Somalia's Education Ministry exam papers ordeal is harbinger for election ballot papers (if ever)

[Suldaanka]

There was a case recently that took place in Mogadishu during the Marathon race event. Apparently, the winner of the race was shuttled on a Mini-van and only took part in the race the last 1km to the finish line. This is the length fraudisters will go to carry out musuqmaasuq.

So the the recent debacle of Somalia's Minsitry of Education was no surprise to me. In fact, it is the norm. The Reer Koonfur are born again fraud masters.

Ilaahay ha igu simo maalin la yidhaa reer Koonfur ayaa doorasho u dareeray. It will be an open season for rigging and fraudisters, like the world has never seen before. Basically the winner of that election will out rig all the other fraud masters. 

 

 

[Dahireeto]

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Ilaahay ha igu simo maalin la yidhaa reer Koonfur ayaa doorasho u dareeray. It will be an open season for rigging and fraudisters, like the world has never seen before. Basically the winner of that election will out rig all the other fraud masters

No doubt It will be ugly.  But the South needs to take the first baby step of holding an election first. We can worry about the quality later. 

[maakhiri1]

Very anarchist,  the idiot who leaked the exam cost gov big

[Tillamook]

^

Hey Smarty pants: What business does the Federal government in Xamar got to do with the administration of local school examinations? When will it finally sink into your thick addled brain that, in a Federal system, duties and responsibilities are clearly delineated and distinguished?

Local policing, health and education all belong within the purview of Somalia’s respective Federal member states. The job of the Federal government— among others, explicitly delegated to it by the Federal Constitution —is to control and protect our national borders, and manage immigration and the national currency.  

In any case, this so-called “leak” is nothing more than a face saving measure by Farmaajo, Kheyre and Goodax Barre.  After their recent troubles with the Federal member states the Farmajo administration has realized  that to foolishly go ahead with this joke of a national exam would only further alienate the Federal member states and so they have opted instead to propose a cockamamie scheme that somehow their exam papers have miraculously turned up at the black market.  Silly fellows, who do they think they are fooling?

 

[gooni]

Sodonkiì sano ee lasoo dhaafay ma jirin arday imtixaan ku dhacay wax barashada soomaaliya waa $  dugsi gaar loo leeyahay oo aan dawlad ku xirnayn waa dukaan macaamiil u baahan.

Mushkiladan waxaa ka dambeeya isbaaraley aragtidayda, waana arrin u fiican ardayda inay helaan imtaxaan dhab ah oo kalsooni geliya.

[Tillamook]

4 hours ago, gooni said:

Sodonkiì sano ee lasoo dhaafay ma jirin arday imtixaan ku dhacay wax barashada soomaaliya waa $  dugsi gaar loo leeyahay oo aan dawlad ku xirnayn waa dukaan macaamiil u baahan.

Mushkiladan waxaa ka dambeeya isbaaraley aragtidayda, waana arrin u fiican ardayda inay helaan imtaxaan dhab ah oo kalsooni geliya.

Gooni, always spewing nonsense and sidestepping the issues at hand.  Sxb, local education and local examinations are local matters. The Federal government has no business meddling with local affairs. Sodonkii sano ee lasoo dhaafay intaa ayaa wali kaa dhaadhici la’.

[gooni]

37 minutes ago, Tillamook said:

Gooni, always spewing nonsense and sidestepping the issues at hand.  Sxb, local education and local examinations are local matters. The Federal government has no business meddling with local affairs. Sodonkii sano ee lasoo dhaafay intaa ayaa wali kaa dhaadhici la’.

What you mean local matters?

Awoowe waan hubaa adiga iyo ardayda imtixaanka laga xaday hadii laydin waydiiyo waa maxay dawlad inaad u jawaabi lahydeen sidii muuse suudi.

Sodonkii sano ee lasoo dhaafay wax barasho macno leh kama jirin soomaaliya waana tan keentay inay la yaabaan imtixaan lagu celiyo.

Waa dukaamo iskood u ganacsada ardayda jaamacadda la geenayo ma haystaan aqoontii dugsiga hoose.

Ma cabiri karo mana garan karo wiil yar oo reer galbeedka jooga aqoontii hore ee somaaliya iyo tan maanta taal farqiga u dhexeeya.

 

[Duufaan]

25 minutes ago, Tillamook said:

Gooni, always spewing nonsense and sidestepping the issues at hand.  Sxb, local education and local examinations are local matters. The Federal government has no business meddling with local affairs. Sodonkii sano ee lasoo dhaafay intaa ayaa wali kaa dhaadhici la’.

Well, there is nothing that is not federal government business. Majority of third world countries, especially in Africa, they have a national exam for high school students, neighboring Kenyan is one of them. A country that has a very good rigid basic education system. The problem in Somalia is not who is responsible for the education system, it is the spread of lawlessness and anarchism. America is the only true federal country in the world and there is nothing that the federal government is not involved. The federal government not only funds the local schools but also sets a broad standard in everything. Exams that states give their students are very much similar because all states must follow the federal guidelines. The idea that each state is gone have their own exams without federal government involvement is nonsense. I am not fun of useless national exam but education is the federal government responsibility and states have their role in implementing the federal government education policy with the freedom of adding their emphasis and priorities. the real issue is not who responsible for the education system but a fight about the small funding that comes from outside.

[Tillamook]

21 hours ago, Duufaan said:

Well, there is nothing that is not federal government business. Majority of third world countries, especially in Africa, they have a national exam for high school students, neighboring Kenyan is one of them. A country that has a very good rigid basic education system. The problem in Somalia is not who is responsible for the education system, it is the spread of lawlessness and anarchism. America is the only true federal country in the world and there is nothing that the federal government is not involved. The federal government not only funds the local schools but also sets a broad standard in everything. Exams that states give their students are very much similar because all states must follow the federal guidelines. The idea that each state is gone have their own exams without federal government involvement is nonsense. I am not fun of useless national exam but education is the federal government responsibility and states have their role in implementing the federal government education policy with the freedom of adding their emphasis and priorities. the real issue is not who responsible for the education system but a fight about the small funding that comes from outside.

I agree that this current brouhaha is nothing more than Goodax trying to pocket the little budgetary support being provided by donors for Education and the Federal Member States asserting their rights to manage education policy locally and insisting that those funds should go to them directly.

I believe the Farmajo administration has decided not to fight this particular battle with the Federal Member States and so you get the made-up lame excuse that the exam papers were stolen and therefore the exams have become null and void.

However, with that being said, allow me to get back to your earlier random assertions and baseless conclusion, which you supported with facts not based in reality. I am not sure where you live but here in the U.S of A, our local property taxes mainly support local schools with the states and Federal government becoming secondary sources for school funding. So I am not sure where you got your facts stating that Washington DC directly funds and manages the affairs of my local school district all the way here in California. It just isn’t so. That, however, does not mean that Federal education policies are completely disregarded. The Feds do have Education standards and Education policies which they would like to promote and back financially . Some States might implement such policies and take funding while others completely disregard them and chart their own Education policies locally. In Either case, Education is ultimately decided by the States.

Lastly, Duufaan,  you have admitted  yourself that national exams are useless. Why blather all sorts of rubbish to justify them then? Schools are a local matter. Period. 

 

[Tillamook]

17 hours ago, gooni said:

What you mean local matters?

Awoowe waan hubaa adiga iyo ardayda imtixaanka laga xaday hadii laydin waydiiyo waa maxay dawlad inaad u jawaabi lahydeen sidii muuse suudi.

Sodonkii sano ee lasoo dhaafay wax barasho macno leh kama jirin soomaaliya waana tan keentay inay la yaabaan imtixaan lagu celiyo.

Waa dukaamo iskood u ganacsada ardayda jaamacadda la geenayo ma haystaan aqoontii dugsiga hoose.

Ma cabiri karo mana garan karo wiil yar oo reer galbeedka jooga aqoontii hore ee somaaliya iyo tan maanta taal farqiga u dhexeeya.

 

Gooni, walaale, ha is oominin. Adigu hadaad rabtid Goodax ilmahaaga inuu wax kuu baro oo imtixaan uu kaaga qaado—walaale xor baad u tahay.

That is  the true beauty of Federalism. Qof waliba ikhyaar buu u leeyahay wuxuu rabo inuu ilmahooda bartaan. For instance, in North Somalia, malin walba qabuuraha ayee inta qodaan bey ardaydooda baraan waa baa faqash na xasuuqay. That is their local history and as such they have every right to teach it locally to their students. Adiguna, skoollada Caabudwaaq iyo Ballanbal ku yaal  hadaad rabtid waxaa ka dhigi kartaa taarikhdii Kacaankii barakaysnaa iyo sida loo gaardiyo. That too is fine. To each his own.

[maakhiri1]

23 hours ago, Tillamook said:

^

Hey Smarty pants: What business does the Federal government in Xamar got to do with the administration of local school examinations? When will it finally sink into your thick addled brain that, in a Federal system, duties and responsibilities are clearly delineated and distinguished?

Local policing, health and education all belong within the purview of Somalia’s respective Federal member states. The job of the Federal government— among others, explicitly delegated to it by the Federal Constitution —is to control and protect our national borders, and manage immigration and the national currency.  

In any case, this so-called “leak” is nothing more than a face saving measure by Farmaajo, Kheyre and Goodax Barre.  After their recent troubles with the Federal member states the Farmajo administration has realized  that to foolishly go ahead with this joke of a national exam would only further alienate the Federal member states and so they have opted instead to propose a cockamamie scheme that somehow their exam papers have miraculously turned up at the black market.  Silly fellows, who do they think they are fooling?

 

Lol, Did you say federal and member States? Weli ma bakhti baad afuufi? Ma quusan? Goorma u danbeeysey, adeer dadkaaga dhinac ka raac.

[Tillamook]

7 hours ago, maakhiri1 said:

Lol, Did you say federal and member States? Weli ma bakhti baad afuufi? Ma quusan? Goorma u danbeeysey, adeer dadkaaga dhinac ka raac.

Lol back at you, Maakhir.

The Somali Federal train is an unstoppable, Hombre. Just make sure it does not run your rear end over like it has many a fellow on SOL who no longer grace us with their presence.

The destination of this train is a free and democratic Federal Somalia with power  shared vertically between the Federal government and Federal member states( who also have to further devolve power to the district and municipal level), and secondly power being shared horizontally between an elected executive and elected legislature, with an independent judiciary acting as constitutional referees.

[gooni]

Tolmoge

Maxaad u malayn lahayd hadii magaalo somaaliya ku taal habeenkii inta dadku hurdo lagu xiro stoplight'ka gawaarida kala haga oo subixii markay soo toosaan bajaajleyda iyo gaarilaydu indha ku dhuftaan nal sadex loon isu badelaya?

Kow waxa bilaaban lahaa mudaaharaad labo waxa ku xigi lahaa bililaqaysi, aaway sodonka sano aqoonta aad sheegayso xagee ka martay dadkaan iska ordaya?

Sodonka sano qishka waxaa siinayay ardayda ninka iskoolka leh.

Dawladd.

Sharaxeeda saxdaa waa mulkiilaha dalka ilaahay ka sokow

Hadii guryihii la deganaa No lahayn, dadkii magac lahayn, gawaaridii sumad lahayn,wax barashadii manhaj lahayn, daawadii fayo dhawr lahayn, dhakhaatiirtii shahaado lahayn

Soo kama fiicana inaad ku noolaato xadiiqada lacagta lagu daawado oo dal fiican ku dhextaal?

Qof walbaa xor haduu u noqdo inuu wuxuu doono baro ciyaalka wax badan yaa halaabaya sida hadda ka muuqata dalkeenii.

Goodax waa ninkii ugu horeeyay oo imtixaan celiya, inta taariikhda la ogyahay waana iftiin muuqda.

[Tillamook]

1 hour ago, gooni said:

Tolmoge

Maxaad u malayn lahayd hadii magaalo somaaliya ku taal habeenkii inta dadku hurdo lagu xiro stoplight'ka gawaarida kala haga oo subixii markay soo toosaan bajaajleyda iyo gaarilaydu indha ku dhuftaan nal sadex loon isu badelaya?

Kow waxa bilaaban lahaa mudaaharaad labo waxa ku xigi lahaa bililaqaysi, aaway sodonka sano aqoonta aad sheegayso xagee ka martay dadkaan iska ordaya?

Sodonka sano qishka waxaa siinayay ardayda ninka iskoolka leh.

Dawladd.

Sharaxeeda saxdaa waa mulkiilaha dalka ilaahay ka sokow

Hadii guryihii la deganaa No lahayn, dadkii magac lahayn, gawaaridii sumad lahayn,wax barashadii manhaj lahayn, daawadii fayo dhawr lahayn, dhakhaatiirtii shahaado lahayn

Soo kama fiicana inaad ku noolaato xadiiqada lacagta lagu daawado oo dal fiican ku dhextaal?

Qof walbaa xor haduu u noqdo inuu wuxuu doono baro ciyaalka wax badan yaa halaabaya sida hadda ka muuqata dalkeenii.

Goodax waa ninkii ugu horeeyay oo imtixaan celiya, inta taariikhda la ogyahay waana iftiin muuqda.

Saaxiib niicda yaree and kindly stay on topic.

 

 

[Gheelle.T]

Goodax Barre and the federal government want to control the little education funding given to the local state from foreign donors, hence why they were trying to push this national exam fiasco. Education should be local as Tillamook said above and if federal government wants to improve things, just give money to the states without imposing a direct rule on them.

As for US Federal government involvement into country's education, that's also not true. The local counties have that responsibility for all affairs of their local district schools, be it curricula, funding, codes, and etc. They can teach what they want or leave out what don't- as long as it doesn't cross certain guidelines (person's civil rights, hate, and etc).  The only times Federal or state intervenes school district is when schools are failing and the states asks for Federal funding and in this case Federal DOE takes over the school/s.

Saaxiibkeen gooni Kacaankii buu wali ka sabri la'yahay oo wuxuusan ogayn in maanta Soomaali waxbarashadu inta badan ay ka tayo iyo tiro wanaagsan tahay tii Kacaanka. Maanta meel Soomaaliya ku taal oo heer tuula ah oo iskuul ku ool ma jirto. Marka yaan laga qasin riyaddii kacaanka ayaa wali u socota xaajiga.