A bridge that will link up two continents!

[Fiqikhayre]

Ngonge remember we're talking about sums here and to say that 1.000.000.000,00 means a dollar is indeed absurd thing to say if not stu!pid.

 

In finacial terms $1.000.000.000 is a billion not a dollar as you would like us to believe.

 

Remember the following:

 

1.000.000.000 = 1000 millions = 1 billion

 

Understand?

 

$1.000.000.000,00 = 1000 millions = 1 billion.

 

That's the standard. But simpletons like you wouldn't know it.

 

But you raised the point about the style I used to depict my initial sum and your friend Northener raised a point about not being sure if the depicted sum was a billion or a dollar, silly you. Which you btw agreed with him that it was proper and sound thing to raise but I brought you the crucial info you were lacking and told you that:

 

1.000.000.000,00 = 1000 millions = 1 billion in financial terms.

 

If dots or commas are used as decimal separators it wouldn't actually make a difference. So your original protest was in vain.

 

It is used in financial reports as you can see from the table below unless ofcourse you want trouble that is :

 

- Which bonds has Repsol YPF issued in the last few years?

 

 

Repsol YPFs bond issues are as follow:

BONDS ISSUED BY REPSOL INTERNATIONAL FINANCE BV Bond Issue date Maturity Nominal amount Market where it trades REP 7,00% 27/Jul/1995 01/Aug/2005 USD$ 300.000.000,00 Registrados en la S.E.C. REP 7,45% 17/Jul/2000 15/Jul/2005 USD$ 1.250.000.000,00 Registrados en la S.E.C. FRN eur+100 p.b. 28/May/2003 28/May/2006 Eur 150.000.000,00 The Luxembourg Stock Exchange REP 5,75% 04/Dec/2001 04/Dec/2006 Eur 750.000.000,00 The Luxembourg Stock Exchange REP 6,00% 05/May/2000 05/May/2010 Eur 1.000.000.000,00 The Luxembourg Stock Exchange REP 6,00% (*) 21/Jun/2001 05/May/2010 Eur 175.000.000,00 The Luxembourg Stock Exchange REP 5,00% 22/Jul/2003 22/Jul/2013 Eur 1.000.000.000,00 The Luxembourg Stock Exchange REP 4,625% 08/Oct/2004 08/Oct/2014 Eur 1.000.000.000,00 The Luxembourg Stock Exchange (*) The Rep 6,00% bond issue was increased by an additional Eur 100mn and is fungible with the existing Eur 1 billion issue.

 

$1.000.000.000,00

 

and

 

$1,000,000,000.0,

 

have in this sense the same meaning, but you wouldn't know it as the former is a 'dollar' for you.

 

Actually the former is used quite a lot in financial and money terms around the globe like in Wall street and many more markets. They would immidiately recognise that the depicted is a billion but who will make you understand Ngonge?

 

Because you lost it the only way to come back is to raise a point that is quite obvious and not even on contention here. What was on contention was if the depicted sum in my first post was to say a billio or a dollar, which you and your friend were confused about.

 

Give it up adeer, I gave you a master lesson that made you veer and all you could come up with was something trivial that no-body was disputing or denying my friend. You're confused but I shall help you to get out of your confusion inshallah. In finacial and money terms $1.000.000.000,00 means a billion, simple but unfortunately not simple enough for Ngonge and his ilk.

 

Now argue with that if you can, I highly doubt it that you will raise up to the challenge.

[Fiqikhayre]

Sometimes if you discuss to much with people that are not on par with you, one risks tarnishing himself because if you try to make sense with people that are not on your level it actually confuses issues even more. Ngonge is now raising something that is not even on contention in his last post which can be interpreted that he wants to divert and distort the issue but I refuted him again on this matter, simple.

 

Original by MKA: 'Sometimes I don't even know to why I debate with simpletons because if you debate with people that are not on par with you, you risk being hit and dirtied by the mud that is flying in the air in which the ignorant folks like Ngonge dwell and swim in!'

 

Actually I have to raise my brilliant post one more time the last and third time inshallah as I can see some still haven't grasped the important and perfect education I provided them with but I hope as they read, the more they get to know inshallah. There's still hope for the likes of Ngonge in my eyes. One day they shall understand inshallah, even if we have to use the stick or metal bar.

 

By MKA:

 

Let the class and education begin, I ask the intelligent and able crowd in here to bear with me as you can see my post is really long but it should be worth it inshallah at the end of you reading it through as it is really educational and not on par with the rest of the awful posts displayed by some of the simpletons in here.

 

As usual Ngonge is bliding himself from the hard, unforgiving and naked truth. I rather not discuss with him on this issue as I can clearly see that he's not even on my level!

 

It's really getting frustrating to educate the old man every now and then, but as usual I shall point him into the right direction and give him the crucial info he lacks. In short I shall make him

veer

!

 

If we talk about decimal separators the comma and dot are equal to one another. He doesn't even know what a radix point is and now he's included it in his last post.

 

1.000.000.000,00 is a billion in the UK and US.

 

But not in the majority of Europe. In Europe 1.000.000.000.000,00 is a billion!

 

You see I'm going to highlight to the gallery here how confused british people are. Dots and commas are equal and can both be used as decimal separators.

 

For example 1.000.000.000,00 and 1,000,000,000.00 have the same meaning and no-one can dispute it. Dot and comma both are legitimate as decimal separators.

 

I know for sure that Northerner and Cambarro are both from the UK and had a similiar education but Northerner gave us a billion with only 9 zero's whilst Cambarro gave us a billion with 12 zero's.

 

Cambarro wrote: 1,000,000,000,000.00

 

Whilst Northerner wrote: 1,000,000,000

 

Who's right?

 

Northerner uses the new short-wave system of the US which has been adopted by law and used in the financhial services whilst Cambarro uses the old format, which has changed from 12 zero's to 9 zero's and there's no more

milliard

.

 

My dictionary informs me the following:

 

Milliard (dated): U.K. billion: one thousand million, now called a billion. So in the new sense a 'billion' has nine zero's now as well in the UK and not any longer 12 zero's!

 

However in Europe traditionally a 'billion' had 12 zero's.

 

Like this:

 

1.000.000.000.000,00

 

or as Cambarro has wrote it, UK system and US although the US increasingly uses comma's instead of dot's as decimal separators increasinly now as well.

 

1,000,000,000,000.00!

 

So in practise and theory:

 

1.000.000.000.000,00 (In European Billion)

 

1,000,000,000,000.00 (former Billion in the UK)

 

Have/Had the same meaning!

 

However in the new sense:

 

1.000.000.000,00

 

or

 

1,000,000,000.00

 

A 'American' Billion have the same meaning although the written format is different!

 

On the other hand:

 

1.000.000.000.000,00 (European billion)

 

and

 

1,000,000,000.00 (American and UK billion)

Alternatively written:

 

1.000.000.000,00

 

have the same meaning.

 

Confusing heh?

 

Adeer I give you knowledge which you cannot comprehend or understand so please stop the fidgeting will you?

 

Now look at this table below and tell me if the

figures

depicted really do mean one US dollar, will you? I dare you to and the gallery shall be my witness.

 

Or are you saying the table has been written by MKA? Don't make the gallery laugh. Would you mind to interpret the table for us and the depicted

figures

and how they decimal separators are used as commas and the unit separators as dots? Will you raise up to the Challenge, I'll doubt it very hardly.

 

Now come at me and tell me what you think. Lol

You're a loser adeer and quite evident at it as well.

 

 

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- Which bonds has Repsol YPF issued in the last few years?

 

 

Repsol YPFs bond issues are as follow:

BONDS ISSUED BY REPSOL INTERNATIONAL FINANCE BV Bond Issue date Maturity Nominal amount Market where it trades REP 7,00% 27/Jul/1995 01/Aug/2005 USD$ 300.000.000,00 Registrados en la S.E.C. REP 7,45% 17/Jul/2000 15/Jul/2005 USD$ 1.250.000.000,00 Registrados en la S.E.C. FRN eur+100 p.b. 28/May/2003 28/May/2006 Eur 150.000.000,00 The Luxembourg Stock Exchange REP 5,75% 04/Dec/2001 04/Dec/2006 Eur 750.000.000,00 The Luxembourg Stock Exchange REP 6,00% 05/May/2000 05/May/2010 Eur 1.000.000.000,00 The Luxembourg Stock Exchange REP 6,00% (*) 21/Jun/2001 05/May/2010 Eur 175.000.000,00 The Luxembourg Stock Exchange REP 5,00% 22/Jul/2003 22/Jul/2013 Eur 1.000.000.000,00 The Luxembourg Stock Exchange REP 4,625% 08/Oct/2004 08/Oct/2014 Eur 1.000.000.000,00 The Luxembourg Stock Exchange (*) The Rep 6,00% bond issue was increased by an additional Eur 100mn and is fungible with the existing Eur 1 billion issue.

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or altenatively click on here:

 

http://www.bcb.gov.br/htms/relinf/ing/2002/03/ri200203mdi.pdf

 

I can give you many financial reports where the

comma

is used as a

decimal separator

!

 

In Europe they used the comma where as in English speaking countries they use a dot but both can be used.

 

The confusion stems from the british being confused.

 

1.000.000.000,00 (In the sense of American billion)

 

1,000,000,000.00 (UK and US billion)

 

Are indeed the same.

 

Where as in Europe:

 

1.000.000.000.000,00 (In the sense of European billion)

 

and

 

1,000,000,000.00 (In the sense of US and UK billion)

 

Have essentially the same meaning.

 

According to

International system (SI)

both systems are legitimate and right in the sense of being used as

decimal separators

.

 

So therefore the dot and comma are both

equal

and right!

 

Can you argue with that? No, because it's superior knowledge that you cannot aruge or go against, understand?

 

I hope that you've been following my education and from now on all the confusion will cease and let me apologise to the gallery here for the long post but it had to be done and was unavoidable as the uneducated folks needed a lot of explanation and education again!

 

Sometimes I don't even know to why I debate with simpletons because if you debate with people that are not on par with you, you risk being hit and dirtied by the mud that is flying in the air in which the ignorant folks like Ngonge

dwell

and swim in!

[Pujah]

Bridge is feasible but the one million question should be will be it be cost effective. I'm sure there are million and one other ways they can invest that money to better serve the people of those countries.

[NGONGE]

The

confusion

stems from the british being

confused

.

 

1.000.000.000,00

(In the sense of American billion)

 

1,000,000,000.00

(UK and US billion)

 

Are indeed the same.

 

Where as in Europe:

 

1.000.000.000.000,00 (In the sense of European billion)

 

and

 

1,000,000,000.00 (In the sense of US and UK billion)

 

Have essentially the same meaning.

 

According to International system (SI) both systems are legitimate and right in the sense of being used as decimal separators.

 

So therefore the dot and comma are both equal and right!

 

Can you argue with that? No, because it's superior knowledge that you cannot aruge or go against, understand?

 

MK, I think for the benefit of those that just arrived, you might have to repost that reply one more time.

[Pujah]

^you must enjoy torturing our self proclaimed genius.

[NGONGE]

Torture is the last thing on my mind. Besides, mere mortals feel torture not higher beings like our MK here. I'm absolutely positive that rather than being annoyed he is actually relishing this opportunity to educate us all. He is one of a kind and I personally thank god for that fact. Then again, strike that! He's not, he's just a newer, faster, more diverse and entertaining version of Allah-U-Bahane.

[Fiqikhayre]

^It’s really simple in financial and money terms $1.000.000.000,00 indeed means one billion US-Dollars.

 

That’s what our friend Ngonge wrote a while back ago:

 

Originally by Ngonge: Northerner was correct in asking you if what you wrote meant $1.00 (note the place of the radix point).

However I quite rightly pointed out to him, that he was mistaken and that I was right in the depiction of $1.000.000.000,00 meaning One billion US-currency and that it was a mere absurd thing to say that it was a mere $1.00 US currency.

 

In financial and money terms 1.000.000.000,00 and 1,000,000,000.00 have the same meaning and weight/amount but our ignorant Ngonge wouldn’t know that.

 

I will simply show and highlight to him in all simplicity that 1.000.000.000,00 indeed means a billion in money terms seeing from the table and the billions that are traded in the Luxembourg stock exchange.

 

Let’s see what the table below says (Table is depicting figures from the Luxembourg Stock exchange):

 

- Which bonds has Repsol YPF issued in the last few years?

 

 

Repsol YPFs bond issues are as follow:

BONDS ISSUED BY REPSOL INTERNATIONAL FINANCE BV Bond Issue date Maturity Nominal amount Market where it trades REP 7,00% 27/Jul/1995 01/Aug/2005 USD$ 300.000.000,00 Registrados en la S.E.C. REP 7,45% 17/Jul/2000 15/Jul/2005 USD$ 1.250.000.000,00 Registrados en la S.E.C. FRN eur+100 p.b. 28/May/2003 28/May/2006 Eur 150.000.000,00 The Luxembourg Stock Exchange REP 5,75% 04/Dec/2001 04/Dec/2006 Eur 750.000.000,00 The Luxembourg Stock Exchange REP 6,00% 05/May/2000 05/May/2010 Eur 1.000.000.000,00 The Luxembourg Stock Exchange REP 6,00% (*) 21/Jun/2001 05/May/2010 Eur 175.000.000,00 The Luxembourg Stock Exchange REP 5,00% 22/Jul/2003 22/Jul/2013 Eur 1.000.000.000,00 The Luxembourg Stock Exchange REP 4,625% 08/Oct/2004 08/Oct/2014 Eur 1.000.000.000,00 The Luxembourg Stock Exchange (*) The Rep 6,00% bond issue was increased by an additional Eur 100mn and is fungible with the existing Eur 1 billion issue.

 

If we look at the nominal amount of the table we get to realise that the following amount or sum of USD$ 1.250.000.000,00 is a billion indeed, however for our Ngonge it’s a little bit over one USD.

 

Sure he will explain to the gallery here that he still stands by his ludicrous claim.

 

However I will take the opportunity into educating him about how sums such as the above amount are depicted in financial terms and what they represent or stand for, so kindly bear with me.

 

1. There are four ways in which sums can be depicted in different writing styles in financial terms. One can use a dot or even a comma to use as a decimal separator.

 

For example in financial terms the following have the same meaning and amount:

 

1.$1.250.000.000,00 (as written in the table indeed means one billion and two-hundred and fifty millions or 1.25 billion)! Can also be written 1.250.000.000

 

However

 

2. 1,250,000,000.00 also means the same as the above. Can also be written 1,250,000,000

 

3. 1 250 000 000,00 also means the same as the above.

 

4. 1 250 000 000.00 also means the same as the above.

 

All the figures/sums/amounts above are ‘billions'. But the brother still maintains the following and I quote:

 

Originally by Ngonge: Northerner was correct in asking you if what you wrote meant $1.00 (note the place of the radix point).

Ha ha, don’t make me laugh adeer. Now would you be kind enough to tell the gallery here that the amount traded at the Luxembourg stock exchange of 1.250.000.000,00 is indeed anything else than a billion as you like us to believe and so whole-heartedly and foolshly believe and claim?

 

And please don’t hide again or try to divert the issue.

 

You’ve been found out to be quite a comical charlatan that talked of things that he didn’t know about. Although I gave him a helping hand but still he maintains in his latest posts the same lameness and I can see him getting even more desperate and lamer as he goes on.

 

I gave him concrete evidence but unfortunately for him he could not deal with it very effectively or no-where near enough my satisfication.

 

1.000.000.000,00 indeed means One billion US dollars and that what I said in my first post and all along. One billion US = 1,000,000,000 = 1.000.000.000 essentially has the same meaning and amount, but Ngonge disputes that as it is for him a mere one US dollar.

 

 

Don’t forget:

 

1.000.000.000 = 1000 millions = 1 billion

 

^It might come useful one day. Lol

 

That’s from a UK Trading site that specialises in technology trade. The following is noted:

 

 

‘When client trades on the Interbank account with Dukascopy, the standard commission of USD 30 per one million USD traded is charged. Commissions are partially reimbursed based on the traders’ monthly volume.

Managed Accounts will be charged an additional 20 USD per 1 mio USD traded for accounting and compliance responsibilities.

Example: The total volume traded during the month of June equals to 2.500.000.000 (2.5 Billion), the commission will be charged as follows: 30 USD for the first 1.000.000.000 (1 billion), followed by 25 USD commissions charged for the volume between 1.000.000.000 and 2.000.000.000 (1 billion and 2 billion) and finally 20 USD per one million USD traded for the remaining 500.000.000 (500 million).’

 

Source:

Dukascopy Trading Technology, are they owned by MKA is the big question?

 

What did I say, 1.000.000.000 indeed means a billion even the experts know it but our Ngonge needs a lot of vetting from my behalf from now on in order to school him and bring some knowledge into him and to educate him that 1.000.000.000 does not mean a mere $1.00 Dollar as he likes to think.

 

I will leave it there inshallah as enough damage has been already done.

 

I doubt you will be able to recover from this one.

[STOIC]

DO I see Ngonge Pick pocketing MKA Yonis

[Fiqikhayre]

^No, I see a man believing that $1.000.000.000 (One billion USD) being $1.00 (One US-Dollar) and another man supporting him in that ludicrous and absurd belief and claim.

 

Remember stoic:

 

1.000.000.000 = 1000 millions = 1 billion

 

BTW would you mind sharing with the gallery here what is on discussion?

 

I hardly doubt it, that you're even aware or alert enough what is being discussed here and I don't mean it in a bad way, but you're not in my league.

 

p.s. take your comic depiction to where they belong to e.g. to the dustbin of history. Don't be mad at me.

[N.O.R.F]

It was obviouse from your initial post you wanted someone to raise the issue of how figures should be written hence why you wrote 1.000.000.000,00 instead of a simple $1 billion which is how it should be represented when in amongst written text.

 

I raised it just to see your reaction

 

I work with people in Thailand, Indonesia, USA, Sudan, Iraq and they all use the same system as i do. The majority use the system this system.

[Fiqikhayre]

^I don't comment on my intentions, nice try Northerner.

 

If it was delibrate or not it was raised and I don't know if my wish came true or not.

 

I hope that you figure out by yourself anyway what I meant with the above statement.

 

May I add, 'Have a nice day Northerner'.

 

p.s. Would you and Ngonge mind sending the gallery in here a check of the following sum/amount of $1.000.000.000,00 USD, you know it is only a dollar, you can afford it to drop such a sum, not?

[N.O.R.F]

Its night time here

 

ps when you get a job, dont write 1.000.000.000,00. You will be shown the door pretty sharpish

 

pps its 'cheque' in most parts of the world

[Fiqikhayre]

^I wouldn't be shown the door at Dukascopy which is a UK based company that trades in technology, check out their site inshallah. A little browsing wouldn't harm at all.

 

BTW I use both check and cheque, one is american and the other is a UK spelling-term for the same 'check'. But I'd like to believe that check is more promiment than its british counterpart, which is only used in the British Isles and Commonwealth.

 

Anyhow I use both and understand both like I use both written formats to depict/represent numbers. I also use a dot and comma as they're both equal as decimal separators.

 

So there's nothing wrong with writing check or cheque both are legitimate and correct but you guys wouldn't know that. You have got a rigid mind and I would advice both of you, you and Ngonge to widen your horizons a little bit inshallah and take MKA as your teacher.

 

It's all correct, whether you use check or cheque as they're both correct and interchangeable for me.

[N.O.R.F]

BTW I use both check and cheque, one is american and the other is a UK spelling-term for the same 'check'. But I'd like to believe that check is more promiment than its british counterpart, which is

only

used

in the

British Isles and

Commonwealth

.

 

How many countries does that make up as opposed to North American countries? :confused:

 

ps do not use check at the UK firm you mentioned

[Fiqikhayre]

I shall use it Northerner but I should write check/cheque to emphasise inshallah.

 

However as we have moved on to spellings now and the difference in how some words are spelled differently in the US and British English, I have always wondered why the british spell metre (meter in the US) for units of measurements whilst they use the spelling of 'meter' for measuring instruments, which I interpret as lack of uniqueness and confusing maybe I'm wrong, I don't know why, maybe you can further enlighten us on that matter and issue as I've always been interested in solving it, but to no avail and success.

 

Northerner that is unchartered territory by me and if you could solve it, you would make a dream come true. So don't disappoint me with your answer!

 

p.s. I don't want to put you on the spotlight because as a brit I think that you might know the answer, maybe you and Ngonge could do a bit of research together and then forward your results to me.

 

You can fax me whilst quoting MKA Research Paper bureau on the difference of 'use' of 'metre' for units of measurements and 'use' of 'meter' for measuring instrumetens which emphasises confusion and a 'lack' of uniquness in the british sense, on the following number:

 

00442074859430.

 

Thank you in advance. It is really appreciated but I would hope that you expand your rigid mind a little bit, in order for this time to make sense and bring about effective results, that can be displayed in a respectable forum such as SOL and which will be approved by such excellent and respectable research body/bureau/center for excellency in scholarship, MKA Institute and Forum for Research (MIFR).

 

I shall grant you $1.000.000.000,00 USD in paper money inshallah to help you with your research and the academic paper that you're going to submitt inshallah, which will undergo the harshest scrutiny by the master of scholarily and academic excellence himself, MKA Yoonis.

 

Thank you, you can sit yourselves down now.