What next Ayan? - Well, I wanna be a neocon!

[Caano Geel]

Originally posted by sheherazade:

So long as the cushion has pins in it, mate.

lol, love that gracious spirit girl..

[Castro]

Are you wondering why all the emotion, good Valenteenah? I'm sure you have a guess and I'd love to hear it.

 

Viking,

 

Lying about Somalis having honor killings is nothing compared to actually killing Somalis with impunity.

 

Originally posted by WaTerLily:

Meanwhile, I'm just enjoying the world crashing around her

If our most delicate WaTerLilly is getting a hard on from this, may the Lord have mercy on all our souls.

[Cara.]

Let's just hope she doesn't die. Somalis are only unified by their hatred of this woman. If a bus does squelch her, we'd have to hold our tongues and then where will we be?

[sheherazade]

She's worse off alive now that she's being abandoned.

[Castro]

^ Yac.

 

A Critic of Muslim Intolerance Faces Loss of Dutch Citizenship

By MARLISE SIMONS

May 16, 2006

 

PARIS, May 15 — The Dutch government on Monday abruptly threatened to revoke the citizenship of one of the country's most prominent members of Parliament, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a Somali-born woman who arrived as a refugee 14 years ago.

 

The minister of immigration, Rita Verdonk, said Ms. Hirsi Ali had provided inaccurate information when applying for political asylum in 1992 and seeking Dutch citizenship in 1997. As a result, the minister said, both applications were invalid. Ms. Hirsi Ali has been given six weeks to respond.

 

The move is likely to provoke a widespread reaction because Ms. Hirsi Ali, 36, has faced repeated death threats since 2002, when she became well known because of her outspoken criticism of conservative Islam and of the mistreatment of Muslim women, even in The Netherlands.

 

She was the writer of a short television documentary on violence against Muslim women made by the filmmaker Theo van Gogh, who was murdered in an Amsterdam street in 2004 by a Dutch-Moroccan who said his victim had insulted Islam. The killer pinned a note to the body of Mr. van Gogh saying that Ms. Hirsi Ali would be next.

 

Long before Mr. van Gogh's death, Ms. Hirsi Ali had been provided with full-time bodyguards by the Dutch government and had been living in a series of safe houses. Despite that, she continued speaking and writing on abuse of women in Islam and her view that the religion promotes intolerance.

 

"I'm speechless," Ms. Hirsi Ali said in a telephone interview from The Hague after she had received a call from Ms. Verdonk on Monday night. . Ms. Hirsi Ali said she considered the move to take away her citizenship, leaving her stateless, as an attempt to silence her. "I have been fully committed to my work in Parliament, and I have taken many risks," she said. "This will make others think harder before they speak out."

 

She said she was baffled by the unexpected uproar over her asylum procedure because she had told the story numerous times in interviews and in her own essays about how she changed her last name from Magan to Ali and changed her date of birth when she arrived in the Netherlands at age 22, escaping from an arranged marriage.

 

She tried to hide at first "in case my father or my brother or my husband looked for me with bad intentions," she said. "I'm now being picked on for lying, but I have admitted this for years." She said she discussed the matter with the leaders of the conservative political party VVD when they invited her to run for Parliament.

 

Her difficulty began over the weekend after a television documentary retraced her steps and she once more said on camera that she had changed some facts on arriving in The Netherlands.

 

As elections approach, the debate about immigration in The Netherlands has become increasingly tense, with Ms. Verdonk taking an ever harder line and recently expelling would-be immigrants who failed to meet the criteria for political asylum. Ms. Hirsi Ali has also come under criticism. Opponents say she has polarized the immigration debate, and some have called for her to be deported.

 

She said she would resign from Parliament on Tuesday and speed up her intended departure for the United States, where she has applied for a job at the American Enterprise Institute. She had intended to serve out her mandate, she said. But in April she was notified that she would have to vacate her secure government apartment because her neighbors won a lawsuit complaining that her presence exposed them to risk.

[Castro]

Lying on an asylum application would have 100% of citizenships of Somalis living abroad revoked.

[Viking]

Originally posted by Castro:

Viking,

Lying about Somalis having honor killings is nothing compared to actually killing Somalis with impunity.

Where did this come from sxb? I was simply trying to correct THE EMPEROR who said "it's the duty of a somali woman that she kills ayaan hirsi" that this is not justified in Islam. You claimed it would be with a fatwa which is also wrong.

 

As you say, killing is more serious than lying, and, what you don't need a fatwa for is getting rid of the warlords who are making life a living hell for millions of Somalis.

[Castro]

^ We're on the same page. And one could argue she's left the fold of Islam then turned around to bad-mouth the prophet (pbuh) and therefore is eligible for death.

 

As with our other misplaced priorities, we get all hot and bothered about AHA when just last week 150 people were killed, hundreds more wounded and close to 200,000 people were displaced or otherwise affected.

 

So let me restate my point for those who're still unclear, AHA is not the demon that's haunting us. If you look really close, she's quite literally the very least of our problems.

[sheherazade]

^yeah, karma's on to her. Lets kick back and watch.

[Khayr]

Originally posted by Viking:

As you say, killing is more serious than lying, and, what you don't need a fatwa for is getting rid of the warlords who are making life a living hell for millions of Somalis.

Malik related to me that Safwan ibn Sulaym said, "The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, was asked, 'Can a believer be a coward?' He said, 'Yes.' He was asked, 'Can a believer be a miser?' He replied, 'Yes.' He was asked, 'Can a believer be a liar?' He said, 'No.

From Imam Malik's Muwatta

Castro,

 

The killings in xamar are not realities for some of us. It might be sad but it is true as we are thousands of miles from that part of the world and are not bombardered with daily gruesome images of those killings.

 

However, with Ayan the Mulheeda, its a different story because she is a symbol of Embarassement to the larger Somali community and has committed the grave sin of making a life out of Mocking our Deen. It is the Deen that unites somalis at the end of the day. Thats what we have most in common and it is our uniting factor. When someone tries to chip away at that and get their 'expense accounts' paid for, as a result of it, it becomes a different story. We then have a right, an obligation as people of this Ummah - to speak on it.

[Gabbal]

I have not confirmed it but I have been led to believe that she has made it harder for deserving Somalis to enter the Netherlands. That she willfully exposes the international Somali routines in immigration/asylum. That she has also used that routine and is now getting booted because of it is a most excellent turnout I say.

 

Xaqu Islaamku kaama haro.

 

 

Castro as always my friend, you are a chameleon. We will berate her and the warlords. We do not need to choose one and each so stop being a flimsy apologist and a not-so-clever chameleon.

[Castro]

^ Admit it. You just love me.

[Castro]

Originally posted by Khayr:

The killings in xamar are not realities for some of us. It might be sad but it is true as we are thousands of miles from that part of the world and are not bombardered with daily gruesome images of those killings.

 

However, with Ayan the Mulheeda, its a different story because she is a symbol of Embarassement to the larger Somali community and has committed the grave sin of making a life out of Mocking our Deen.

Far away killings, embarrassment? Far away killings, embarrassment? Tough choices, eh, good Khayr?

[Maf Kees]

Castro, Shaydaan Hirsi Ali/Magan?!? is likely coming to a place near you. Prepare yourself!

 

Have you watched her press conference? Bisinka, she was reciting her abtiris. I was like what the ...? And than ends with: he was the founder of my tribe and came from Arabia. Great, a hypocritical atheïst and a delusional qabiilist! We demonstrated against the decision to deport 26.000 people to their countries of origin in Amsterdam. Where was she? Busy making films to attack Muslims on our tax money!

 

I think we talked enough about her. I agree, the worst war since 10 years in Somalia deserves all this attention. Not some sad bimbo.

[-Lily-]

What most of you seem to be missing, the Muslim majority of you that is, is that this woman is an enemy of Islam and an enemy of God.

 

If you are a true believer you would not even be making up excuses for her. The simple fact is, true believers hate those who are against their Lord and are always ready to defend their faith. Now it's almost a problem for you to even say she deserves what she gets or that she is wrong. Nobody is talking of killing her here but even condemning her is suddenly hard. I'm tired of apologetic Muslims and those believers who are always on the verge of doubt. 'Allah will defend his faith', what an excuse to hide behind!