Castro Posted February 17, 2006 Executive Summary An air attack on Iran by Israeli or US forces would be aimed at setting back Iran’s nuclear programme by at least five years. A ground offensive by the United States to terminate the regime is not feasible given other commitments in Iraq and Afghanistan, and would not be attempted. An air attack would involve the systematic destruction of research, development, support and training centres for nuclear and missile programmes and the killing of as many technically competent people as possible. A US attack, which would be larger than anything Israel could mount, would also involve comprehensive destruction of Iranian air defence capabilities and attacks designed to pre-empt Iranian retaliation. This would require destruction of Iranian Revolutionary Guard facilities close to Iraq and of regular or irregular naval forces that could disrupt Gulf oil transit routes. Although US or Israeli attacks would severely damage Iranian nuclear and missile programmes, Iran would have many methods of responding in the months and years that followed. These would include disruption of Gulf oil production and exports, in spite of US attempts at pre-emption, systematic support for insurgents in Iraq, and encouragement to associates in Southern Lebanon to stage attacks on Israel. There would be considerable national unity in Iran in the face of military action by the United States or Israel, including a revitalised Revolutionary Guard. One key response from Iran would be a determination to reconstruct a nuclear programme and develop it rapidly into a nuclear weapons capability, with this accompanied by withdrawal from the Non-Proliferation Treaty. This would require further attacks. A military operation against Iran would not, therefore, be a short-term matter but would set in motion a complex and long-lasting confrontation. It follows that military action should be firmly ruled out and alternative strategies developed. Read the entire report here. Incidently, the site is called IranBodyCount.org (like the Iraqi site except this one the count is zero so far.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-Lily- Posted February 17, 2006 Hey I just read parts of that article on the German site Spiegel (german answer to the Economist) half an hour ago. The name of the site 'Iran body count' is disturbing as well as the idea that learned people (in this case scientists) should be targeted and killed. These people want to destroy civalization. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Castro Posted February 17, 2006 ^ A chilling report indeed. And for those of you who don't want the gory details, here's the conclusion of the report: Conclusion A US military attack on Iranian nuclear infrastructure would be the start of a protracted military confrontation that would probably involve Iraq, Israel and Lebanon as well as the United States and Iran, with the possibility of west Gulf states being involved as well. An attack by Israel, although initially on a smaller scale, would almost certainly escalate to involve the United States, and would also mark the start of a protracted conflict. Although an attack by either state could seriously damage Iran’s nuclear development potential, numerous responses would be possible making a protracted and highly unstable conflict virtually certain. Moreover, Iran would be expected to withdraw from the Non-Proliferation Treaty and engage in a nuclear weapons programme as rapidly as possible. This would lead to further military action against Iran, establishing a highly dangerous cycle of violence. The termination of the Saddam Hussein regime was expected to bring about a free-market client state in Iraq. Instead it has produced a deeply unstable and costly conflict with no end in sight. That may not prevent a US or an Israeli attack on Iran even though it should be expected that the consequences would be substantially greater. What this analysis does conclude is that a military response to the current crisis in relations with Iran is a particularly dangerous option and should not be considered further – alternative approaches must be sought, however difficult these may be. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viking Posted February 17, 2006 Castro, This report is very disturbing, but it does not come close to potraying the real effect such an offensive would have on the whole world. The author repeatedly points out to 'Hizbollah' and 'some Iraqi militias', but I think the conflict would spread much further in the region and the aftermath would be far far more truculent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Castro Posted February 17, 2006 ^ Really? I thought they covered the consequences on the region pretty well. At least the tangible effects on neighboring countries and the greater Middle East. They even went as far as showing the involvement China might have with it. Though the latter is a matter for speculation at the moment. It is quite difficult to foretell and quantify just how such a conflict could affect the whole world. The dynamics of it would be played out over years or decades and other than the immediate impact on oil prices, lives lost in the region and the involvement of Muslim nations in the conflict, it is nearly impossible to predict, in my view, what world wide ramifications this will have. Both Iran and the US are in a time crunch. The former is rapidly developing its nuclear capability while the latter is building permanent bases on both sides of Iran. Let's see who reaches the goal line first. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xiinfaniin Posted February 17, 2006 ^^Iran is no match with mighty US when it comes to its sheer military arsenal and logistical reach. The strategy for Iran should not be to compete for reaching the goalpost first, but rather it should be to dismantle the goalpost it self, trample the stadium in which the match is supposed to be held, and mess and roughen the field: ensure no more games are held. What say you, good Castro? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Castro Posted February 17, 2006 ^ Will return with a proper reply later. Though I'm surprised you (the quintessential realist) would resort to such a dreamer analysis. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xiinfaniin Posted February 17, 2006 ^^Castro, think about it saaxiib, from now on vandalism is the name of this new game. The era of diplomacy has long gone. For the US and its allies it’s about ensuring military hegemony and economic exploitation of that region. For Iran it’s about its survival as a nation. I await your analysis. Time has not been my side these days. But this is a very interesting one indeed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jacpher Posted February 17, 2006 Very scary. Start of World War III. Off to read the report. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Castro Posted February 18, 2006 Xiinow, here's the deal. Unless and until there's a client regime in Iran, it will remain a threat to US interests in the region. Furthermore, the lack (or delay) of success in Iraq has given the impression the US is incapable of undertaking other similar endeavors. This perception has resulted in the US worrying its hegemony being threatened and has afforded the likes of Iran and Venezuela the audacity to be more vocal and overtly antagonistic towards it (the US). This climate has put the US between two bitter choices: negotiate with a regime it labels rogue or destroy the regime's nuclear ambitions. The first, as the report accurately states, is becoming increasingly unlikely. Both sides are showing an arrogant posture. Even worse, the US continues its rhetoric about Iran's alleged terror links effectively destroying any hopes of a peaceful resolution. What remains then is the military option. Rememeber, as I said earlier, there is a great race against time as no one really knows how close the Iranians are to a bomb. So, if they are close, as everyone suspects, it is unlikely that even with enough carrots via negotiation they would abandon their efforts. If they're not close, it behooves them to speed up their efforts to build it. Either way, and depending on their determination, the US is "fundamentally" opposed to resistance from anyone in the region. This is a classic impasse that can only end in violence. Yes Iran is weak relative to the US. But Iraq was exponentially weaker than Iran when it was invaded in 2003. And we all know how well that occupation is going. Iran also has nearly three times the population of Iraq and twice the land area. Unlike Iraq, however, the US is not interested in regime change in Iran. As the report states, that lack of interest is a function of the difficulty of such an undertaking. It requires more ground troops than the US has available. What remains then is aerially bomb the sites and facilities suspected of involvement in nuclear research. When that happens, indeed Pandora's box will open. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xiinfaniin Posted February 18, 2006 Castrow, A Pandora's box indeed. America, it now seems, is embarking on a campaign of vandalizing Middle East. She did it to Iraq, and with all likelihood she will do it to Iran. With her blessing Palestinian Authority has been reduced to sheer debris, and hence the subjugation of Palestine prolonged. Your analysis, and the report to some extent, rest under the assumption of America undertaking conventional military intervention. I, however, think that both America and its ally Israel find current international arrangement inadequate and insufficient to meet their needs. They, and whichever European nation they succeed to convince, want to change this. We are, more or less, going back to the law of the jungle. A very cruel world. That however does not mean that America will benefit from such military endeavor. Rather, I think, it will cause more problems for her. These aggression wars are bound to be lost, and so the empire. Reason and dexterity will overcome the brutal ferocity of American hegemony, and we may be witnessing its last throws. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Castro Posted February 18, 2006 ^ I wouldn't mind taking a peek at what's inside that box. Here's an excerpt of an article speaking of when Iran will be bomb-ready. Notice the tone of the article: Iran plans to install 50,000 centrifuges in underground halls at Natanz, Iran. But fewer than half of the 1,140 machines Iran had assembled by 2004 were good enough, the UN nuclear agency has reported. Hinderstein's institute suggests Iran could speed things up to produce enough bomb fuel for one weapon. Even then, the process would take the project into 2009. And, asked Barnaby, "Who do you deter with just one weapon?" Source Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yeniceri Posted February 18, 2006 I didn't read the report - nor do I need to, because its mere speculation and anyone can speculate. However, Iran's nuclear weapons capability status is not the reason the U.S. and Israel are brewing up the fire. Any of these West-based "thinktanks" that produce massive reports about Tehran's nuclear weapons program is only playing into the agenda of Washington and Tel Aviv. The reason the U.S. is particularly interested in dismantling the current Iranian power structure has more to do with protecting the financial security of the U.S. dollar than Tehran posing a security threat to either the U.S. or Israel (Iran, like Saddam's Iraq, is switching from the dollar to the euro in trade). And I also believe an attack on Iran will have far more-reaching consequences than what we can speculate about at the moment. But it'll come down to one thing: the "Clash of Civilizations" - as predicted by an American intellect - will be realized, if the U.S. and Israel continue this tragic push to attack another peaceful Muslim country. p.s. North Korea, India, Pakistan and Israel have nuclear weapons (and all, expect Israel, have proved to the world their nuclear weapons capability). North Korea even revoked its signature from the NPT a couple of years ago. Israel never signed the NPT. Where is the talk of attacking any of these countries? Let's not buy into the "nuclear weapons program" of Iran crap. That's propaganda to scare the American people, so they can, once again, support another GW Bush military misadventure. This time, the stakes are much higher. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Castro Posted February 18, 2006 ^ I'm afraid you're right good Yeniceri. The nuclear threat is but a ruse. As you alluded to, here's real reason the for the upcoming invasion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Castro Posted February 19, 2006 How's this for Orwellian: the US might be considering using nuclear weapons to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons. I don't know whether I should laugh or cry walaahi. WWIII or Bust: Implications of a US Attack on Iran by Heather Wokusch "This notion that the United States is getting ready to attack Iran is simply ridiculous... Having said that, all options are on the table." -- George W. Bush, February 2005 Witnessing the Bush administration’s drive for an attack on Iran is like being a passenger in a car with a raving drunk at the wheel. Reports of impending doom surfaced a year ago, but now it’s official: under orders from Vice President Cheney’s office, the Pentagon has developed “last resort†aerial-assault plans using long-distance B2 bombers and submarine-launched ballistic missiles with both conventional and nuclear weapons. How ironic that the Pentagon proposes using nuclear weapons on the pretext of protecting the world from nuclear weapons. Ironic also that Iran has complied with its obligations under the Non-Proliferation Treaty, allowing inspectors to “go anywhere and see anything,†yet those pushing for an attack, the USA and Israel, have not. The nuclear threat from Iran is hardly urgent. As the Washington Post reported in August 2005, the latest consensus among U.S. intelligence agencies is that “Iran is about a decade away from manufacturing the key ingredient for a nuclear weapon, roughly doubling the previous estimate of five years.†The Institute for Science and International Security estimated that while Iran could have a bomb by 2009 at the earliest, the US intelligence community assumed technical difficulties would cause “significantly delay.†The director of Middle East Studies at Brown University and a specialist in Middle Eastern energy economics both called the State Department’s claims of a proliferation threat from Iran’s Bushehr reactor “demonstrably false,†concluding that “the physical evidence for a nuclear weapons program in Iran simply does not exist.†So there’s no urgency - just a bad case of déjà vu all over again. The Bush administration is recycling its hype over Hussein’s supposed WMD threat into rhetoric about Iran, but look where the charade got us last time: tens of thousands of dead Iraqi civilians, a country teetering on civil war and increased global terrorism. Yet the stakes in Iran are arguably much higher. Consider that many in the US and Iran seek religious salvation through a Middle Eastern blowout. “End times†Christian fundamentalists believe a cataclysmic Armageddon will enable the Messiah to reappear and transport them to heaven, leaving behind Muslims and other non-believers to face plagues and violent death. Iran’s new Shia Islam president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, subscribes to a competing version of the messianic comeback, whereby the skies turn to flames and blood flows in a final showdown of good and evil. The Hidden Imam returns, bringing world peace by establishing Islam as the global religion. Both the US and Iran have presidents who arguably see themselves as divinely chosen and who covet their own country’s apocalypse-seeking fundamentalist voters. And into this tinderbox Bush proposes bringing nuclear weapons. As expected, the usual suspects press for a US attack on Iran. Neo-cons who brought us the “cakewalk†of Iraq want to bomb the country. There’s also Defense Secretary Rumsfeld, busy coordinating the action plan against Iran, who just released the Pentagon’s Quadrennial Defense Review calling for US forces to “operate around the globe†in an infinite “long war.†One can assume Rumsfeld wants to bomb a lot of countries. There’s also Israel, keen that no other country in the region gains access to nuclear weapons. In late 2002, former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said Iran should be targeted “the day after†Iraq was subdued, and Benjamin Netanyahu, leader of the Likud Party, recently warned that if he wins the presidential race in March 2006, Israel will “do what we did in the past against Saddam’s reactor,†an obvious reference to the 1981 bombing of the Osirak nuclear facility in Iraq. It doesn’t help that Iran’s Ahmadinejad has called the Holocaust a myth and said that Israel should be "wiped off the map." In the eyes of the Bush administration, however, Iran’s worst transgression has less to do with nuclear ambitions or anti-Semitism than with the petro-euro oil bourse Tehran is slated to open in March 2006. Iran’s plan to allow oil trading in euros threatens to break the dollar’s monopoly as the global reserve currency, and since the greenback is severely overvalued due to huge trade deficits, the move could be devastating for the US economy. So we remain pedal to the metal with Bush for an attack on Iran. But what if the US does go ahead and launch an assault in the coming months? The Pentagon has already identified 450 strategic targets, some of which are underground and would require the use of nuclear weapons to destroy. What happens then? You can bet that Iran would retaliate. Tehran promised a “crushing response†to any US or Israeli attack, and while the country – ironically - doesn’t possess nuclear weapons to scare off attackers, it does have other options. Iran boasts ground forces estimated at 800,000 personnel, as well as long-range missiles that could hit Israel and possibly even Europe. In addition, much of the world’s oil supply is transported through the Strait of Hormuz, a narrow stretch of ocean which Iran borders to the north. In 1997, Iran’s deputy foreign minister warned that the country might close off that shipping route if ever threatened, and it wouldn’t be difficult. Just a few missiles or gunboats could bring down vessels and block the Strait, thereby threatening the global oil supply and shooting energy prices into the stratosphere. An attack on Iran would also inflame tensions in the Middle East, especially provoking the Shiite Muslim populations. Considering that Shiites largely run the governments of Iran and Iraq and are a potent force in Saudi Arabia, that doesn’t bode well for calm in the region. It would incite the Lebanese Hezbollah, an ally of Iran’s, potentially sparking increased global terrorism. A Shiite rebellion in Iraq would further endanger US troops and push the country deeper into civil war. Attacking Iran could also tip the scales towards a new geopolitical balance, one in which the US finds itself shut out by Russia, China, Iran, Muslim countries and the many others Bush has managed to piss off during his period in office. Just last month, Russia snubbed Washington by announcing it would go ahead and honor a $700 million contract to arm Iran with surface-to-air missiles, slated to guard Iran’s nuclear facilities. And after being burned when the US-led Coalition Provisional Authority invalidated Hussein-era oil deals, China has snapped up strategic energy contracts across the world, including in Latin America, Canada and Iran. It can be assumed that China will not sit idly by and watch Tehran fall to the Americans. Russia and China have developed strong ties recently, both with each other and with Iran. Each possesses nuclear weapons, and arguably more threatening to the US, each holds large reserves of US dollars which can be dumped in favor of euros. Bush crosses them at his nation’s peril. Yet another danger is that an attack on Iran could set off a global arms race - if the US flaunts the non-proliferation treaty and goes nuclear, there would be little incentive for other countries to abide by global disarmament agreements either. Besides, the Bush administration’s message to its enemies has been very clear: if you possess WMD you’re safe, and if you don’t, you’re fair game. Iraq had no nuclear weapons and was invaded, Iran doesn’t as well and risks attack, yet that other “Axis of Evil†country, North Korea, reportedly does have nuclear weapons and is left alone. It’s also hard to justify striking Iran over its allegedly developing a secret nuclear weapons program, when India and Pakistan (and presumably Israel) did the same thing and remain on good terms with Washington. The most horrific impact of a US assault on Iran, of course, would be the potentially catastrophic number of casualties. The Oxford Research Group predicted that up to 10,000 people would die if the US bombed Iran’s nuclear sites, and that an attack on the Bushehr nuclear reactor could send a radioactive cloud over the Gulf. If the US uses nuclear weapons, such as earth-penetrating “bunker buster†bombs, radioactive fallout would become even more disastrous. Given what’s at stake, few allies, apart from Israel, can be expected to support a US attack on Iran. While Jacques Chirac has blustered about using his nukes defensively, it’s doubtful that France would join an unprovoked assault, and even loyal allies, such as the UK, prefer going through the UN Security Council. Which means the wildcard is Turkey. The nation shares a border with Iran, and according to Noam Chomsky, is heavily supported by the domestic Israeli lobby in Washington, permitting 12% of the Israeli air and tank force to be stationed in its territory. Turkey’s crucial role in an attack on Iran explains why there’s been a spurt of high-level US visitors to Ankara lately, including Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice, FBI Director Robert Mueller and CIA Director Porter Goss. In fact, the German newspaper Der Spiegel reported in December 2005 that Goss had told the Turkish government it would be “informed of any possible air strikes against Iran a few hours before they happened†and that Turkey had been given a "green light" to attack camps of the separatist Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) in Iran “on the day in question.†It’s intriguing that both Valerie Plame (the CIA agent whose identity was leaked to the media after her husband criticized the Bush administration’s pre-invasion intelligence on Iraq) and Sibel Edmonds (the former FBI translator who turned whistleblower) have been linked to exposing intelligence breaches relating to Turkey, including potential nuclear trafficking. And now both women are effectively silenced. While the US public sees the issue of Iran as backburner, it has little eagerness for an attack on Iran at this time. A USA Today/CNN Gallup Poll from early February 2006 found that a full 86% of respondents favored either taking no action or using economic/diplomatic efforts towards Iran for now. Significantly, 69% said they were concerned “that the U.S. will be too quick to use military force in an attempt to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons.†And that begs the question: how can the US public be convinced to enter a potentially ugly and protracted war in Iran? A domestic terrorist attack would do the trick. Just consider how long Congress went back and forth over reauthorizing Bush’s Patriot Act, but how quickly opposing senators capitulated following last week’s nerve-agent scare in a Senate building. The scare turned out to be a false alarm, but the Patriot Act got the support it needed. Now consider the fact that former CIA Officer Philip Giraldi has said the Pentagon’s plans to attack Iran were drawn up “to be employed in response to another 9/11-type terrorist attack on the United States.†Writing in The American Conservative in August 2005, Giraldi added, “As in the case of Iraq, the response is not conditional on Iran actually being involved in the act of terrorism directed against the United States.†Chew on that one a minute. The Pentagon’s plan should be used in response to a terrorist attack on the US, yet is not contingent upon Iran actually having been responsible. How outlandish is this scenario: another 9/11 hits the US, the administration says it has secret information implicating Iran, the US population demands retribution and bombs start dropping on Tehran. That’s the worst-case scenario, but even the best case doesn’t look good. Let’s say the Bush administration chooses the UN Security Council over military power in dealing with Iran. That still leaves the proposed oil bourse, along with the economic fallout that will occur if OPEC countries snub the greenback in favor of petro-euros. At the very least, the dollar will drop and inflation could soar, so you’d think the administration would be busy tightening the nation’s collective belt. But no. The US trade deficit reached a record high of $725.8 billion in 2005, and Bush & Co.’s FY 2007 budget proposes increasing deficits by $192 billion over the next five years. The nation is hemorhaging roughly $7 billion a month on military operations in Afghanistan and Iraq, and is expected to hit its debt ceiling of $8.184 trillion next month. So the white-knuckle ride to war continues, with the administration’s goals in Iran very clear. Recklessly naïve and impetuous perhaps, but clear: stop the petro-euro oil bourse, take over Khuzestan Province (which borders Iraq and has 90% of Iran’s oil) and secure the Straits of Hormuz in the process. As US politician Newt Gingrich recently put it, Iranians cannot be trusted with nuclear technology, and they also "cannot be trusted with their oil." But the Bush administration cannot be trusted with foreign policy. Its military adventurism has already proven disastrous across the globe. It’s incumbent upon each of us to do whatever we can to stop this race towards war. Source Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites