Somaliland releases Puntland clan melitia captured near Tukaraq

[Dahireeto]

Amigos, I don't understand your argument. What Old Observer said is actually true. Puntlanders have been the most in the SYL freedom movement and resisted colonialism hard. 

Becareful with your revisionist history. You don't know much. 

[Old_Observer]

1 hour ago, Amigos said:

 

You can not be serious. 

Do you know what the source of your text above actually is? (hint: the name of the forum is included in that page you linked to).

If you want to be taken seriously you need to educate yourself on basic things such as sourcing and citations.  

You would get an F if you used that link in a high school paper. 

Simple logic:

How many battles were done between Italy and Somalis until the defeat of the Boqor and also the defeat of the Darawish?

Where were all these battles conducted?

Since there was not TFG or Somalia republic then and the hieghest territorial organizations were Sulatnates with one exception higher than Sultanates the Boqor (Kingdom equivalent to England, Scotland system wise which had government, standing army and navy, tax collectors and government service providers, diplomats...):

Which Sultanates and Boqor fought against Italy?

 

Just those facts will tell you the lay of the land then.

 

No need to fill ones head with 'information' that has no reality and also emotional feelings do not replace real information.

You should separate how you feel about Puntland now at this time and what Puntland's place is in history of the Somali people in the 19th century.

Remember that in all of Africa nobody has such level of governance development as puntland had except the Xabeshi and some North African Tribes or peoples. In all of today's Ethiopia there were only 5 kingdoms at the time and many sultanates.

Not a single Yemen territory had a kingdom at that time.

 

[Old_Observer]

1 hour ago, Dahireeto said:

Amigos, I don't understand your argument. What Old Observer said is actually true. Puntlanders have been the most in the SYL freedom movement and resisted colonialism hard. 

Becareful with your revisionist history. You don't know much. 

I cannot understand why some people feel bad about  something that happened a century ago. Some peoples welcomed colonialism as it came. Some people like Somaliland, Egypt.. tried their best to modify colonialism, some peoples fought it and lost, some peoples tried to play one colonialist against another by siding with different one, like Tanzania tried with Germans and Britain.....

Puntland, Italian Libya, Afrikaners of South Africa...are some of those that went to war against colonizers.

Italian Libya lost and fell totally under colonial rule

Afrikaners lost and totally fell under Colonial rule

Puntland lost, but still managed to salvage some form of autonomous colonialism where Italians could not set camp, administer and commandere villages...everything was limited contact.

 

[Old_Observer]

23 hours ago, Amigos said:

 

 

Listen man, you have demonstrated that you are very ignorant of basics in Somali history. 

I challenge you to provide any sources for your assertions above. Remember, not posts from other online forums, or random pieces of text that you've googled, but actual historical documents, or academic sources supporting your laughable assertions. 

Let me educate you on the history of the Pirates. 

They are known throughout Somali history for not being good fighters. I have been kind enough to show you the chronology of them being salaried vessels of colonial powers, and pointed historical documents for you to research further. I have also linked that history to their embarrassing surrender to Afweyne, SSDF being the only rebel group to actually drop their weapons and beg for forgiveness. 

But you are now actually claiming that they had Kingdoms rivalling those of Yemen.. This is beyond being ahistorical,  beyond being ignorant of Somali history, it is actually a stupid statement to make. 

The pirates were always... pirates. Their entire existence was based not on taxation, nor rule of law as you have falsely claimed, but on ship-pillaging and living of shipwrecks. It was the only place in the Somali peninsula were piracy was institutionalised as a way of life: 

In fact what you call sultanates were nothing more than a dressed-up piracy operation, no sign of any laws, to the point where their clan chiefs were competing on ownership of shipwrecks.. they were basically minor crime families: 

These minor pirate families' pillaging of ships eventually led to European colonial forces using their disgusting acts of piracy as an excuse to claim and exercise control over the Somali coast: 

Educate yourself, it is really a shame that you are ignorant of such basics. You are mad to even try to claim that the pirates fought colonial powers. For goodness' sake you are talking about these people: 

So what if some Indians carried an Englishman, Zulus carry a Dutch, Xabeshi carry a frenchman...

Do you know that in Paris today you can get on a pedaled bicycle and a sweating man can carry you around?

 

You have no answer to:

Where did the Somali fought to prevent Italians Colonialism from setting foot in their homeland?

Answer that and you have your answer.

 

FYI in 1936 the whole East Africa was carrying Italians or British...If you pay me enough and I don't have a bicycle, horse buggy, donkey buggy...U would do it now too. People do it in India everyday.

 

Don't mix decades and centuries just trying to move the goal post.

1936 in East Africa was second world war.

Colonialism was completed around 1920.

 

[Dahireeto]

Amigos, this pictures is British officers in Berbera being carried by Berbera xamaali workers. We should not redicule poor workers earning small money to feed themselves. Don't circulate doctored fake pictures and post articles without references. Give us factual information. Fake news. 

[Suldaanka]

3 hours ago, Dahireeto said:

Amigos, this pictures is British officers in Berbera being carried by Berbera xamaali workers. We should not redicule poor workers earning small money to feed themselves. Don't circulate doctored fake pictures and post articles without references. Give us factual information. Fake news. 

That photo is taken in MJteeniya. There was another picture circulating which says it was taken from Zeila. 

Read below the actual encounter in Berbera.

This particular encounter had set the tone with British engagement in Somaliland. 

 

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Following this adventure, Burton prepared to set out for the interior accompanied by Lieutenant Speke, Lieutenant G. E. Herne and Lieutenant William Stroyan and a number of Africans employed as bearers. However, while the expedition was camped near Berbera, his party was attacked by a group of Somali waranle ("warriors") belonging to Isaaq clan. The officers estimated the number of attackers at 200. In the ensuing fight, Stroyan was killed and Speke was captured and wounded in eleven places before he managed to escape. Burton was impaled with a javelin, the point entering one cheek and exiting the other. This wound left a notable scar that can be easily seen on portraits and photographs. He was forced to make his escape with the weapon still transfixing his head. It was no surprise then that he found the Somalis to be a "fierce and turbulent race".[24] However, the failure of this expedition was viewed harshly by the authorities, and a two-year investigation was set up to determine to what extent Burton was culpable for this disaster. While he was largely cleared of any blame, this did not help his career. He describes the harrowing attack in First Footsteps in East Africa (1856).[25] 

Richard Francis Burton - Wikipedia

EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG

 

 

[Dahireeto]

20 hours ago, Suldaanka said:

That photo is taken in MJteeniya. There was another picture circulating which says it was taken from Zeila. 

lool. Your fear of Puntland and its people is unbelievable!! 

Why not provide solid scholarly proof that this picture was taken in Puntland?  Jeegaan Somalilanders have a history of supporting European colonialism against Somali-born freedom fighers like Sayid Mohamed, Sheik Bashir and others. Other tribes resisted colonial powers but were defeated and subjugated against will. 

Here are some of the Kings of Puntland condemned to jail after they refused to be loyal bootlickers. Show me any of your people arrested for resisting colonial powers.  

See it with your own eyes, King Osman of Puntlandersteinia arrested and brought to Mogadishu by the Italians. 

 

Here is an illustration of the arrest of Sultan Yusuf Kenadid of Hobyo by the Italian colonialists. 

 

How about the Warrsangeli Sultan who refused to do what Jeegaan were happy to do; carry the food for the colonialist. The British caught and exiled this gifted man to a far away island.  

 

[eman yalpsid]

On 6/4/2019 at 5:01 PM, Amigos said:

 

 

Listen man, you have demonstrated that you are very ignorant of basics in Somali history. 

I challenge you to provide any sources for your assertions above. Remember, not posts from other online forums, or random pieces of text that you've googled, but actual historical documents, or academic sources supporting your laughable assertions. 

Let me educate you on the history of the Pirates. 

They are known throughout Somali history for not being good fighters. I have been kind enough to show you the chronology of them being salaried vessels of colonial powers, and pointed historical documents for you to research further. I have also linked that history to their embarrassing surrender to Afweyne, SSDF being the only rebel group to actually drop their weapons and beg for forgiveness. 

But you are now actually claiming that they had Kingdoms rivalling those of Yemen.. This is beyond being ahistorical,  beyond being ignorant of Somali history, it is actually a stupid statement to make. 

The pirates were always... pirates. Their entire existence was based not on taxation, nor rule of law as you have falsely claimed, but on ship-pillaging and living of shipwrecks. It was the only place in the Somali peninsula were piracy was institutionalised as a way of life: 

In fact what you call sultanates were nothing more than a dressed-up piracy operation, no sign of any laws, to the point where their clan chiefs were competing on ownership of shipwrecks.. they were basically minor crime families: 

These minor pirate families' pillaging of ships eventually led to European colonial forces using their disgusting acts of piracy as an excuse to claim and exercise control over the Somali coast: 

Educate yourself, it is really a shame that you are ignorant of such basics. You are mad to even try to claim that the pirates fought colonial powers. For goodness' sake you are talking about these people: 

the font type on the picture was released 1994 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comic_Sans

 

 

[Suldaanka]

12 hours ago, Amigos said:

Its very funny that you've abandoned your pitiful claim that the photograph below was taken in Berbera as soon as you saw that the flag was that of the Italian colonial forces  : 

Beyond the flag, note the the uniform of colonial officer as well as that of his subordinates on the boat and compare to this photograph of Italian colonial forces: 

 

Also, why are you lying and claiming these clan chiefs of yours were arrested for refusing to be colonial bootlicker? They were the quintessential bootlickers and were in fact salaried employees of colonial forces: 

Besides, the photo you are claiming to be of your clan chief says nothing about imprisonment in the original source: 

 

isha ka riday.

 

[Old_Observer]

Colonialism project was completed by the 1920s. The unti-colonial forces everywhere were defeated by then.

 

1936 is war between colonizers, mostly between Italian and British empires, not between colonized or to be colonized Africans and colonizers. Ethiopia by then has been invaded and partly defeated by Italy and occupied just what happened few years later to France by Germans.

 

Pre-1920s and After 1935 has no relation.