What next Ayan? - Well, I wanna be a neocon!

[Jacpher]

Ayan befriended with a tiger and the tiger needs food now.

 

SB, What goes around, comes around. It's your turn now. Be brave and turn in your application.

[-Serenity-]

SB is nothing like Ayan Hirsi.. he is just a rebel without a cause and a clue... 99% of the time. Real funny the rest 1%.

[Socod_badne]

Originally posted by Amelia:

SB

is nothing like Ayan Hirsi.. he is just a rebel without a cause and a clue... 99% of the time. Real funny the rest 1%.

Give me time dear, I'm only 65 yrs young. I need time to hone my skills.

 

 

Jimcaale,

 

I feel uneasy, protective anytime I see men (or women) blood lusting for a woman, especially somali woman... very unsomali, very asiatic (in line with the whole business of honour killings).

[Nephissa]

I think it's silly when grown adults talk about Ayan Hirsi as if they knew her, as if by watching her on TV they suddenly know everything about her. Ordaya shaqo yeesha. :rolleyes:

[Castro]

^ Haye awoowe.

 

Jimcaale, atheer all my marbles are still there, I hope. So AHA is a liar and an enemy of Islam who fell on her own sword. A small victory? Justice served? Islam is vindicated? Karma is an Ayaan? Where's the piñata, let's party? We all react differently to different events, atheer. To work up a hate feeding frenzy in this thread is what I asked others to avoid. To accuse people of being faithless Ayaan-lovers is asinine. But there's a lesson to be learnt here: those who get into the business of insulting the faith and cultures of others should have a squeaky clean closet.

 

Bada bim bada bum.

[Jacpher]

Atheer you seem to be very confused.

 

I’m sure you’re aware Islam strongly discourages revenge. It emphasizes praying for guidance. A true Muslim character would not seek revenge but would choose forgiveness instead. That’s why you saw “Alle ha noo hanuuniyo.†in my last post.

 

If not all, the majority of the replies are certainly not wishing death or about hatred. They’re rather expressing outrage of her behavior. No one is calling a fatwa on her. No one with a clear mind would do that and certainly SOL wouldn’t allow the site be utilized as such. After all, Ayan’s political career in the Netherlands has come to an end, not her life.

 

I don’t know how you concluded this thread to be a hate feeding frenzy one. You may disagree but I think Sangub & Ali Samatar threads were much closer to that description.

[Castro]

Originally posted by Jimcaale:

Atheer you seem to be very confused.

That's ok atheer. We can't all have the clarity with which you see the world. And I don't disagree; the threads on the (accused) child molester and the (born again) war criminal were indeed feeding frenzies. Should they not have been? Wait, don't answer that. It's a rhetorical question.

[rudy-Diiriye]

goodbye Ayan!

 

Though I never knew you at all

You had the grace to hold yourself

While those around you crawled

 

They crawled out of the woodwork

And they whispered into your brain

They set you on a Dutch treadmill

And they made you change your name

 

And it seems to me you lived your life

Like a candle in the wind

Never knowing who to cling to

When the rain set in

And I would have liked to have known you

But I am just a refugee

The candle burned out long before

Your legend ever did!!

 

Loneliness was tough

The toughest role you ever played

u even went dutch on last supper!!

Dispora created a superstar

And pain was the price you paid

 

Even when you told the truth

Oh the press still hounded you

All the papers had to say

Was that Ayn lied never knowing how

much u suffered without your country n loved ones

 

And it seems to me you lived your life

Like a candle in the wind

Never knowing who to cling to

When the rain set in

Well I would have liked to have known you

But I am just a refugee worst than a dutch clown

 

your candle will burn longer than any dutch

candle will ever burn!!

[Simple_Nomad]

Hirsi Ali 'out of place at AEI'

Researcher Peter van Ham of the Clingendael Institute said Ayaan Hirsi Ali will be out of place at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI). "You would sooner expect Geert Wilders to be there than Hirsi Ali," he said in reaction to the news she is leaving the Netherlands to work for the AEI. According to Van Ham the AEI is a very conservative institute that has flourished since President George W. Bush came to power. "It is definitely not a liberal bastion," he said. Hirsi Ali, he predicted, will not be encouraged to express liberal views about euthanasia, homosexuality and abortion. "The people who work there have a very religiously-tinted worldview. I think Hirsi Ali will feel totally claustrophobic there."

[-Lily-]

Castro,

 

First of all I mentioned no names, perhaps you felt like you were being addressed because it hit home for you. It is not optional but a must to hate what is hated by Allah.

 

Second of all, I was going with the general atmosphere here. What I meant by excuses is that, what has AH got to do with warlords? Or mass murderers? Or even saying every Asylum Seeker lies on their application? These may be facts and we are not unaware of them but why the comparison? Is that not an attempt to reduce the gravity of her crime against God and Somalis? And yes, she has affected Somalis by making it harder for them to immigrate to the Netherlands. She supports a party that makes life harder for all immigrants; again, what kind of an immigrant, regardless of citizenship, supports a hard line anti-immigration party? And yes, I am more disgusted because she is Somali, just as other things that happen to Somalis concern me.

 

Thirdly, I am glad my views are shared by millions, and I am not here to please you. I reserve the right to be glad that things are going bad for her.I stand by my convictions and comments, even if they appear ‘unfashionable’. Its opinions, no one is force fed.

 

Enough said on the woman.

[Valenteenah.]

Originally posted by WaTerLily:

Enough said on the woman.

I gladly second that. Waa lagu waashay qofta ( grammatically incorrect?).

[Haashim]

This is her RESIGNITION's Press release.

 

 

Tweede-Kamerfractie / Persverklaring Ayaan Hirsi Ali (Engels)

 

door Ayaan Hirsi Ali

 

I came to Holland in the summer of 1992 because I wanted to be able to determine my own future. I didn’t want to be forced into a destiny that other people had chosen for me, so I opted for the protection of the rule of law. Here in Holland, I found freedom and opportunities, and I took those opportunities to speak out against religious terror.

In January 2003, at the invitation of the VVD party, I became a member of parliament. I accepted the VVD’s invitation on the condition that I would be the party’s spokesman for the emancipation of women and the integration of immigrants.

What exactly did I want to achieve?

First of all I wanted to put the oppression of immigrant women -- especially Muslim women – squarely on the Dutch political agenda. Second, I wanted Holland to pay attention to the specific cultural and religious issues that were holding back many ethnic minorities, instead of always taking a one-sided approach that focused only on their socio-economic circumstances. Lastly, I wanted politicians to grasp the fact that major aspects of Islamic doctrine and tradition, as practiced today, are incompatible with the open society.

Now I have to ask myself, have I accomplished that task?

I have stumbled often in my political career. It has sometimes been frustrating and slow. However, I am completely certain that I have, in my own way, succeeded in contributing to the debate. Issues related to Islam – such as impediments to free speech; refusal of the separation of Church and State; widespread domestic violence; honor killings; the repudiation of wives; and Islam’s failure to condemn genital mutilation -- these subjects can no longer be swept under the carpet in our country’s capital. Some of the measures that this government has begun taking give me satisfaction. Many illusions of how easy it will be to establish a multicultural society have disappeared forever. We are now more realistic and more open in this debate, and I am proud to have contributed to that process.

Meanwhile, the ideas which I espouse have begun spreading to other countries. In recent years I have given speeches and attended debates in many European countries and in the United States. For months now, I have felt that I needed to make a decision: should I go on in Dutch politics, or should I now transfer my ideas to an international forum?

In the fall of 2005 I told Gerrit Zalm and Jozias van Aartsen, the leaders of the VVD, that I would not be a candidate for the parliamentary elections in 2007. I had decided to opt for a more international platform, because I wanted to contribute to the international debate on the emancipation of Muslim women and the complex relationship between Islam and the West.

Now that I am announcing that I will resign from Dutch politics, I would like to thank the members of the VVD for my years in parliament – to thank them for inviting me to stand for parliament, and -- perhaps more importantly -- for putting up with me while I was there, for this has been in many ways a rough ride for us all. I want to thank my other colleagues here in parliament for their help, although some of our debates have been sharp. (Femke Halsema, thank you especially for that!). I would also like to thank the 30,758 people who in January 2003 trusted their preference vote to a newcomer.

But why am I not remaining in parliament for my full term, until next year’s election? Why, after only three and a half years, have I decided to resign from the Lower Chamber?

It is common knowledge that threats against my life began building up ever since I first talked about Islam publicly, in the spring of 2002. Months before I even entered politics, my freedom of movement was greatly curtailed, and that became worse after Theo van Gogh was murdered in 2004. I have been obliged to move house so many times I have lost count. The direct cause for the ending of my membership in parliament is that on April 27 of this year, a Dutch court ruled that I must once again leave my home, because my neighbors filed a complaint that they could not feel safe living next to me. The Dutch government will appeal this verdict and I grateful for that, because how on earth will other people whose lives are threatened manage to find a place to stay if this verdict is allowed to rest? However, this appeal does not alter my situation: I have to leave my apartment by the end of August.

Another reason for my departure is the discussion that has arisen from a TV program, The Holy Ayaan, which was aired on May 11. This program centered on two issues: the story that I told when I was applying for asylum here in Holland, and questions about my forced marriage.

I have been very open about the fact that when I applied for asylum in the Netherlands in 1992, I did so under a false name and with a fabricated story. In 2002, I spoke on national television about the conditions of my arrival, and I said then that I fabricated a story in order to be able to receive asylum here. Since that TV program I have repeated this dozens of times, in Dutch and international media. Many times I have truthfully named my father and given my correct date of birth. (You will find a selection of these articles in the press folder). I also informed the VVD leadership and members of this fact when I was invited to stand for parliament.

I have said many times that I am not proud that I lied when I sought asylum in the Netherlands. It was wrong to do so. I did it because I felt I had no choice. I was frightened that if I simply said I was fleeing a forced marriage, I would be sent back to my family. And I was frightened that if I gave my real name, my clan would hunt me down and find me. So I chose a name that I thought I could disappear with – the real name of my grandfather, who was given the birth-name Ali. I claimed that my name was Ayaan Hirsi Ali, although I should have said it was Ayaan Hirsi Magan.

You probably are wondering, what is my real name?

I am Ayaan, the daughter of Hirsi, who is the son of a man who took the name of Magan. Magan was the son of Isse, who was the son of Guleid, who was the son of Ali. He was the son of Wai’ays, who was the son of Muhammad. He was the son of Ali, who was the son of Umar. Umar was the son of Osman, who was the son of Mahamud. This is my clan, and therefore, in Somalia, this is my name: Ayaan Hirsi Magan Isse Guleid Ali Wai’ays Muhammad Ali Umar Osman Mahamud.

Following the May 11 television broadcast, legal questions have been raised about my naturalization as a Dutch citizen. Minister Verdonk has written to me saying that my passport will be annulled, because it was issued to a person who does not hold my real name. I am not at liberty to discuss the legal issues in this case.

 

Now for the questions about my forced marriage. Last week’s TV program cast doubt on my credibility in that respect, and the final conclusion of the documentary is that all this is terribly complicated. Let me tell you, it’s not so complex. The allegations that I willingly married my distant cousin, and was present at the wedding ceremony, are simply untrue. This man arrived in Nairobi from Canada, asked my father for one of his five daughters, and my father gave him me. I can assure you my father is not a man who takes no for an answer. Still, I refused to attend the formal ceremony, and I was married regardless. Then, on my way to Canada -- during a stopover in Germany -- I traveled to the Netherlands and asked for asylum here. In all simplicity this is what happened, nothing more and nothing less. For those who are interested in the intimate details of my transition from a pre-modern society to a modern one, and how I came to love what the West stands for, please read my memoir, which is due to be published this fall. To return to the present day, may I say that it is difficult to live with so many threats on your life and such a level of police protection. It is difficult to work as a parliamentarian if you have nowhere to live. All that is difficult, but not impossible. It has become impossible since last night, when Minister Verdonk informed me that she would strip me of my Dutch citizenship.

I am therefore preparing to leave Holland. But the questions for our society remain. The future of Islam in our country; the subjugation of women in Islamic culture; the integration of the many Muslims in the West: it is self-deceit to imagine that these issues will disappear.

I will continue to ask uncomfortable questions, despite the obvious resistance that they elicit. I feel that I should help other people to live in freedom, as many people have helped me. I personally have gone through a long and sometimes painful process of personal growth in this country. It began with learning to tell the truth to myself, and then the truth about myself: I strive now to also tell the truth about society as I see it.

That transition from becoming a member of a clan to becoming a citizen in an open society is what public service has come to mean for me. Only clear thinking and strong action can lead to real change, and free many people within our society from the mental cage of submission. The idea that I can contribute to their freedom, whether in the Netherlands or in another country, gives me deep satisfaction.

Ladies and Gentlemen, as of today, I resign from Parliament. I regret that I will be leaving the Netherlands, the country which has given me so many opportunities and enriched my life, but I am glad that I will be able to continue my work. I will go on. END.

 

 

Now for the questions about my forced marriage. Last week’s TV program cast doubt on my credibility in that respect, and the final conclusion of the documentary is that all this is terribly complicated. Let me tell you, it’s not so complex. The allegations that I willingly married my distant cousin, and was present at the wedding ceremony, are simply untrue. This man arrived in Nairobi from Canada, asked my father for one of his five daughters, and my father gave him me. I can assure you my father is not a man who takes no for an answer. Still, I refused to attend the formal ceremony, and I was married regardless. Then, on my way to Canada -- during a stopover in Germany -- I traveled to the Netherlands and asked for asylum here. In all simplicity this is what happened, nothing more and nothing less.

 

 

Well, don't you think that the time has come that her FATHER to speak out and tell the TRUTH?

[Simple_Nomad]

QUOTE]Originally posted by muraad:

[QB] This is her RESIGNITION's Press release.

 

 

Tweede-Kamerfractie / Persverklaring Ayaan Hirsi Ali (Engels)

 

door Ayaan Hirsi Ali

. Issues related to Islam – such as impediments to free speech; refusal of the separation of Church and State; widespread domestic violence; honor killings; the repudiation of wives; and Islam’s failure to condemn genital mutilation -- marriage.

 

There is widespread domestic violence of women in western europe I dont have the figures but i think it could be one of the highest causes of womens deaths in europe.Secondly genital mutilation was practiced in somalia way before islam. Infact it still goes on many african societies. Lastly honor killings is not specific to islam. As somebody already correctly pointed this is largely an "asiatic" influence. If ayan was serious about debating with the islamic public. She has gone about it in the completly wrong way. Reinforcing negative stereotypes.Which serve no benefit, but to only widen the mistrust and alientaion of muslim communities within their hosts. People are going on hunger strikes at the moment india. Because the government is introducing legislation to enforce affirmative action for the lower castes. Whom in hindu society ahve been persecuted for thousands of years. Why isn't the hindu holy book being taken to court? Or all hindus portrayed as rascists? This is the problem, if a muslim critisizes a the jewish religion or the christian doctrine. He is treated with suspicion or labelled "anti semetic".For people who crusade on about tolerance and respect. It is a great irony that they should be attacking millions of peoples beliefs! You cannot expect them to welcome you with open arms.When slander misrepresent something which is sacred to them and tell them "hey guys i have come to liberate you"

[Faarax-Brawn]

Ku:Ayan Magan

Ka:Faarax Brown

 

 

Salan hoose walashis.

 

Walaal waxan kaa daawaday telefishanka mareekanka ee CBS, barnaamijka la dhaho "lixdin daqiiqo" ama ku magac dheer 60Minutes .[please dont say i dont remember,koleyba beenley baa tahaye]. Maalintaas ayuu ku weeydiye wariyaha morely safer suaalo badan oo ka mid ah diinta iyo sababtaad ugu baxday. Badina dadka waxey sheegan wax maskax galayo oo xoogaha philosophical ah. Most try to be ambigious and just change the topic.laakin adiga waad iga yaabisay.Maalintaas ka hor weligey kuma arag oo kuma maqal,i was willing to listen to you and waxaad sheegeyso laakin dhiiqo aa dhex fadhiisatay. And this is what shocked me ;ah waxaad tidhi & i quote you,rather from the episode islaan yahay:

 

"She is seen as a traitor to Islam, the faith she rejected as a very young woman. Hirsi Ali says her rejection of Islam started at an early age: "From the time I started reading novels of Nancy Drew and Hardy Boys, I wanted to be like Nancy Drew."

 

Aniga waan akhristay the hardy boys series.Hadaan soo xasuusta,sheekada waxey khuseysay ciyaal investigation kujira,maya? who try in ee qabtaan tuugo iyo ciyaal suuq kale.Marka waxaan la yaabay maxaa isku keenay diinta iyo ciyaal kuni kuni xun oo tuuga bursanayo somewhere in America? and how did these books exactly make you reject islam.

 

Bal igala soo xariir[one page double spaced,please] cinwaanakaan: Faarax-Brown@hotmail.com

 

Btw,yesterday at your press conference,i catched you on the bbc,you look changed nooh.Maxaa dhacay? Solitary confinement saas mee dadka ugashaa? You may wanna try botox,qofyahay goomankaada are becoming more visible and pretty soon your eyes will not be visible. I mean you dont wanna come to America looking like that.The tabloids,late night comedians and bloggers are really harsh on ugly celebs.

[Sharmarkee]

Salaam,

 

Well, don't you think that the time has come that her FATHER to speak out and tell the TRUTH?

 

Well the time has come to leave her alone and leave it there!

 

Well, don't you think that the time has come that her FATHER to speak out and tell the TRUTH?

 

Well the time has come to leave her alone and leave it there!

 

I love Imam Shafia's stanza not to badmouth, and vylifie, and insult people and their believes, steer clear out of that and you will be rich and have a peace of mind in return, if you follow his advice which is infact is the Propet of mercy sunan and ways fo doings.

 

أن أردت ان تحي كريم٠ورزقك موÙوراٌ وعرضك زين٫

لسانك لا تذكربه عورة امرئ Ùكلك عورات وللناس ألسن

ونÙسك إن أبدت إليك معايباً Ùصنها وقل يا عين للناس أعين

 

Wa Salaam and so long