Modesty Posted January 29, 2006 As we all know by now, the Jylland-Posten which is a major newspaper in Denmark as published 12 drawings depicting the Nabi Muhammad (saw) as a terrorist, and to this day the Danish gov't refused to stop this, this is not freedom of speech, this is hate against the more than 1 billion muslims around the world. We have to take action brothers and sisters, especially the muslims who live in the west. More than 50 companies in Kuwait have already stopped buying Danish products. Here is the link of their products to boycott: Danish Products to Boycott!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Modesty Posted January 29, 2006 I meant especially the muslims who live in the east! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sayyid Posted January 29, 2006 A boycott is good but we need more drastic actions like cutting the diplomatic ties with the danish and the recalling of all muslim states ambassadors from Copenhagen. Also an absolute trade boycott on existing trade deals (it doesn't matter how lucrative they are)and the deportation of all danish expats and workers from all muslim countries and the threat of military invasion should be also considered. The prophet peace be upon him must be defended at all times from the vicious and unfound attacks against his pure personality. May the enemises of the prophet and islam perish and die an horrible death! Ameen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blessed Posted January 29, 2006 JZK Modesty, Originally posted by Say(y)id Qutb: we need more drastic actions like cutting the diplomatic ties with the danish and the recalling of all muslim states ambassadors from Copenhagen. Also an absolute trade boycott on existing trade deals (it doesn't matter how lucrative they are)and the deportation of all danish expats and workers from all muslim countries and the threat of military invasion should be also considered. That's a little OTT. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-Serenity- Posted January 29, 2006 If it wasn't for the angry-mob looking for something to get offended about, some cartoons at the back of a sleazy Dannish paper would hardly have mattered. Oh Allah, give the muslims some common sense! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Modesty Posted January 29, 2006 CW, what do you mean by "angry mob", muslims are a minority in Denmark, and they have insulted the prophet Muhammad (saw)..are you saying that isn't something to get mad over? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-Serenity- Posted January 29, 2006 I'm saying its something to ignore. The more attention these cartoons get, the more people see it and the more people will do similar stuff to get attention. Thats what its all about, innit? Anyways, I keep reading that its blasphemy everywhere. How in the world does blasphemy apply to non-muslims? :rolleyes: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sayyid Posted January 29, 2006 Blessed, sister I don't think that it was a little bit over the top that's my reaction/suggestion I'm talking about! You yourself would defend your integrity if someone would call you something vile and holy unappriopriate. Image and reputation isn't to be taken as fun. I could imagine you would defend yourself if attacked, then what do you say about defending the honour of the prophet. The prophet has more rights than you and you should love him more than yourself (ego), and both of your parents. Less significant things have been fought over and I personally can't think of anything more important than going to war to defend the last prophets honour and integrity other than going to Jihaad to uphold Allaahs word and to make it the highest. ------------ CW, walaal I always thought CW stood for collective wisdom but you have certainly disappointed me. You would die defending the integrity of yours and that of the people who you love and are close to you and to suggest that it's a mere "angry mob" looking to be offened is scandalous. The prophet is bigger than us and our ego's, he also deserves to be honoured and defended! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-Serenity- Posted January 29, 2006 Originally posted by Say(y)id Qutb: You would die defending the integrity of yours and that of the people who you love and are close to you and to suggest that it's a mere "angry mob" looking to be offened is scandalous. Sayyid, I would. But because I'm a Muslim. Why? From Surat at-toubah: "And if you ask them, they will surely say, 'We were only conversing and playing.' Say: 'Is it Allah and His verses and His Messenger that you were mocking?' Make no excuse; you have disbelieved [i.e. rejected faith] after your belief." [9:65-66]. So to disregard the prophet as a Muslim would be to reject the faith. Now its understandable why you’re offended as a Muslim. But these publicity stunts are nothing short of media tricks and by being offended, we are serving their purpose. We have to be smart about it now. I guarantee you these cartoons wouldnt have seen the light of day if we didnt care. Secondly, the above verse or sharia doesn’t apply to non-muslims. So why give? Non-Muslims have mocked, degraded and insulted Muslims and Islam throughout history. It hardly matters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Urban Posted January 29, 2006 ouch!, why did they add 'Puck' on that list... :mad: ...it was my favourite cheese Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sayyid Posted January 30, 2006 I guarantee you these cartoons wouldnt have seen the light of day if we didnt care. So, walaal what are you suggesting! To abandon our religion and be careless. Yes it is true that non-believers have mocked, degraded and insulted the prophet and muslims but what do you do is the question? No one can get away with insulting the prophet even those you said were "muslims", who do because in my eyes they're no more muslims at the time they insult the prophet because it's an offence that will take them out of the fold of Islaam! The person who insults the prophet needs to be put down and executed even if they repent in this world because it won't be accepted from them in this world, however it is said that it can help them in the hereafter that's if they really repented. In the same matter if an unbeliever does take the action of insulting the prophet, it's a duty on all muslims to defend the honour and integrity of the prophet by killing them and no blood money will be due. Walaal, the ummah went to war with kaafir nations for insulting the prophet and you suggest that we shut up and do nothing about it. You see if we don't act we will be summoned up one day and asked why we did not intervene and protected and defended the prophets integrity, it's a major sin in itself a lack of compassion and care. We should not look away and we should do our upmost best to defend the honour of the prophet and there is nothing more noble to die whilst defending the honour of the prophet except dying for the cause of islaam and to make Allaahs word supreme. This is not a joking matter, walaal! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gabbal Posted January 30, 2006 ^Whoah ninyahow is daji. A gaal's slight to the image of the prophet will do naught but accumalate more nacalat for the said gaal. Taa Alla ka awood roon taa bin Aadanka. How in the world does blasphemy apply to non-muslims? In a sense you are right. However, it is prudent to hit them where it matters most: economically. I say BOYCOTT! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sayyid Posted January 30, 2006 Walaal, ma is dajinayi aniga because it's the prophets reputation we are talking about. You're either compassionate or you don't take any notice! Please tell us what the ruling of our noble religion is in that matter! If someone would insult the prophet in fron of me, I would kill them regardless of any consequences. What would you do if a newspaper would ridicule your whole persona and belittle it in a way that is not accurate? You would sue them, right! Now imagine the last prophet peace be upon him pure persona being ridiculed by a bunch of low life Kaafirs. On one hand you say we should boycott them and on the other hand waxaad leedahay is daji, how come? If it is that serious that you're pro-boycott then obviously there's something wrong. Do you know what blasphemey is? Only because you're an unbeliever doesn't give you an exception from the law of blasphemy because unbelieve and kufr in itself is blashemy! You're taking this matter far too easy and relaxed because you don't understand the implications behind the whole issue, I suppose you educate yourself in that matter and show more compassion and care for the prophet peace be upon him. I can't understand the lack of passion in here, as someone is suggesting to leave the matter alone and not give any attention because other's might copy the action and start of a whole group who are mocking islaam and another person says "take it easy man", it's not a game of baseball we're talking about, it's that you've to get into your mind! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-Serenity- Posted January 30, 2006 Originally posted by Say(y)id Qutb: Do you know what blasphemey is? Only because you're an unbeliever doesn't give you an exception from the law of blasphemy because unbelieve and kufr in itself is blashemy! Precisely. And therefore you cant be blasphemous if ur a non-muslim. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sayyid Posted January 30, 2006 1 – The ruling on one who insults the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) The scholars are unanimously agreed that a Muslim who insults the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) becomes a kaafir and an apostate who is to be executed. This consensus was narrated by more than one of the scholars, such as Imaam Ishaaq ibn Raahawayh, Ibn al-Mundhir, al-Qaadi ‘Iyaad, al-Khattaabi and others. Al-Saarim al-Maslool, 2/13-16 This ruling is indicated by the Qur’aan and Sunnah. In the Qur’aan it says (interpretation of the meaning): “The hypocrites fear lest a Soorah (chapter of the Qur’aan) should be revealed about them, showing them what is in their hearts. Say: ‘(Go ahead and) mock! But certainly Allaah will bring to light all that you fear.’ If you ask them (about this), they declare: ‘We were only talking idly and joking.’ Say: ‘Was it at Allaah, and His Ayaat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) and His Messenger that you were mocking?’ Make no excuse; you disbelieved after you had believed†[al-Tawbah 9:64-66] This verse clearly states that mocking Allaah, His verses and His Messenger constitutes kufr, so that applies even more so to insulting. The verse also indicates that whoever belittles the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is also a kaafir, whether he was serious or joking. With regard to the Sunnah, Abu Dawood (4362) narrated from ‘Ali that a Jewish woman used to insult the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and say bad things about him, so a man strangled her until she died, and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) ruled that no blood money was due in this case. Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said in al-Saarim al-Maslool (1/162): This hadeeth is jayyid, and there is a corroborating report in the hadeeth of Ibn ‘Abbaas which we will quote below. This hadeeth clearly indicates that it was permissible to kill that woman because she used to insult the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Abu Dawood (4361) narrated from Ibn ‘Abbaas that a blind man had a freed concubine (umm walad) who used to insult the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and say bad things about him. He told her not to do that but she did not stop, and he rebuked her but she did not heed him. One night, when she started to say bad things about the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and insult him, he took a short sword or dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it and killed her. The following morning that was mentioned to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). He called the people together and said, “I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right over him that he should stand up.†The blind man stood up and said, “O Messenger of Allaah, I am the one who did it; she used to insult you and say bad things about you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not give up her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was kind to me. Last night she began to insult you and say bad things about you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her.†Thereupon the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Bear witness, there is no blood money due for her.†(Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood, 3655) It seems that this woman was a kaafir, not a Muslim, for a Muslim could never do such an evil action. If she was a Muslim she would have become an apostate by this action, in which case it would not have been permissible for her master to keep her; in that case it would not have been good enough if he were to keep her and simply rebuke her. Al-Nasaa’i narrated (4071) that Abu Barzah al-Aslami said: A man spoke harshly to Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq and I said, ‘Shall I kill him?’ He rebuked me and said, ‘That is not for anyone after the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) .’†(Saheeh al-Nasaa’i, 3795) It may be noted from this that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) had the right to kill whoever insulted him and spoke harshly to him, and that included both Muslims and kaafirs. The second issue is: if a person who insulted the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) repents, should his repentance be accepted or not? The scholars are agreed that if such a person repents sincerely and regrets what he has done, this repentance will benefit him on the Day of Resurrection and Allaah will forgive him. But they differed as to whether his repentance should be accepted in this world and whether that means he is no longer subject to the sentence of execution. Maalik and Ahmad were of the view that it should not be accepted, and that he should be killed even if he has repented. They quoted as evidence the Sunnah and proper understanding of the ahaadeeth: In the Sunnah, Abu Dawood (2683) narrated that Sa’d ibn Abi Waqqaas said: “On the Day of the Conquest of Makkah, the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) granted safety to the people except for four men and two women, and he named them, and Ibn Abi Sarh… As for Ibn Abi Sarh, he hid with ‘Uthmaan ibn ‘Affaan, and when the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) called the people to give their allegiance to him, he brought him to stand before the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). He said, “O Prophet of Allaah, accept the allegiance of ‘Abd-Allaah.†He raised his head and looked at him three times, refusing him, then he accepted his allegiance after the third time. Then he turned to his companions and said: “Was there not among you any smart man who could have got up and killed this person when he saw me refusing to give him my hand and accept his allegiance?†They said, “We do not know what is in your heart, O Messenger of Allaah. Why did you not gesture to us with your eyes?†He said, “It is not befitting for a Prophet to betray a person with a gesture of his eyes.†(Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood, 2334) This clearly indicates that in a case such as this apostate who had insulted the Prophet (S), it is not obligatory to accept his repentance, rather it is permissible to kill him even if he comes repentant. ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Sa’d was one of those who used to write down the Revelation, then he apostatized and claimed that he used to add whatever he wanted to the Revelation. This was a lie and a fabrication against the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and it was a kind of insult. Then he became Muslim again and was a good Muslim, may Allaah be pleased with him. Al-Saarim 115. With regard to proper understanding of the ahaadeeth: They said that insulting the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) has to do with two rights, the right of Allaah and the right of a human being. With regard to the right of Allaah, this is obvious, because it is casting aspersions upon His Message, His Book and His Religion. As for the right of a human being, this is also obvious, because it is like trying to slander the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) by this insult. In a case which involves both the rights of Allaah and the rights of a human being, the rights of the human beings are not dropped when the person repents, as in the case of the punishment for banditry, because if the bandit has killed someone, that means that he must be executed and crucified. But if he repents before he is caught, then the right of Allaah over him, that he should be executed and crucified, no longer applies, but the rights of other humans with regard to qisaas (retaliatory punishment) still stand. The same applies in this case. If the one who insulted the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) repents, then the rights of Allaah no longer apply, but there remains the right of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), which still stand despite his repentance. If it is said, “Can we not forgive him, because during his lifetime the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forgave many of those who had insulted him and he did not execute them?†The answer is: The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sometimes chose to forgive those who had insulted him, and sometimes he ordered that they should be executed, if that served a greater purpose. But now his forgiveness is impossible because he is dead, so the execution of the one who insults him remains the right of Allaah, His Messenger and the believers, and the one who deserves to be executed cannot be let off, so the punishment must be carried out. Al-Saarim al-Maslool, 2/438 Insulting the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is one of the worst of forbidden actions, and it constitutes kufr and apostasy from Islam, according to scholarly consensus, whether done seriously or in jest. The one who does that is to be executed even if he repents and whether he is a Muslim or a kaafir. If he repents sincerely and regrets what he has done, this repentance will benefit him on the Day of Resurrection and Allaah will forgive him. Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) wrote a valuable book on this matter, entitled al-Saarim al-Maslool ‘ala Shaatim al-Rasool which every believer should read, especially in these times when a lot of hypocrites and heretics dare to insult the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) because they see that the Muslims are careless and feel little protective jealousy towards their religion and their Prophet, and they do not implement the shar’i punishment which would deter these people and their ilk from committing this act of blatant kufr. And Allaah knows best. May Allaah send blessings and peace upon our Prophet Muhammad and all his family and companions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
