Suldaanka Posted May 28, 2019 A bit of history, back in 2005, Somaliland and Puntland exchanged POWs near Abeesalay which falls between Oog and Laas Caanood. Today, POWs are being exchanged near God Qaboobe which is between Tukaraq and Garowe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Suldaanka Posted May 28, 2019 It is a small goodwill gesture, it will go long way diplomatically. Already the UN Secretary general praised it as a good step. You have to play the game differently. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old_Observer Posted May 28, 2019 Both Puntland and Somaliland are really matured. Even fights and wars between them are clean wars when they happen. It makes it easier to forgive and move on. This is the African version of the English and French. Never be too close of brothers, but never be too far of mortal enemies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gooni Posted May 28, 2019 Gardaradooda wax hor istaaga markay waayeen bay ceeb ka dhigeen puntland yaa dagaal na dhex maray! Aad baan uga xumahay in puntland loola dhaqmo sidii gabar lasoo dhibaadiyay oo roob dhex ku helay. Farmaajo dambi uusan gelin in loo labiso aakhirka ramadaan asagay u fiicantahay waana siyaasad naf la caarinimo ka muuqato. Hor ilaahay baan maxaabiis usii daynay iyo nabad jacayl, ayagoon aqoon u lahayn beentu meesha ay ka joogto caqiidada islaamka waa jaahilnimo wayn. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maakhiri1 Posted May 29, 2019 Maxaabiis is dhaafsi, how many Puntland handed over? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maakhiri1 Posted May 29, 2019 22 hours ago, Suldaanka said: A bit of history, back in 2005, Somaliland and Puntland exchanged POWs near Abeesalay which falls between Oog and Laas Caanood. Today, POWs are being exchanged near God Qaboobe which is between Tukaraq and Garowe. Both Taani and Carays don't believe what they are fighting for, yet send young Somalis to their deaths, as this talks going, fighting is going on in Sanaag. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Suldaanka Posted May 29, 2019 4 hours ago, gooni said: Gardaradooda wax hor istaaga markay waayeen bay ceeb ka dhigeen puntland yaa dagaal na dhex maray! Aad baan uga xumahay in puntland loola dhaqmo sidii gabar lasoo dhibaadiyay oo roob dhex ku helay. Farmaajo dambi uusan gelin in loo labiso aakhirka ramadaan asagay u fiicantahay waana siyaasad naf la caarinimo ka muuqato. Hor ilaahay baan maxaabiis usii daynay iyo nabad jacayl, ayagoon aqoon u lahayn beentu meesha ay ka joogto caqiidada islaamka waa jaahilnimo wayn. Sheekh Gooni. Ma wax kale oo ku hadasho ayaa garan wayday. Axaadiista iyo diinta cid walba waa taqaan adiga lagaa dhagaysan maayo. 11 hours ago, Old_Observer said: Even fights and wars between them are clean wars when they happen. This is because Somaliland has forced Puntland to engage in the open fields far away from population centres. This is not something Puntland's clan melitia was cut out for, they are more at home with street fights like they usually have in Gaalkacio where no one really wins at the end of the day but the civilians get the brunt of the destruction. Whereas Somaliland's conventional warfare is something Puntland cannot sustain or have the training or man power for. In the open fields there is nothing to hide under, little tree and definitely no houses or walls to duck under. For Somaliland, with or without war, it has already maintains a large military. It doesn't matter whether in war footing or not, the gov't already has budgetted for a huge military bill. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old_Observer Posted May 29, 2019 12 hours ago, Suldaanka said: Sheekh Gooni. Ma wax kale oo ku hadasho ayaa garan wayday. Axaadiista iyo diinta cid walba waa taqaan adiga lagaa dhagaysan maayo. This is because Somaliland has forced Puntland to engage in the open fields far away from population centres. This is not something Puntland's clan melitia was cut out for, they are more at home with street fights like they usually have in Gaalkacio where no one really wins at the end of the day but the civilians get the brunt of the destruction. Whereas Somaliland's conventional warfare is something Puntland cannot sustain or have the training or man power for. In the open fields there is nothing to hide under, little tree and definitely no houses or walls to duck under. For Somaliland, with or without war, it has already maintains a large military. It doesn't matter whether in war footing or not, the gov't already has budgetted for a huge military bill. There was no greater test for the civilized Puntlanders than 2006 when they went into Mugadishu. Mugadisu had spoken to everyone including the united states that Puntland may do retribution in the South. Everyone was holding their breath. They even proposed to stay outside themselves and di for a couple of days, until somebody was using this arrangement to prepare to attack them, then they went in. That is the ultimate test for anyone even in Europe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old_Observer Posted May 31, 2019 On 5/29/2019 at 10:51 AM, Amigos said: You seem to have bought into the Pirate's cheap propaganda. Ask any Somali and they will tell you, the Pirates can not fight. The reality is that they have to act this way because they have no other options available. Your problem is you are ignorant of Somali history. Forget the never-ending list of battleground defeats by the Pirates' militia at the hands of the Somaliland National Army, forget about the continues line of retreat that started in 2007 and continues to this day with their "tactical" fall-back from Yagoori --> Adhicadeeye --> Lascanood --> Gambadhe --> Tukaraq --> God Qaboobe... Even when the Pirates thought of starting a rebel movement in the late 70s, their SSDF circus lasted only a couple of years and was in fact the only rebel group to actually surrender to Afweyne Is it you or me that has bought into cheap propaganda? You want me to check History, look what I found.: Aren't they the only ones who fought to the end against Italy from all Italian Somalia? Italians were so scared even after all that carpet bombing from ships and some of the Puntland fighters have gone to Ethiopia, the Italians afraid of being ambushed and their soldiers killed one at a time, they brought Africans from Eritrea to do the checking. Italy did not open office or position governors or soldiers in Puntland. Find me any place in Africa or Asia where the colonizer recieves taxes from remote location and cannot have offices and administrators in villages or districts. SSDF: short answer.is Mengistu was an enemy to them, while Mengistu went to such great length to beg and bring Aidiid from India. Every man can fight when has objective or interest worth dying for. What is the strategic interest of Puntland in these border areas? As Eritrea fortune depended on Afar and Tigray so does Somaliland's future relies on Puntland. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cadnaan1 Posted June 1, 2019 On 5/31/2019 at 6:00 AM, Old_Observer said: Is it you or me that has bought into cheap propaganda? You want me to check History, look what I found.: Aren't they the only ones who fought to the end against Italy from all Italian Somalia? Italians were so scared even after all that carpet bombing from ships and some of the Puntland fighters have gone to Ethiopia, the Italians afraid of being ambushed and their soldiers killed one at a time, they brought Africans from Eritrea to do the checking. Italy did not open office or position governors or soldiers in Puntland. Find me any place in Africa or Asia where the colonizer recieves taxes from remote location and cannot have offices and administrators in villages or districts. SSDF: short answer.is Mengistu was an enemy to them, while Mengistu went to such great length to beg and bring Aidiid from India. Every man can fight when has objective or interest worth dying for. What is the strategic interest of Puntland in these border areas? As Eritrea fortune depended on Afar and Tigray so does Somaliland's future relies on Puntland. Ninkan reerka MJ Gabar ayuu ka qabaa aan u malaynayaa amaantooda heer wuxuu gaaray xitaa uu taariikh been ah u sameeyo Xagee talyaani Kula dagaaleen taarikhda lama hayo, actually the opposite ayey sameeyeen oo markii talyaaniga uu kasoo dagi waayey magaaloyinka marka iyo warsheekh wuxuu kasoo dagay Bandar qaasim aka boosaaso. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old_Observer Posted June 3, 2019 On 6/1/2019 at 3:38 AM, cadnaan1 said: Ninkan reerka MJ Gabar ayuu ka qabaa aan u malaynayaa amaantooda heer wuxuu gaaray xitaa uu taariikh been ah u sameeyo lol The Italians actually delayed their operations to get more ships so they can bombard the boats and near by villages from Indian ocean to red sea side at once. And when the fighting was done and the capital fell, the Italians were still to scarred to enter and had to bring Africans/Eritreans to do that for them. https://italosomali.wordpress.com/2014/06/14/italo-somali-war-campaign-of-the-sultanates/ In 1920, the Dervish state collapsed after intensive British aerial bombardments, and Dervish territories were subsequently turned into a protectorate. The dawn of fascism in the early 1920s heralded a change of strategy for Italy, as the north-eastern sultanates were soon to be forced within the boundaries of La Grande Somalia according to the plan of Fascist Italy. Prominent Somali royal houses at the time were the Majeerteen Sultanate ruled by King Osman Mahamuud, which controlled much of northeast and central Somalia; the Warsangali Sultanate ruled by Sultan Mahmoud Ali Shire; and the Sultanate of Hobyo ruled by Sultan Yusuf Ali Kenadid. Given the defeat of the Dervish movement in the early 1920s and the rise of fascism in Europe, on 10 July 1925 Mussolini gave the green light to De Vecchi to start the takeover of the north-eastern sultanates. Everything was to be changed and the treaties abrogated. Coronaro’s survey concluded that the Ismaan Sultanate depended on sea traffic, therefore, if this were blocked any resistance which could be mounted came after the invasion of the sultanate would be minimal. As the first stage of the invasion plan Governor De Vecchi ordered the two Sultanates to disarm. The reaction of both sultanates was to object, as they felt the policy was in breach of the protectorate agreements. The pressure engendered by the new development forced the two rival sultanates to settle their differences over Nugaal possession, and form a united front against their common enemy. There is also a web site with all pictures and documents of the time. Italians consider the resistance in Somalia/Puntland to be the most significant they faced compared to Libya. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Suldaanka Posted June 3, 2019 On 5/29/2019 at 10:14 AM, maakhiri1 said: Maxaabiis is dhaafsi, how many Puntland handed over? Somaliland released 14 Prisoners and Puntland released 3. Total of 17. Here is a report from ICRC which facilitated the handovers. Somaliland/Puntland: 17 detainees released and returned home WWW.ICRC.ORG Seventeen members of the armed forces of Somaliland and Puntland were released and returned home today with the help of the ICRC. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
