point across, often the opposite is more effective. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paragon Posted January 30, 2006 ^^ You opted to comment on the commentor and not the message? The font rather than the offence bothers you more I guess. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Modesty Posted January 30, 2006 I just heard of this joke. After the boycott, many of the Danish companies didn't know what to do with all that food, so they threw it in the ocean, then the fish threw it out saying they were also boycotting Danish products ! lol! SubhanAllah,the honour of the prophet is so great Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Valenteenah. Posted January 30, 2006 The Danes are known for their racist attitudes. Seems like Islamophobia can be added to the list now. What about Apple Danish? It's not made in Denmark (my local bakery rather), but its the only Danish thing I know. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites